snood
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 08:36 am
Just contributed to Liz Warren again.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 10:14 am
@Olivier5,
Maybe is the left looked at the problems rationally and offered solutions that could be achieved i might not pick on them. Bernie and some of the others are not going to achieve the things they say. We are too conservative a country. Its going to take a transition president to change us back to a more liberal Roosevelt type government. 40 years of the 1% using their media to condition us has taken its toll. The fact that the majority of u s citizens consider communism and socialism to be equivalent is proof of that.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 10:20 am
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40365483_2093269300691817_2643333585053941760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_eui2=AeHiap_lJNXXm4ZwshBOBTByQIPUufU8wDeweDJozC6PB9a67CFCBn2JKiMyAXBFNd0pCh3N7T4zG6pPviDPkT6KskLTIcFTftWtpCNLLb3XBA&_nc_oc=AQm1pPpi82uvMNoRwFN_ztcOPav0C9h42-gsrdYKiecH1wOvP5L3_g3dL3hVMkNCw_I5lS5eRZx3RtaPfOu_dFdj&_nc_ht=scontent.fhou1-2.fna&oh=239d97c09e8a4fe8772dd21c23c3357d&oe=5DC96071
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 10:21 am
@blatham,
If you want proof of your thoughts about sanders followers go back and read Lashes posts.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 11:28 am
@RABEL222,
Whether Bernie can do everything he wants to do remains to be seen, but a president who tries to help people is better than one who doesn't try. He's honest and earnest. He will do good.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 01:35 pm
@Olivier5,
Judging leaders by their supposed good intentions is not at all a reliable indicator to the good or harm they delivered to those whom they lead.

Examples of earnest, even candid leaders guided by their supposed good intentions for "the people", who instead delivered poverty, misery and tyranny is quite abundant in history
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 02:43 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Just contributed to Liz Warren again.
You fascio-commie-centrist dipshit!
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 02:46 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
He [Sanders] will do good.
He will seek to do good and will, almost certainly, achieve that to some degree. What's not at all clear is whether he will/can do more good than other candidates.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 03:11 pm

Shaun King
@shaunking
· 8h
Every presidential candidate was invited to the largest annual gathering of Muslims in the United States.

Only two agreed.

@BernieSanders & @JulianCastro.

Everybody else declined.

https://politico.com/story/2019/08/30/muslim-leaders-2020-democrats-1479168
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 03:28 pm
@blatham,
The attitude you express here sounds like a close copy of Clinton’s elitist disdain.

I’d think you people would learn that lesson and alter your thinking. Doing the same thing and expecting different results...
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 03:30 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:


Shaun King
@shaunking
· 8h
Every presidential candidate was invited to the largest annual gathering of Muslims in the United States.

Only two agreed.

@BernieSanders & @JulianCastro.

Everybody else declined.

https://politico.com/story/2019/08/30/muslim-leaders-2020-democrats-
1479168

That’s a startling message.

Edit: I was proud as hell that he said he hoped he was endorsed by Omar. Most people would consider her ‘box office poison.’ I think she’s incredibly brave and correct on Israel/ AIPAC.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 05:13 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I think she's incredibly brave and correct on Israel/ AIPAC.

Neonazis are not correct. Neonazis are wrong.

I suppose that it's possible for a neonazi to be brave. The 9/11 hijackers were brave too, to fly themselves into buildings like that.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 06:18 pm
@blatham,
I thought you had said something snarky or disrespectful about Bernie, from the comment after your post.
But when I actually read your post, all you wrote was that it isn’t clear whether Bernie could get more done than another candidate.

Crazy never rests.

edgarblythe
 
  2  
Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 07:13 pm
Sanders campaign demands retraction for erroneous Washington Post articles

http://hellaleft.com/sanders-campaign-demands-retraction-for-erroneous-washington-post-articles/
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sat 31 Aug, 2019 08:58 pm
@snood,
Quote:
it isn’t clear whether Bernie could get more done than another candidate.
Whomever responded is invisible to me. But yes, you have it exactly right.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 01:21 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
He [Sanders] will do good.
He will seek to do good and will, almost certainly, achieve that to some degree. What's not at all clear is whether he will/can do more good than other candidates.

Argument by ignorance? You don't know that others will do more good than him either...

But look at what he did in the last four years: he had a deep impact on the DP and its policies, and many of the other candidates are parroting him. Give him the White House and he will change the nation.

At this point, the choice on the left appears to be between a gifted academic with a good sense of macroeconomics (Warren), a visionary but annoying politician (Sanders) and a slightly senile conservative gentleman (Biden).

That Sanders can do more than Biden is to me self-evident. Look at the diffrrence kn energy between them, and at their respective pedigrees. Whether Sanders can do more than Warren is a more open question. But I think the answer is yes, because he is very good at politics while she's a neophyte.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 01:25 am
@georgeob1,
History will tell you exactly what you want to hear, George. You should know that by now. She tells me Bernie is Roosevelt-grade material.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 01:42 am
@edgarblythe,
Excellent letter, worth quoting in full:

Quote:
Mr. Baron,

I am writing in regards to the Washington Post Fact Checker’s Aug. 28 analysis, headlined: “Sanders’s flawed statistic: 500,000 medical bankruptcies a year.” We demand that the Post immediately issue a retraction and inform its readers of this decision.

The overall premise of the piece is absurd. The Post’s Fact Checker issued Senator Sanders “three pinocchios” for accurately citing a peer-reviewed editorial published in the American Journal of Public Health. The Post even notes that the author of the editorial confirmed that Senator Sanders had accurately cited his work.

As Rolling Stone ​pointed out​:​ “To dole out Pinocchios for a good faith effort to translate public health data into a stump speech is journalistically obtuse.”

Furthermore, the Post’s Fact Checker asserted: “The AJPH editorial did not undergo the same peer-reviewed editing process as a research article.” This is also not true. The Fact Checker has been informed of this error and has thus far refused to correct it.

The AJPH told the author of this editorial: “I have confirmed to the WaPo that your editorial had been peer-reviewed. There has been some confusion here because they approached us with a general question about editorials.” It is inaccurate to claim that the AJPH editorial did not undergo a peer-review, based on a general question from the Post’s Fact Checker about the standard editorial process.

Let’s be clear. The American Journal of Public Health is not the National Enquirer. It is not a supermarket tabloid. It is one of the most widely respected and prestigious medical journals in the country. Senator Sanders accurately cited a statistic that was published in this distinguished public health journal. In what world does this merit one so-called “pinocchio” let alone three? Further, this “three pinocchio” rating isn’t just falsely attacking the veracity of Senator Sanders and misleading the public on one of the most serious problems facing the American people. It is also tarnishing the reputation of the author of the editorial who went to great lengths to have it reviewed by his peers, who believes “your false claim” has “besmirched” his “reputation as a scholar,” and who is also demanding a retraction.

Unfortunately, this latest Fact Checker article is part of a much broader pattern of bias against Senator Sanders.

On ​June 27th​, the Washington Post published a “fact check” story by Glenn Kessler about Senator Sanders correctly stating that “millions of Americans are forced to work two or three jobs just to survive.” Kessler asserted that the claim was “misleading” even though he admitted “​Bureau of Labor Statistics data ​shows​ that nearly ​8 million people​ hold more than one job.” To be clear: 8 million Americans are accurately described by Senator Sanders as “millions of Americans” — and yet Kessler’s false assertion that this statement of fact was “misleading” was never retracted or corrected by the Washington Post.

Similarly, on June 28th, the Washington Post published another “fact check” by Mr. Kessler about Senator Sanders ​correctly​ stating that three people own more wealth than the bottom half of the country. Kessler acknowledged that Senator Sanders’ statement was “based on numbers that add up.” However, he then asserted that because “people in the bottom half have essentially no wealth” the “comparison is not especially meaningful” — which is not merely subjective and tendentious, but also totally inaccurate. The fact that three people own so much wealth while tens of millions have absolutely no wealth is ​especially​ meaningful to working class Americans who are struggling to make ends meet.

These are just a few of the most recent examples of Mr. Kessler’s blatantly obvious bias against Senator Sanders.

The Washington Post says it adheres to the highest journalistic standards of objectivity, fairness and accuracy. If that is the case, why does the Post’s editorial leadership allow the Fact Checker to regularly, baselessly disparage Senator Sanders with smears that are demonstrably inaccurate? And why has the Post’s editorial leadership not corrected or retracted these smears when they are proven false?

We hope that you will address the Fact Checker’s inappropriate coverage of Senator Sanders — first by immediately retracting this most recent piece, and then by committing the newspaper to covering Senator Sanders in a fair, professional and ethical manner that finally starts honoring the most basic standards of accuracy.

We look forward to hearing your immediate response to this request.

Sincerely,

Warren Gunnels
Senior Advisor, Bernie 2020
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 01:48 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
History will tell you exactly what you want to hear, George. You should know that by now. She tells me Bernie is Roosevelt-grade material.

She tells me the same about Trump (thus my prediction of 20 years of Republican rule).
eurocelticyankee
 
  1  
Reply Sun 1 Sep, 2019 02:55 am
@oralloy,
You and your ilk hate Liberalism, with your libtard this and libtard that.

So what do you want totalitarianism, fascism, dictatorship, what do you right wingers want.

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law.

But you don't want any of that.

You express hatred for liberalism, so again what do you want, do you want to turn the West into Russia.

That's what Trump and the Trumpettes want and that's why he loves Putin, Kim Jong-il and all the other hard men dictators.

You lot should be careful what you wish for.
 

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