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@Baldimo,

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When people fail to follow the rules laid down by our socialist masters...

Under democratic socialism the people are the "masters". You still haven't been able to grasp the fact that "socialism" doesn't exclusively refer to a one-size-fits-all Leninist dictatorship.

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...it will indeed turn towards authoritarian rule.

Currently it's rightists who seem most enamored of leadership by a "strongman" . MAGA!

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...the left will have to do away with the Constitution...

That won't be necessary as the document can be amended. If you'd read any Daniel De Leon I wouldn't have to be telling you this.

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...socialism has no value for the individual.

Do you really think individuals are devalued in the Scandinavian states?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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I doubt Pol Pot was promising genocide when he first sought political support.

Actually he was. He didn't campaign for office, he and his vanguard party conquered the country by military force.

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What do you expect from the GOP?

I expect anti-intellectual, fear-mongering garbage from the GOP and I'm seldom disappointed. I don't expect much better from the Democrats but I find their policies more to my liking.

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Selective outrage is rampant

Who's "outraged"? We've all seen this before.

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@hightor,

I didn't realize you were such a student of Pol Pot. At some point he like Mao, Lenin, Castro etc had to build a following. Perhaps he did so by promising blood and fire, but I doubt it.

Your post on the ad expressed outrage. Claim it or not. I don't care.

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@hightor,

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Under democratic socialism the people are the "masters".

You just keep telling yourself that little lie, it will comfort you later when **** hits the fan and people refuse to give up their businesses and houses.

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You still haven't been able to grasp the fact that "socialism" doesn't exclusively refer to a one-size-fits-all Leninist dictatorship.

You don't follow history to closely do you? It's failed everywhere it's been tried and leaves nothing but death and starvation in it's wake. "We'll do it right this time." is the most common saying of those who support left-wing extremism.

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Currently it's rightists who seem most enamored of leadership by a "strongman" . MAGA!

Strongman? No one is concerned about a strongman, it's the idiots who follow the socialist ideals who scare me. Antifa is nothing but a Communist front.

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That won't be necessary as the document can be amended. If you'd read any Daniel De Leon I wouldn't have to be telling you this.

When you fail to get the required amount of votes to change it, you will get rid of it, just like the left is trying to do with the Electoral College. They can't win Presidential elections by the Constitution, so they feel the need to change it so they can win. The same thing will happen with your so called "democratic socialism", when you don't have the votes.

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Do you really think individuals are devalued in the Scandinavian states?

They aren't socialist states, so your question is pointless. All the places you think are socialist aren't and the places that are you don't think they are. It's topsy turvy world for the leftists, up is down and down is up.

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

Under democratic socialism the people are the "masters". You still haven't been able to grasp the fact that "socialism" doesn't exclusively refer to a one-size-fits-all Leninist dictatorship.

That was supposedly true under Lenin's socialism as well - the "working class" ruled. However it was the party, the "vanguard of the working class" that made all the decisions for them, presumably because only they knew what was truly good for the others. Government rule of any kind, whether democratic socialist or otherwise necessarily involves decisions made by bureaucrats who in almost every case turn out to be venal, self-serving, and ,after sufficient time in office, corrupt. That's why our founders prescribed very severe limitations on the power of government and extensive separations on the powers of the various branches. The bureaucratic administrative state that will inevitably result from the goals of "democratic socialists" will itself become a tyranny.

In either case the people lose the right to decide for themselves just what's good for them.

Frankly I find it somewhat amazing that you are so naively credulous on this rather obvious point.

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U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders
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750 in Texas, 320 in Arizona, 214 in Georgia, 126 in Louisiana, 96 in Mississippi, and 72 in Alabama.

More than 1600 polling sites have closed since the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act. The Republicans who are suppressing the vote are terrified of how we could transform this country when millions more Americans are allowed to participate in our democracy. Well here is what I have to say about that: They are cowards. Colleagues of mine who are too afraid to face free and fair elections should get the hell out of this line of work.

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@edgarblythe,

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I just went on youtube and searched Hannity. After reading the headlines of a string of Hannity videos I had to ask myself why anyone would wallow in the vileness offered. No thanks. I prefer to remain "ignorant."

A completely understandable response. I don't blame you at all. But we need some of us to monitor what's going out from him and many others in right wing media because their activities have real consequences for America.

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@hightor,

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Here we see the deceitful nature of the Republican political philosophy which reaches all the way back to the time of the McCarthy hearings. This simplistic equation works by insinuating that any reference to "socialism" must mean a totalitarian dictatorship foisted on the hapless citizenry, as if Cambodia under the rule of Pol Pot were the inevitable result of policies like "Medicare for all".

Exactly.

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@edgarblythe,

Good link, Edgar! The worst of the two Koch brothers is still alive, for now. But even when he goes, the systems they have built up will continue functioning because there's so much money and power at stake. I'm not sure how that bell gets unrung.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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At my age, I crave order and security over drugs and illicitly firing guns.

??? Why on earth are you living in the US.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Good link, Edgar! The worst of the two Koch brothers is still alive, for now. But even when he goes, the systems they have built up will continue functioning because there's so much money and power at stake. I'm not sure how that bell gets unrung.

Kochphobia! Rolling Eyes

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@blatham,

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At my age, I crave order and security over drugs and illicitly firing guns.

??? Why on earth are you living in the US.

That's easy...

For now, at least I live an orderly and secure life. That might change if Canadian propagandists have their way, but I think not.

Your question was "Where would you rather live...Sweden or Singapore"

I have a feeling that every time you post what you think is a droll comment here you crack a big smile, pat yourself on the back and then rub your woody.

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@georgeob1,

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Frankly I find it somewhat amazing that you are so naively credulous on this rather obvious point.

georgeob1, you'll have to trust me — I honestly don't believe that the USA is in any danger of turning into a giant gulag. As to bureaucracy, it's a by-product of legislation; it underwrites the "rule of law" we're all so quick to invoke. Good luck maintaining any advanced society without some vast bureaucracy. I don't see bureaucracy as any threat whatsoever and I actually expect to see some aspects of bureaucracy whither and fade as civil administration on the local level becomes increasingly digitized.

georgeob1, no one's really asking for that much. No one's saying we should unilaterally disarm. No one's proposing that the workers should own the means of production. No one's calling for the forfeit of private property. The sort of "socialism" being proposed is about as radical as you might see in Canada, in the welfare states of western Europe, in the Scandinavian countries, and in other advanced countries around the world where government programs have been in place for years without the appearance of the "tyranny" you think is inevitable.

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In spite of #ABC trying hard to silence Bernie, their own poll [%]
1. Bernie 44.7
2. Yang 18
3. Biden 12
4. Warren 8
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All that talk of European and soviet communism - whatever - I no longer read any of it - is just intended to obfuscate the topic of American democratic socialism, which is not even close to the same thing.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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For now, at least I live an orderly and secure life. That might change if Canadian propagandists have their way, but I think not.

Gotcha. And you've evaluated the relative orderliness of a person's life in Texas compared to that of folks in Switzerland and Australia and England and Spain and and and using what metrics, exactly?

As to Canadian propagandists doing Canadian sorts of stuff that would make your life less safe and secure, good point. Why up here, innocents at malls and churches and in elementary schools are slashed and bludgeoned to death by men with hockey sticks at the rate of tens of thousands per year.

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@blatham,

Rubbing that woody are you?

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@Baldimo,

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Do you really think individuals are devalued in the Scandinavian states?

They aren't socialist states, so your question is pointless. All the places you think are socialist aren't and the places that are you don't think they are. It's topsy turvy world for the leftists, up is down and down is up.

When you look up the member list of the Socialist International some might think, you are wrong.

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@edgarblythe,

Strange poll data. Got a link?

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