Lash
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2019 01:39 pm
@revelette1,
If I thought he sold out his votes for pay-offs, I’d hate him as much as I hate the others.

Getting paid a salary for performing a job isn’t at issue. You seem to conflate earning a paycheck in Congress to becoming a multimillionaire by illegally selling influence.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2019 02:01 pm
@Lash,
I was talking about his income from his books, the more popular he gets, the more books he sells the more money he has. he has money from his books and his wife's mutual funds and annuities. Jane Sanders has an advance out now on a book she is writing. He has been generous in his charitable donations, very generous.

Why does it matter to you to point out how wealthy Bernie Sander is? It is not a crime to make money in the United States.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/here-s-how-bernie-sanders-made-his-millions-and-why-it-matters-in-the-2020-election/ar-AABWaAs

https://berniesanders.com/tax-returns/
revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2019 02:10 pm
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It was meant to be part of a social media tribute on Memorial Day weekend.

On Saturday afternoon, the United States Army posted a video on Twitter featuring a scout in fatigues who said his service gave him the opportunity to fight for something greater than himself, making him a better man.

In its next tweet, the Army opened the floor and asked: “How has serving impacted you?”

The post was shared widely and received thousands of responses. But many were probably not what the Army was looking for.

Instead, the call-out provided what some felt was a rare platform to spotlight the darker consequences of military service for soldiers and their families, as tweet after tweet described lifelong health complications, grief over loved ones lost, sexual assaults gone unpunished and struggles with post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.

“The public just doesn’t hear about it,” said Brandon Neely, 38, a former Army specialist who posted about his PTSD. “They don’t hear about the guys, these veterans, that don’t sleep, have night sweats, are irritated. Some guys get really bad anxiety, depression.”

Mr. Neely added, “A lot those people who have bared their soul on that thread have probably never said anything publicly before.”
In one tweet replying to the Army, a man who said he was a Navy veteran described how he had suicidal thoughts everyday.

Another read: “I was assaulted by one of my superiors. When I reported him, with witnesses to corroborate my story, nothing happened to him. Nothing. A year later, he stole a laptop and was then demoted. I’m worth less than a laptop.”



More at: NYT
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2019 02:11 pm
@revelette1,
I think it bothers me because of how much the rest of them have compared to him.

Nobody here ever mentions it.

Further, I’m confident he earned his money honestly, and just as confident that the multimillionaire congress members didn’t.

Makes me mildly surly.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2019 02:32 pm
@Lash,
Fair enough
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2019 02:47 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

However, on the merits there is more than enough to impeach whether the Senate removes Trump from office or not.


The only thing the Dems in the House need to impeach Trump is the will to have a vote. A Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich, and the House can impeach a president for eating one.

You seem to recognize that there is virtually no chance that the Senate would convict Trump on any charges brought by the House and that therefore the process would, entirely, be a political stunt (I suspect, however, that you will reject such a categorization). As a result, they don't need irrefutable evidence of the sort of egregious conduct that would warrant his removal from office, however for the stunt to work in any way, they would have to present a solid case to the American people that he has done something (other than defeating Hillary Clinton) that might cause reasonable people (not just TDS sufferers) to at least contemplate his removal from office.

The people in your camp could find it reasonable to toss him out because he ate a ham sandwich while Hillary gave her concession speech (the un-democratic monster!) but they cannot be the only audience to which Pelosi and her Troupe play (at least not if she has any hope for the process to not blow up in her face). People in the so-called Middle, would, at the very least, have to listen to the arguments made against Trump and think:

"I don't think he went far enough to justify his impeachment, but I can see how some reasonable people might. This isn't just a cynical political stunt"

The Republicans thought they had enough on Clinton to secure, at least, such an outcome in terms of public reaction and, despite your predictable insistence to the contrary, they had more than the Dems now have on Trump. They were wrong, and Pelosi and the party leadership went to school on that mistake. That they have not given the green light on impeachment strongly suggest that contrary to your opinion, they do not believe that on the merits there is more than enough to impeach. They hate Donald Trump and they fervently desire to beat him in 2020 and so if they thought they could satisfy the "reasonable person" test, they would have filed articles of impeachment already. They are not timid rabbits scared silly by the rants of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. Each of them is rock solid for re-election and so they are not motivated either by a fear of losing their seats. Their goals, in order of importance, are

#1: Retain the Dem's control of the House
#2: Win the White House in 2020

They would sacrifice #2 to achieve #1. They will not sacrifice #1 to preserve the seats of the fire-eaters who ran in 2018 on impeaching Trump.

They are more than willing to get down in the dirt and sling whatever rhetorical mud they can come up with about mental instability and criminal cover-ups, because while such tactics might, in the end, turn a significant number of residents of the fabled Middle Kingdom against them it might also prompt Trump to overreact and shoot himself in the foot (Not to mention it's red meat for the far left base). In any case, it isn't even remotely as risky as moving forward with impeachment proceedings.

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For one thing, we would be in position to get the documents the house committees have been trying to get


What makes you think this? The House isn't transformed into Super-Prosecutors with extra-constitutional powers simply because it files articles of impeachment. In addition, you have clearly bought into the absurd wishful thinking that the Holy Grail of the #TrumpResistance lies waiting in the crumbs you haven't been able to consume. Nadler, Schiff and the others leading the Trump Takedown Movement don't really believe this treasure you imagine to be out there actually exists in the minimal redacted portions of the Mueller Report or in Trump's tax returns. The situation reminds me of that ridiculous History Channel show, "The Curse of Oak Island" wherein professional treasure hunters are making an excellent living filming their pathetic and constantly unsuccessful efforts to find some hidden hoard of gold. Whole episodes are based around the discovery of what turns out to be a lead slug roughly the size of a Spanish doubloon. By the time the show finally runs out of steam and viewers, the treasure hunting brothers will have dug up 99% of the island, found no fortune in gold, but will still be insisting that the jackpot lies in wait in the unsearched 1% situated under some trees. While I'm sure the brothers would love to find the gold, they don't need to, to get what they want, and the same is the case with the House committees.

and foremost, it is the right thing to do regardless of politics.

Really? Impeachment is entirely political. It doesn't exist regardless of politics. An exhaustive criminal investigation was conducted by an All-Star team of federal prosecutors and investigators that ended without any Americans indicted for either working with a foreign government to influence the 2016 election or conspiring to do so. Ten specific instances of behavior that might or might not rise to the level of obstruction of justices were highlighted but Special Counsel Mueller concluded his investigation without indicting Trump or recommending he be indicted (either while in office or at the end of his term(s)) for obstruction. Nor did he, as is falsely claimed, conclude that he would have indicted Trump if he was not the President and that the DOJ's policy is that a sitting president can't be indicted. He also didn't conclude that Trump was guilty of impeachable offenses. On obstruction, he clearly took pains to say that he was not exonerating Trump. So what? It wasn't his job to exonerate anyone. It was his job to investigate the facts and to prosecute anyone for which there was sufficient evidence to file criminal charges.

As private citizens not engaged in a judicial procedure we are not compelled to presume innocense until guilt can be proven. We are not compelled to base our opinions on guilt and innocence on a collection of truthful evidence that meets a given standard of proof. Thankfully though, prosecutors, judges, and juries are so compelled and when they make their decisions and form their judgments based on the evidence before them, whatever disagreement we may have with them, for whatever reasons, means (again thankfully) bupkes...notwithstanding your lofty notion of what the right thing to do is.

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Trump and Barr (Henry the VIII and Cromwell) are in processs of tearing up the intelligence community and risking the lives of operatives and informants and risking Russia and other hostile country knowing the secret ways the intelligence community gathers their intelligence.


Now, this is pure nonsense that has no foundation in fact. First of all, nothing has yet been declassified and so it is an impossibility that they are doing what you accuse them of. It is absurd a claim as Schiff's contention that declassification if part of a cover-up. It is the sort of thing that has and will continue to convince the reasonable person residing in the Middle that the #Resistance is a partisan farce.

Secondly, your assumption that Trump and particularly AG Barr are prepared to put the lives of American intelligence operatives in jeopardy and reveal our deepest held secrets to the Russians is indefensibly outrageous, but what else to expect from someone who assumed Trump would conspire with a foreign government to rig an election, and who won't let go of such a defamatory charge despite the absence of any evidence to substantiate it? How did you come up with this notion? The prior actions of these two? If so what are they? Or do you somehow have an incredibly deep connection with our intelligence community? If so you probably should keep your trap shut before you endanger operatives and sources and methods. Of course, neither is the case. You've willingly lapped up the kool-aide of men like Brennan, Clapper (proven liars) and Comey who are most likely to be found to have been, at a minimum, extremely unethical and very possibly criminal. They are in the cross-hairs of the AG's investigation and of course, they are going to try and slip out by raising a hue & cry about the danger to our intelligence agency.


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The only way to stop Trump is by impeachment and exposing everything he has done since becoming President.


Stop him from what? From exposing corruption within the upper levels of leadership of the FBI and CIA? How rich it is to witness liberals bleat about the dangers of transparency and the patriotic honor of the FBI they damned for its surveillance and attempted blackmail of MLK, and the CIA they've been accusing, for decades, of overthrowing democratically elected governments and funding Central American Death Squads that rape and kill nuns. Unbelievably rich! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

And here you go again thinking that The Avengers are somehow going to be put in charge of the impeachment process and, I guess, with the help of fellow superheroes Clapper, Brennan and Comey they are going to be use the Infinity Stones to expose everything Trump has done since becoming President Laughing

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Even if it don't stop him, at least there will be information out there for all those supporting the President to at least have it in the back of their minds.


The information they don't have now? The information the Avengers are going to produce? You are delusional.

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Regardless of how all the chips go down, it is the right thing to do. To me that is the bottom line. I have read and even agree with all the agreements not to (except the one of Trump has done nothing wrong) however, I still feel it is the right and true action we should take even if it makes us go down in flames.


Well, I certainly hope that Pelosi & Co. follow your righteous advice because if they do, the Dems will go down in flames.
revelette1
 
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Reply Sun 26 May, 2019 04:19 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You write too much for what you have to say, so, I will respond to your important points so to speak.

You could be right about not able to get documents if we file for impeachment. I would think though that in taking Trump to court to get those documents, if there was an impeachment proceeding underway, democrats could show greater cause to have those documents in the courts.

As for whether impeachment would really make democrats go down in flames, I am not so sure. I think that has been way overstated. Trump ain't no Bill Clinton.

The reason I say it is the right thing to do regardless of the gutlessness and integrity of the republican senate is because the unredacted Mueller report has shed enough evidence to impeach this president; he has obstructed the investigation of the Russian interference in the 2018 election. Plus him using the US attorney general as his own personal lawyer at the expense of our intelligence communities is shameful and harmful.

The following is from 538.

Would Democrats Really Face A Backlash If They Impeached Trump?

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To emphasize the obvious: The electoral impact of impeachment is really difficult to predict. It’s not clear that an impeachment push would hurt Democrats electorally (or help them).

So that leaves Democrats with an underlying question: How strongly do they believe in the case for impeaching Trump, electoral considerations aside? As long as Republicans remain behind Trump, impeachment would be a symbolic action to some extent. But it’s still a powerful and important symbolic act.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2019 05:02 pm
@revelette1,
Since you don't care for what I have to say, it's not surprising that you think I write too much and I'm not surprised that you refused to respond to all of my points under the guise that they are "not important."

One point I made about your absurd assertions bears repeating because you have reproduced it in your response and because it is typical of the thinking and tactics of progressives (In your case, just thinking because you are clearly not in a position to use tactics against the president.)

You have asserted Trump is "using the US attorney general as his own personal lawyer at the expense of our intelligence communities"

The part about Barr acting as the President's personal attorney is new to your argument but is a recent leftwing Democrat talking point often repeated in the MSM, and so I'm not surprised to find it as one of your own.

The most current Special Counsel statute does not require the AG to release the SC's report to the public. It was (re)written in this fashion because legislators (particularly, but not exclusively, Democratic legislators) didn't like the taste of transparency that governed the release of Ken Starr's report on his investigation of Bill Clinton. This means that the AG had a fair amount of legal latitude in how he handled Mueller's report. That he released a report with considerably less redaction than was predicted by all quarters; that he invited Mueller and his team to participate in determining what information should be redacted, that Executive Privilege was not once used in the redaction process and that he provided Congressional leaders with a copy of the report containing only those redactions required by law is hardly the way Trump's personal attorney would have handled the matter.

A lawyer acting in the sole interest of his client would do his damnedest to prevent the release of information that his client would find embarrassing and possibly damaging. Mueller's 10 Obstruction Issues (for lack of a better term) certainly constitute this sort of information, and yet we have all been able to read them from the very outset. There were no redactions, and no subpoenas were necessary for us to see it.

You might argue that Barr had no choice but to release the information, but you would be wrong. He had a choice and given how certain you and the Democrats are that these 10 Obstruction Issues present sufficient evidence to indict and impeach Trump, if he were acting as a personal attorney it would have been a choice he might have made. A personal attorney attempting to get his or her client out of a very serious jam doesn't really care much about political blowback. It doesn't really matter how your political opponents judge the legal tactics of your attorney if you are sitting behind bars.

Moreover, if he were acting as Trump's personal lawyer, it would not have been a choice he would have made without consulting his client. He could have gone to his client and said something to the effect of

"Look, this part of the report is going to cause you problems. There are legal ways that I can keep this information from being released. If I use them it will light a political firestorm and court challenges, but the information will not be in the public square unless leaked. You have to live with the political blowback of such a move though so what do you want me to do"

His advice on whether or not to release the info would hinge on the balance between the potential legal peril presented by the release of the information and the potential political peril caused by refusing to release it. Regardless, Barr insists that no such conversation took place between him and the President, nor any conversation at all concerning the report. That would be extremely odd behavior for a personal lawyer and depending on the circumstance could be grounds for disbarment. You, of course, dismiss this inconvenient consideration out of hand because you are certain Barr is a liar and that he lied when he testified under oath that no conversation with the President took place. It's a convenient fallback in a debate. Any and all arguments that are based on anything Barr has said can be disregarded because he is a liar.

But of course, what you really mean is that he is acting more like Trump's personal attorney than a fully independent AG. Right? In other words, when it fits your narrative the argument is valid, and when it gets sticky with facts...well, you didn't mean acting exactly like his personal attorney. For you, Barr, as AG, could not possibly have formed any legal opinions that are contrary to Jeffrey Toobin's (and thus yours) unless he was acting as a shill (personal attorney) for Trump. Right?

The corrupting effect of Trump is truly amazing. We know that every word out of his mouth is a lie because CNN and MSNBC tells us so, but apparently, his lying is so contagious that anyone who goes to work for him, no matter how pristine their reputation and past service, develops not only a willingness to tell whopping lies of prodigious size but insidious lies that they know will undermine our democracy and help an autocratic lout ruin the country. Pretty amazing! It's like he has a superpower or something!

There are scattered reports that IG Michael Horowitz's investigative conclusions are going to be very damaging to a number of people who have been leading the Dump Trump Campaign. We'll have to wait and see, but if they are and they can be used in any way to bolster Trump's position, we will no doubt be informed by you and CNN that Trump used his superpower on the heretofore forthright IG Horowitz. If, though, there are any real bombshells to be found in the investigation of the investigation, it is more likely that US Attorney John Durham will find and present them.

Barr must have thought long and hard about who to assign as head of the DOJ investigation into the origins of the Mueller Investigation. He needed someone with a track record of success in getting to facts and evidence that powerful people wanted to keep hidden, and he needed someone with a solid reputation for integrity and non-partisan objectivity. By all accounts, he found the person in John Durham, and he got the extra bonus of a US Attorney who has experience in successfully investigating our intelligence agencies. If there is any group of powerful people who you would expect to be good at keeping things hidden, it's them.

Of course, none of this will matter to you, Pelosi, Schummer, Blumenthal, Hirano, Booker, Sanders, Toobin, Lemon, Cuomo, Matthews, Maddow, Clapper, Comey, Brennan and 25 million other leftwing sufferers of TDS, if Durham announces at the end of his investigation that Trump was essentially correct: It was all a political Witch Hunt that originated in the Obama White House and involved senior leaders of our government including the FBI, CIA, NSA, the State Dept, and members of Congress and the MSM. The minute the first indictment is filed The NY Times, WaPo, MSNBC, CNN, Twitter and A2K will be ringing with shrill cries of how the junta has just begun! Durham will not only reveal himself to be a liar of Trumpian stature but a traitor like his boss Bill Barr.

I'm not predicting this result, but it's certainly possible and yet we will see much the same reaction as that described above if Durham's conclusions are only 25% as significant as my hypothetical. Any result that allows Trump to claim vindication, proves malfeasance if not criminality in the conduct of the entire Russian Investigation, and besmirches the image of the Obama Administration will be described as the darkest moment in US history. Durham will certainly have to weather numerous attacks against his veracity, integrity and even his patriotism. These attacks were teed up on the day it was announced he would lead the investigation with his state's Senator, Richard Blumenthal, telling members of the press that he feared Durham's stellar reputation would be ruined by this investigation. That's an incredible threat posing as a prediction and used against a US Attorney who has an unblemished record of professional service (Oh, and if there are any blemishes hiding in a closet in the Durham house, you can bet before this is all over, we'll know about them). That Blumenthal, the Vietnam Valor Theif, has the audacity to lecture anyone on veracity or integrity is a perfect indication of what a cynical, dishonorable cesspool Washington DC is.

Mark this post. 12 to 18 months from now you and other progressives in this forum will be wailing about how Trump has delivered a death blow to our democracy and has used the massive power of the DOJ to destroy his enemies whose only crime was to try and save our nation from him.

But, of course, I've veered into the land of hyperbole that I so often accuse progressive of inhabiting. Right?

Perhaps, but I don't think so, because the second part of your comment is a reiteration of the absurdly hyperbolic and completely unfounded argument you made in your prior post: Barr and Trump are putting the lives of US intelligence officers, as well as most guarded secrets concerning sources and methods in jeopardy. Of course, you didn't find my point about your nonsensical assertion to be important enough to respond to, and I don't expect that to change now, however, I'm still going to call you out on it because you doubled down.

Investigating the actions of the FBI, CIA and all other US intelligence operations as respects the Russia Investigation does not present a material risk to our national security, the personal security of any government employees or the ability of these agencies to perform their functions effectively. Full stop, end of sentence.

The people who will be conducting this investigation will have the same backgrounds and experience as those assigned to Mueller's team (except it's unlikely that they will all be Clinton supporters) Some (such as FBI agents) who were used by Mueller may be used by Durham. If they could be trusted with classified information during the Mueller investigation, and they didn't gut the government or any of its agencies, I don't think we have to worry about Durham and his team (or, for that matter, their boss, Bill Barr who is one of the least leaky of officials in government). You and those who agree with you may believe that the investigation is at best frivolous and unnecessary, but, at least, roughly half the nation does not. We don't get to vote on it, in any case, just as we didn't get to vote on the Mueller Investigation.

Not only did you and your friends dismiss out of hand the protests of some concerning the Mueller Investigation (First and foremost, Trump's) you asserted that any resistance to it indicated a fear, in Trump supporters, of what it would uncover, and an admission, in Trump's case, that there was something to hide. The proven conduct of senior FBI officals in the conduct of the investigation, alone, warrants this investigation and additional, troubling information has been seeping out since it's announcement (for example, the State Department official who told the FBI, in detailed terms, that Steele the foreign agent, paid opposition researcher, Trump-hater extraordinaire, and author of the infamous Dossier was an entirely untrustworthy source, before his dossier was used as support for the FISA warrant used to surveil Carter Page). We should be prepared for additional information to be volunteered as government officials, current and retired, continue to consider what they knew and did during the period of time under investigation, and decide they need to get ahead of the coming FBI interrogations, by volunteering what they know and which they may have previously felt they could safely withhold as the storm blew over.

We should also be on the look-out for infighting among the rats who wish to flee a sinking ship such as former AG Loretta Lynch's contradiction of the Congressional, under-oath, testimony of James Comey concerning her alleged instruction to him to call the FBI's actions relative to HRC and her e-mail a "matter," rather than an "investigation."

Samantha Powers (she of the 300 unmaskings), Susan Rice (she of the post-dated CYA email) and Ben Rhodes (he of the Echo Chamber), among others, will all have some 'splaining to do and I wouldn't be surprised if one or more drop a minor/major bombshell in some obscure interview on NPR. With all the indictments for process crimes coming out of the Mueller Investigation, it will be very fresh in the minds of potential Durham witnesses that trying to dance past one of these investigations by lying is not a smart idea.

To repeat one of my points, the declassification of documents related to the Russia Investigation has not yet happened and so it is ridiculous to allege it is hurting our intelligence and law enforcement operations or their agents. It is equally ridiculous to assert that it will result in serious damage when released. AG Barr, not Trump will determine what is and isn't declassified, and you would think this would comfort Trump-Haters who know that Trump can't be trusted with our nation's secrets. However, to understand your concern and the concern of all of your friends in the FBI, CIA and MSM, we have to return to the leftwing's premise that anyone and everyone who is associated with Donald Trump and is not actively (in secret or in the open) working against him, has been thoroughly contaminated. One small bite from President Trump and you're a fellow Zombie in search of a brain for breakfast. As previously explained, this, of course, means that Bill Barr has been infected and is a lying villain who will put national security and the lives of American agents in jeopardy to assist Trump in exacting his petty revenge.

Lindsey Graham says he's not worried and why should he be? First of all, he knows Barr can be trusted and secondly he knows what the classified information is and what impact it will have (on intelligence capabilities) if it is released. But then he's a Trump Zombie too!

We have seen this Kabuki Dance play out innumerable times over the last 50 years or so. Every time the FBI, CIA or any of the other intel agencies is asked for information they cite national security concerns or moan about methods and sources and then stonewall the group or person requesting the information. If they are eventually forced to release documents, they are so heavily redacted as to be of no information at all. While I am sure that often, and perhaps even most often, the concerns and need for secrecy are legitimate, we have seen numerous occasions where the information does ultimately come to light and it is revealed that the original concerns of national security were not appropriate, but, instead, the agency was attempting to prevent their own embarrassment. The fact that they are only hiding evidence that might embarrass them rather evidence of wrongdoing does not make the attempt acceptable.

Because secrecy is such an important part of the way these agencies operate they have a tremendous amount of power. The scope of that power and it's potential for abuse makes it essential that the secrecy employed is limited strictly to legitimate purposes. It's a hard call to make and I appreciate reasonable people will disagree, but I support a policy that errs on the side of transparency. Obviously critical national secrets must be protected and can be by the processes in place for disclosure and human lives should always be of paramount importance but protecting someone's career from the consequences of their negligence or malfeasance, preserving budget allocations, and avoiding a public black-eye for any given agency are never acceptable reasons to hide pertinent facts about official wrongdoing from Americans.

Clapper lied to Congress about the extent of NSA's domestic surveillance. Brennan lied about spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee that conducted oversight of his department. James Comey, if Loretta Lynch is believed, lied to Congress as well. All three are the most obvious targets of Durham's investigation and if they all weren't bleating about that investigation's threat to national security I would be astounded. I am, though, still astounded by how quickly the American Left swept decades of mistrust and condemnation from their memories and rushed to embrace the FBI and our Intel Agencies the minute they realized that they and their corrupt former leaders would be of assistance to them in their battle against Trump. I am equally astounded that anyone could be so disingenuous or flat out stupid to trust anything Clapper, Brennan or Comey says about anything, let alone anything about the Russia Investigation.

Oh, look! Another long response. Oh well.


revelette1
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2019 06:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Very well, I'll take my time and answer every single point you make in your too long post. It's a bother but...oh well. It might or might not be a while. Just so you know, your post below is 5 pages in Microsoft word. Ridiculous.
snood
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 May, 2019 06:27 pm
@revelette1,
And you know he takes every word seriously.
revelette1
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 May, 2019 06:58 pm
@snood,
I know, he can't wait to condescend to me and sneer and make outrageous claims and insult whole swaths of people as though all leftist are exactly alike. But I don't like looking like a coward. But I mean it is tedious, he goes on and on, I guess he loves reading what he posts and gets a kicking out of being a snide condescending A whole. Sorry, bad day.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2019 07:34 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
insult whole swaths of people as though all leftist are exactly alike.

That's ironic, it is exactly what you do with the Right.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2019 07:42 pm
Since you don't care for what I have to say, it's not surprising that you think I write too much and I'm not surprised that you refused to respond to all of my points under the guise that they are "not important."

One point I made about your absurd assertions bears repeating because you have reproduced it in your response and because it is typical of the thinking and tactics of progressives (In your case, just thinking because you are clearly not in a position to use tactics against the president.)

You have asserted Trump is "using the US attorney general as his own personal lawyer at the expense of our intelligence communities"

The part about Barr acting as the President's personal attorney is new to your argument but is a recent leftwing Democrat talking point often repeated in the MSM, and so I'm not surprised to find it as one of your own.

The most current Special Counsel statute does not require the AG to release the SC's report to the public. It was (re)written in this fashion because legislators (particularly, but not exclusively, Democratic legislators) didn't like the taste of transparency that governed the release of Ken Starr's report on his investigation of Bill Clinton. This means that the AG had a fair amount of legal latitude in how he handled Mueller's report. That he released a report with considerably less redaction than was predicted by all quarters; that he invited Mueller and his team to participate in determining what information should be redacted, that Executive Privilege was not once used in the redaction process and that he provided Congressional leaders with a copy of the report containing only those redactions required by law is hardly the way Trump's personal attorney would have handled the matter.

A lawyer acting in the sole interest of his client would do his damnedest to prevent the release of information that his client would find embarrassing and possibly damaging. Mueller's 10 Obstruction Issues (for lack of a better term) certainly constitute this sort of information, and yet we have all been able to read them from the very outset. There were no redactions, and no subpoenas were necessary for us to see it.

You might argue that Barr had no choice but to release the information, but you would be wrong. He had a choice and given how certain you and the Democrats are that these 10 Obstruction Issues present sufficient evidence to indict and impeach Trump, if he were acting as a personal attorney it would have been a choice he might have made. A personal attorney attempting to get his or her client out of a very serious jam doesn't really care much about political blowback. It doesn't really matter how your political opponents judge the legal tactics of your attorney if you are sitting behind bars.

Moreover, if he were acting as Trump's personal lawyer, it would not have been a choice he would have made without consulting his client. He could have gone to his client and said something to the effect of

"Look, this part of the report is going to cause you problems. There are legal ways that I can keep this information from being released. If I use them it will light a political firestorm and court challenges, but the information will not be in the public square unless leaked. You have to live with the political blowback of such a move though so what do you want me to do"

His advice on whether or not to release the info would hinge on the balance between the potential legal peril presented by the release of the information and the potential political peril caused by refusing to release it. Regardless, Barr insists that no such conversation took place between him and the President, nor any conversation at all concerning the report. That would be extremely odd behavior for a personal lawyer and depending on the circumstance could be grounds for disbarment. You, of course, dismiss this inconvenient consideration out of hand because you are certain Barr is a liar and that he lied when he testified under oath that no conversation with the President took place. It's a convenient fallback in a debate. Any and all arguments that are based on anything Barr has said can be disregarded because he is a liar.

But of course, what you really mean is that he is acting more like Trump's personal attorney than a fully independent AG. Right? In other words, when it fits your narrative the argument is valid, and when it gets sticky with facts...well, you didn't mean acting exactly like his personal attorney. For you, Barr, as AG, could not possibly have formed any legal opinions that are contrary to Jeffrey Toobin's (and thus yours) unless he was acting as a shill (personal attorney) for Trump. Right?

Your assumptions are incorrect. I think Barr is acting as Trump legal defense lawyer because he is taking the whole Deep State Conspiracy theory seriously. Trump has what he has been wanting for two years while Sessions was recused. I have moved on from the release of more information of the Mueller Report. I want the documents Congress wants and has asked for. I don't need to see them for myself.

The corrupting effect of Trump is truly amazing. We know that every word out of his mouth is a lie because CNN and MSNBC tells us so, but apparently, his lying is so contagious that anyone who goes to work for him, no matter how pristine their reputation and past service, develops not only a willingness to tell whopping lies of prodigious size but insidious lies that they know will undermine our democracy and help an autocratic lout ruin the country. Pretty amazing! It's like he has a superpower or something!


I do not watch CNN ever and I don’t watch a lot of MSNBC except perhaps Morning Joe for a little while. The reason Trump is called a liar is because he tells lies which are proven to be lies by various news articles which is where I get most of all my news. (except on days of hearings and/or elections)


There are scattered reports that IG Michael Horowitz's investigative conclusions are going to be very damaging to a number of people who have been leading the Dump Trump Campaign. We'll have to wait and see, but if they are and they can be used in any way to bolster Trump's position, we will no doubt be informed by you and CNN that Trump used his superpower on the heretofore forthright IG Horowitz. If, though, there are any real bombshells to be found in the investigation of the investigation, it is more likely that US Attorney John Durham will find and present them.

Yeah we will wait and see.

Barr must have thought long and hard about who to assign as head of the DOJ investigation into the origins of the Mueller Investigation. He needed someone with a track record of success in getting to facts and evidence that powerful people wanted to keep hidden, and he needed someone with a solid reputation for integrity and non-partisan objectivity. By all accounts, he found the person in John Durham, and he got the extra bonus of a US Attorney who has experience in successfully investigating our intelligence agencies. If there is any group of powerful people who you would expect to be good at keeping things hidden, it's them.

Mueller has an excellent track record as well, but it hasn’t stopped you guys from your idiotic conspiracy theories. From what I read, Yes US Attorney John Durham is respected. I feel sorry for his assignment. I agree with those who think it will be bad for his career.

Of course, none of this will matter to you, Pelosi, Schummer, Blumenthal, Hirano, Booker, Sanders, Toobin, Lemon, Cuomo, Matthews, Maddow, Clapper, Comey, Brennan and 25 million other leftwing sufferers of TDS, if Durham announces at the end of his investigation that Trump was essentially correct: It was all a political Witch Hunt that originated in the Obama White House and involved senior leaders of our government including the FBI, CIA, NSA, the State Dept, and members of Congress and the MSM. The minute the first indictment is filed The NY Times, WaPo, MSNBC, CNN, Twitter and A2K will be ringing with shrill cries of how the junta has just begun! Durham will not only reveal himself to be a liar of Trumpian stature but a traitor like his boss Bill Barr.

I don’t always agree with every single democrat or left leaning politician or news channel. Leftist are not all the same with the same thoughts and beliefs any more than righties are.

I'm not predicting this result, but it's certainly possible and yet we will see much the same reaction as that described above if Durham's conclusions are only 25% as significant as my hypothetical. Any result that allows Trump to claim vindication, proves malfeasance if not criminality in the conduct of the entire Russian Investigation, and besmirches the image of the Obama Administration will be described as the darkest moment in US history. Durham will certainly have to weather numerous attacks against his veracity, integrity and even his patriotism. These attacks were teed up on the day it was announced he would lead the investigation with his state's Senator, Richard Blumenthal, telling members of the press that he feared Durham's stellar reputation would be ruined by this investigation. That's an incredible threat posing as a prediction and used against a US Attorney who has an unblemished record of professional service (Oh, and if there are any blemishes hiding in a closet in the Durham house, you can bet before this is all over, we'll know about them). That Blumenthal, the Vietnam Valor Theif, has the audacity to lecture anyone on veracity or integrity is a perfect indication of what a cynical, dishonorable cesspool Washington DC is.

Mark this post. 12 to 18 months from now you and other progressives in this forum will be wailing about how Trump has delivered a death blow to our democracy and has used the massive power of the DOJ to destroy his enemies whose only crime was to try and save our nation from him.

But, of course, I've veered into the land of hyperbole that I so often accuse progressive of inhabiting. Right?

Yes you have veered into the land hyperbole. Your entire screed of the Deep State of Obama, the FBI the CIA and our intelligence agencies out to get to get Trump is just too dumb for words.

Perhaps, but I don't think so, because the second part of your comment is a reiteration of the absurdly hyperbolic and completely unfounded argument you made in your prior post: Barr and Trump are putting the lives of US intelligence officers, as well as most guarded secrets concerning sources and methods in jeopardy. Of course, you didn't find my point about your nonsensical assertion to be important enough to respond to, and I don't expect that to change now, however, I'm still going to call you out on it because you doubled down.

Investigating the actions of the FBI, CIA and all other US intelligence operations as respects the Russia Investigation does not present a material risk to our national security, the personal security of any government employees or the ability of these agencies to perform their functions effectively. Full stop, end of sentence.

The people who will be conducting this investigation will have the same backgrounds and experience as those assigned to Mueller's team (except it's unlikely that they will all be Clinton supporters) Some (such as FBI agents) who were used by Mueller may be used by Durham. If they could be trusted with classified information during the Mueller investigation, and they didn't gut the government or any of its agencies, I don't think we have to worry about Durham and his team (or, for that matter, their boss, Bill Barr who is one of the least leaky of officials in government). You and those who agree with you may believe that the investigation is at best frivolous and unnecessary, but, at least, roughly half the nation does not. We don't get to vote on it, in any case, just as we didn't get to vote on the Mueller Investigation.

Where do you get your figure that half the country does not think investigating the investigators is unnecessary? Are there polls other right-wing polls out? Perhaps a compilation of polls to get an average of a range of polls on the subject?

Not only did you and your friends dismiss out of hand the protests of some concerning the Mueller Investigation (First and foremost, Trump's) you asserted that any resistance to it indicated a fear, in Trump supporters, of what it would uncover, and an admission, in Trump's case, that there was something to hide. The proven conduct of senior FBI officals in the conduct of the investigation, alone, warrants this investigation and additional, troubling information has been seeping out since it's announcement (for example, the State Department official who told the FBI, in detailed terms, that Steele the foreign agent, paid opposition researcher, Trump-hater extraordinaire, and author of the infamous Dossier was an entirely untrustworthy source, before his dossier was used as support for the FISA warrant used to surveil Carter Page). We should be prepared for additional information to be volunteered as government officials, current and retired, continue to consider what they knew and did during the period of time under investigation, and decide they need to get ahead of the coming FBI interrogations, by volunteering what they know and which they may have previously felt they could safely withhold as the storm blew over.

We should also be on the look-out for infighting among the rats who wish to flee a sinking ship such as former AG Loretta Lynch's contradiction of the Congressional, under-oath, testimony of James Comey concerning her alleged instruction to him to call the FBI's actions relative to HRC and her e-mail a "matter," rather than an "investigation."

Samantha Powers (she of the 300 unmaskings), Susan Rice (she of the post-dated CYA email) and Ben Rhodes (he of the Echo Chamber), among others, will all have some 'splaining to do and I wouldn't be surprised if one or more drop a minor/major bombshell in some obscure interview on NPR. With all the indictments for process crimes coming out of the Mueller Investigation, it will be very fresh in the minds of potential Durham witnesses that trying to dance past one of these investigations by lying is not a smart idea.

To repeat one of my points, the declassification of documents related to the Russia Investigation has not yet happened and so it is ridiculous to allege it is hurting our intelligence and law enforcement operations or their agents. It is equally ridiculous to assert that it will result in serious damage when released. AG Barr, not Trump will determine what is and isn't declassified, and you would think this would comfort Trump-Haters who know that Trump can't be trusted with our nation's secrets. However, to understand your concern and the concern of all of your friends in the FBI, CIA and MSM, we have to return to the leftwing's premise that anyone and everyone who is associated with Donald Trump and is not actively (in secret or in the open) working against him, has been thoroughly contaminated. One small bite from President Trump and you're a fellow Zombie in search of a brain for breakfast. As previously explained, this, of course, means that Bill Barr has been infected and is a lying villain who will put national security and the lives of American agents in jeopardy to assist Trump in exacting his petty revenge.

Lindsey Graham says he's not worried and why should he be? First of all, he knows Barr can be trusted and secondly he knows what the classified information is and what impact it will have (on intelligence capabilities) if it is released. But then he's a Trump Zombie too!


If the shoe fits.


We have seen this Kabuki Dance play out innumerable times over the last 50 years or so. Every time the FBI, CIA or any of the other intel agencies is asked for information they cite national security concerns or moan about methods and sources and then stonewall the group or person requesting the information. If they are eventually forced to release documents, they are so heavily redacted as to be of no information at all. While I am sure that often, and perhaps even most often, the concerns and need for secrecy are legitimate, we have seen numerous occasions where the information does ultimately come to light and it is revealed that the original concerns of national security were not appropriate, but, instead, the agency was attempting to prevent their own embarrassment. The fact that they are only hiding evidence that might embarrass them rather evidence of wrongdoing does not make the attempt acceptable.

Because secrecy is such an important part of the way these agencies operate they have a tremendous amount of power. The scope of that power and it's potential for abuse makes it essential that the secrecy employed is limited strictly to legitimate purposes. It's a hard call to make and I appreciate reasonable people will disagree, but I support a policy that errs on the side of transparency. Obviously critical national secrets must be protected and can be by the processes in place for disclosure and human lives should always be of paramount importance but protecting someone's career from the consequences of their negligence or malfeasance, preserving budget allocations, and avoiding a public black-eye for any given agency are never acceptable reasons to hide pertinent facts about official wrongdoing from Americans.

Clapper lied to Congress about the extent of NSA's domestic surveillance. Brennan lied about spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee that conducted oversight of his department. James Comey, if Loretta Lynch is believed, lied to Congress as well. All three are the most obvious targets of Durham's investigation and if they all weren't bleating about that investigation's threat to national security I would be astounded. I am, though, still astounded by how quickly the American Left swept decades of mistrust and condemnation from their memories and rushed to embrace the FBI and our Intel Agencies the minute they realized that they and their corrupt former leaders would be of assistance to them in their battle against Trump. I am equally astounded that anyone could be so disingenuous or flat out stupid to trust anything Clapper, Brennan or Comey says about anything, let alone anything about the Russia Investigation.


Revealing methods of our intelligence agencies just gives free information for our enemies or those countries who, you know, meddle in our elections.

So tell me, at the end of the day, do you believe Russia meddled into the election of 2016 to help Trump? Do you believe in the Mueller report? If you do, then, I don’t see why there needs to be an investigation into why the investigation started. It just seems dumb and wasteful to me. But let em’ go for it and let the information fall where it may. What if at the end of the investigation of the investigators there was no real plan of a deep state Dump Trump Campaign? You are going to have a lot of egg on your face.


Oh, look! Another long response. Oh well.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2019 11:19 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Since you don't care for what I have to say, it's not surprising that you think I write too much and I'm not surprised that you refused to respond to all of my points under the guise that they are "not important."

One point I made about your absurd assertions bears repeating because you have reproduced it in your response and because it is typical of the thinking and tactics of progressives (In your case, just thinking because you are clearly not in a position to use tactics against the president.)

You have asserted Trump is "using the US attorney general as his own personal lawyer at the expense of our intelligence communities"

The part about Barr acting as the President's personal attorney is new to your argument but is a recent leftwing Democrat talking point often repeated in the MSM, and so I'm not surprised to find it as one of your own.

The most current Special Counsel statute does not require the AG to release the SC's report to the public. It was (re)written in this fashion because legislators (particularly, but not exclusively, Democratic legislators) didn't like the taste of transparency that governed the release of Ken Starr's report on his investigation of Bill Clinton. This means that the AG had a fair amount of legal latitude in how he handled Mueller's report. That he released a report with considerably less redaction than was predicted by all quarters; that he invited Mueller and his team to participate in determining what information should be redacted, that Executive Privilege was not once used in the redaction process and that he provided Congressional leaders with a copy of the report containing only those redactions required by law is hardly the way Trump's personal attorney would have handled the matter.

A lawyer acting in the sole interest of his client would do his damnedest to prevent the release of information that his client would find embarrassing and possibly damaging. Mueller's 10 Obstruction Issues (for lack of a better term) certainly constitute this sort of information, and yet we have all been able to read them from the very outset. There were no redactions, and no subpoenas were necessary for us to see it.

You might argue that Barr had no choice but to release the information, but you would be wrong. He had a choice and given how certain you and the Democrats are that these 10 Obstruction Issues present sufficient evidence to indict and impeach Trump, if he were acting as a personal attorney it would have been a choice he might have made. A personal attorney attempting to get his or her client out of a very serious jam doesn't really care much about political blowback. It doesn't really matter how your political opponents judge the legal tactics of your attorney if you are sitting behind bars.

Moreover, if he were acting as Trump's personal lawyer, it would not have been a choice he would have made without consulting his client. He could have gone to his client and said something to the effect of

"Look, this part of the report is going to cause you problems. There are legal ways that I can keep this information from being released. If I use them it will light a political firestorm and court challenges, but the information will not be in the public square unless leaked. You have to live with the political blowback of such a move though so what do you want me to do"

His advice on whether or not to release the info would hinge on the balance between the potential legal peril presented by the release of the information and the potential political peril caused by refusing to release it. Regardless, Barr insists that no such conversation took place between him and the President, nor any conversation at all concerning the report. That would be extremely odd behavior for a personal lawyer and depending on the circumstance could be grounds for disbarment. You, of course, dismiss this inconvenient consideration out of hand because you are certain Barr is a liar and that he lied when he testified under oath that no conversation with the President took place. It's a convenient fallback in a debate. Any and all arguments that are based on anything Barr has said can be disregarded because he is a liar.

But of course, what you really mean is that he is acting more like Trump's personal attorney than a fully independent AG. Right? In other words, when it fits your narrative the argument is valid, and when it gets sticky with facts...well, you didn't mean acting exactly like his personal attorney. For you, Barr, as AG, could not possibly have formed any legal opinions that are contrary to Jeffrey Toobin's (and thus yours) unless he was acting as a shill (personal attorney) for Trump. Right?

The corrupting effect of Trump is truly amazing. We know that every word out of his mouth is a lie because CNN and MSNBC tells us so, but apparently, his lying is so contagious that anyone who goes to work for him, no matter how pristine their reputation and past service, develops not only a willingness to tell whopping lies of prodigious size but insidious lies that they know will undermine our democracy and help an autocratic lout ruin the country. Pretty amazing! It's like he has a superpower or something!

There are scattered reports that IG Michael Horowitz's investigative conclusions are going to be very damaging to a number of people who have been leading the Dump Trump Campaign. We'll have to wait and see, but if they are and they can be used in any way to bolster Trump's position, we will no doubt be informed by you and CNN that Trump used his superpower on the heretofore forthright IG Horowitz. If, though, there are any real bombshells to be found in the investigation of the investigation, it is more likely that US Attorney John Durham will find and present them.

Barr must have thought long and hard about who to assign as head of the DOJ investigation into the origins of the Mueller Investigation. He needed someone with a track record of success in getting to facts and evidence that powerful people wanted to keep hidden, and he needed someone with a solid reputation for integrity and non-partisan objectivity. By all accounts, he found the person in John Durham, and he got the extra bonus of a US Attorney who has experience in successfully investigating our intelligence agencies. If there is any group of powerful people who you would expect to be good at keeping things hidden, it's them.

Of course, none of this will matter to you, Pelosi, Schummer, Blumenthal, Hirano, Booker, Sanders, Toobin, Lemon, Cuomo, Matthews, Maddow, Clapper, Comey, Brennan and 25 million other leftwing sufferers of TDS, if Durham announces at the end of his investigation that Trump was essentially correct: It was all a political Witch Hunt that originated in the Obama White House and involved senior leaders of our government including the FBI, CIA, NSA, the State Dept, and members of Congress and the MSM. The minute the first indictment is filed The NY Times, WaPo, MSNBC, CNN, Twitter and A2K will be ringing with shrill cries of how the junta has just begun! Durham will not only reveal himself to be a liar of Trumpian stature but a traitor like his boss Bill Barr.

I'm not predicting this result, but it's certainly possible and yet we will see much the same reaction as that described above if Durham's conclusions are only 25% as significant as my hypothetical. Any result that allows Trump to claim vindication, proves malfeasance if not criminality in the conduct of the entire Russian Investigation, and besmirches the image of the Obama Administration will be described as the darkest moment in US history. Durham will certainly have to weather numerous attacks against his veracity, integrity and even his patriotism. These attacks were teed up on the day it was announced he would lead the investigation with his state's Senator, Richard Blumenthal, telling members of the press that he feared Durham's stellar reputation would be ruined by this investigation. That's an incredible threat posing as a prediction and used against a US Attorney who has an unblemished record of professional service (Oh, and if there are any blemishes hiding in a closet in the Durham house, you can bet before this is all over, we'll know about them). That Blumenthal, the Vietnam Valor Theif, has the audacity to lecture anyone on veracity or integrity is a perfect indication of what a cynical, dishonorable cesspool Washington DC is.

Mark this post. 12 to 18 months from now you and other progressives in this forum will be wailing about how Trump has delivered a death blow to our democracy and has used the massive power of the DOJ to destroy his enemies whose only crime was to try and save our nation from him.

But, of course, I've veered into the land of hyperbole that I so often accuse progressive of inhabiting. Right?

Perhaps, but I don't think so, because the second part of your comment is a reiteration of the absurdly hyperbolic and completely unfounded argument you made in your prior post: Barr and Trump are putting the lives of US intelligence officers, as well as most guarded secrets concerning sources and methods in jeopardy. Of course, you didn't find my point about your nonsensical assertion to be important enough to respond to, and I don't expect that to change now, however, I'm still going to call you out on it because you doubled down.

Investigating the actions of the FBI, CIA and all other US intelligence operations as respects the Russia Investigation does not present a material risk to our national security, the personal security of any government employees or the ability of these agencies to perform their functions effectively. Full stop, end of sentence.

The people who will be conducting this investigation will have the same backgrounds and experience as those assigned to Mueller's team (except it's unlikely that they will all be Clinton supporters) Some (such as FBI agents) who were used by Mueller may be used by Durham. If they could be trusted with classified information during the Mueller investigation, and they didn't gut the government or any of its agencies, I don't think we have to worry about Durham and his team (or, for that matter, their boss, Bill Barr who is one of the least leaky of officials in government). You and those who agree with you may believe that the investigation is at best frivolous and unnecessary, but, at least, roughly half the nation does not. We don't get to vote on it, in any case, just as we didn't get to vote on the Mueller Investigation.

Not only did you and your friends dismiss out of hand the protests of some concerning the Mueller Investigation (First and foremost, Trump's) you asserted that any resistance to it indicated a fear, in Trump supporters, of what it would uncover, and an admission, in Trump's case, that there was something to hide. The proven conduct of senior FBI officals in the conduct of the investigation, alone, warrants this investigation and additional, troubling information has been seeping out since it's announcement (for example, the State Department official who told the FBI, in detailed terms, that Steele the foreign agent, paid opposition researcher, Trump-hater extraordinaire, and author of the infamous Dossier was an entirely untrustworthy source, before his dossier was used as support for the FISA warrant used to surveil Carter Page). We should be prepared for additional information to be volunteered as government officials, current and retired, continue to consider what they knew and did during the period of time under investigation, and decide they need to get ahead of the coming FBI interrogations, by volunteering what they know and which they may have previously felt they could safely withhold as the storm blew over.

We should also be on the look-out for infighting among the rats who wish to flee a sinking ship such as former AG Loretta Lynch's contradiction of the Congressional, under-oath, testimony of James Comey concerning her alleged instruction to him to call the FBI's actions relative to HRC and her e-mail a "matter," rather than an "investigation."

Samantha Powers (she of the 300 unmaskings), Susan Rice (she of the post-dated CYA email) and Ben Rhodes (he of the Echo Chamber), among others, will all have some 'splaining to do and I wouldn't be surprised if one or more drop a minor/major bombshell in some obscure interview on NPR. With all the indictments for process crimes coming out of the Mueller Investigation, it will be very fresh in the minds of potential Durham witnesses that trying to dance past one of these investigations by lying is not a smart idea.

To repeat one of my points, the declassification of documents related to the Russia Investigation has not yet happened and so it is ridiculous to allege it is hurting our intelligence and law enforcement operations or their agents. It is equally ridiculous to assert that it will result in serious damage when released. AG Barr, not Trump will determine what is and isn't declassified, and you would think this would comfort Trump-Haters who know that Trump can't be trusted with our nation's secrets. However, to understand your concern and the concern of all of your friends in the FBI, CIA and MSM, we have to return to the leftwing's premise that anyone and everyone who is associated with Donald Trump and is not actively (in secret or in the open) working against him, has been thoroughly contaminated. One small bite from President Trump and you're a fellow Zombie in search of a brain for breakfast. As previously explained, this, of course, means that [[[[[[Bill Barr has been infected and is a lying villain who will put national security and the lives of American agents in jeopardy to assist Trump in exacting his petty revenge.]]]]]]]. I think there many trump devotees who will cheerfully savage the truth for nothing more than a nod of approval from the Don

Lindsey Graham says he's not worried and why should he be? First of all, he knows Barr can be trusted and secondly he knows what the classified information is and what impact it will have (on intelligence capabilities) if it is released. But then he's a Trump Zombie too!

We have seen this Kabuki Dance play out innumerable times over the last 50 years or so. Every time the FBI, CIA or any of the other intel agencies is asked for information they cite national security concerns or moan about methods and sources and then stonewall the group or person requesting the information. If they are eventually forced to release documents, they are so heavily redacted as to be of no information at all. While I am sure that often, and perhaps even most often, the concerns and need for secrecy are legitimate,[[[[ we have seen numerous occasions where the information does ultimately come to light and it is revealed that the original concerns of national security were not appropriate, but, instead, the agency was attempting to prevent their own embarrassment.]]]]]] [[[[[The fact that they are only hiding evidence that might embarrass them rather evidence of wrongdoing does not make the attempt acceptable.]]]]]]

Because secrecy is such an important part of the way these agencies operate they have a tremendous amount of power. The scope of that power and it's potential for abuse makes it essential that the secrecy employed is limited strictly to legitimate purposes. It's a hard call to make and I appreciate reasonable people will disagree, but I support a policy that errs on the side of transparency. Obviously critical national secrets must be protected and can be by the processes in place for disclosure and human lives should always be of paramount importance but protecting someone's career from the consequences of their negligence or malfeasance, preserving budget allocations, and avoiding a public black-eye for any given agency are never acceptable reasons to hide pertinent facts about official wrongdoing from Americans.

Clapper lied to Congress about the extent of NSA's domestic surveillance. Brennan lied about spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee that conducted oversight of his department. James Comey, if Loretta Lynch is believed, lied to Congress as well. All three are the most obvious targets of Durham's investigation and if they all weren't bleating about that investigation's threat to national security I would be astounded. I am, though, still astounded by how quickly the American Left swept decades of mistrust and condemnation from their memories and rushed to embrace the FBI and our Intel Agencies the minute they realized that they and their corrupt former leaders would be of assistance to them in their battle against Trump. I am equally astounded that anyone could be so disingenuous or flat out stupid to trust anything Clapper, Brennan or Comey says about anything, let alone anything about the Russia Investigation.

Oh, look! Another long response. Oh well.





It's OK Finn, I know why you post such lengthy and snide material in your posts. Pretty soon revelette will understand as well. Everything is swell, don't change a hair for anyone.
FreedomEyeLove
 
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Reply Tue 28 May, 2019 12:00 am
@glitterbag,
You're not very bright, are you?
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FreedomEyeLove
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2019 04:01 am
When Old Women Rape Boys


It is time to start putting women in prison for raping boys.
A very brave young man has come forward to expose Asia Argento as a child rapist.

Not surprisingly, some middle-aged INCELS think that she couldn’t have “raped” him because he is male, and, also, because any 17 year old boy is so horny that he would love to be raped by a “hot” actress. The INCELS who think and say this are desperate for sex, and, are unable to comprehend the price a boy pays when an old woman, like Asia Argento, rapes him.


Asia Argento (left) raped a 17 year old boy in Los Angeles. Shown with her friend and co-predator of the #metoo campaign Rose McGowan
When she raped the boy, Asia Argento was over twice as old as the boy. She had apparently groomed him for quite some time, then, plied him with alcohol to further her crime.

Contrary to popular opinion, this is not just a “rite of passage” for boys. It is rape.

The first thing to know about boys who are raped by old women is that there is a reason the law protects the boys from old women.

Old women, such as Asia Argento, when they rape, do every bit as much damage to a boy as an older man does to a girl of the same age.

This has become clear from scientific studies. Dr. Miriam S. Denov, currently with McGill University (as well as many other experts) has noted that the public perception is that women raping or molesting boys is harmless. However, she goes on to note that women raping boys is often much more traumatic to a boy than men having sex with girls the same age.

There are two reasons that boys suffer more than girls when old women rape them.


82% of children who report a woman as their rapist or molester are ignored by authorities.
First, the boy is less likely to be believed than a girl (because of our frenzied stereotypes about rape and child molesting). Dr. Michelle Elliot, Psy.D., is, perhaps, the world expert on female pedophiles. Her research shows that in 82% of cases of children reporting a woman as their rapist or child molester, the authorities simply refused to believe the child. This is very traumatic to a child who has been raped or molested by a woman. For instance, Asia Argento is trying to further her victim’s trauma (as most rapists will do) by saying that “the horny boy jumped me.[1]


Second, an old woman who rapes a boy will use emotional manipulation (grooming) over long periods of time, and, use alcohol or drugs on the boy. This results in both boys, and girls, who are raped by women and men, to report 100% that the trauma from being raped or molested by the woman was more traumatic than betrayal by a man.[2]

We now know from Dr. Laura Stemple’s studies at UCLA Law School that women rape men and boys more often than the other way around.

Research Finds Sexual Victimization Perpetrated by Women More Common than Previously Known …

For Immediate Release November 28, 2016 Media Contact: Noel Alumit, [email protected] Office: 310-794-2332 Research…
williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu
We also know from other studies that even absent the extra aggravating factors of women who rape, boys incur just as much, or more trauma as girls when raped.[3]

It is time to start putting women in prison for raping boys.

https://medium.com/gender-studies-for-men/when-old-women-rape-boys-3b3a4037f0a?fbclid=IwAR07uJ_igG8KSl5OVlq-9kNTT5qaevP5Ne3S8G8Tbkp7wpRidF2lma3ysNM
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2019 04:23 am
@FreedomEyeLove,
There are a couple of conversations about this content specifically and #metoo in general on threads with those titles.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Tue 28 May, 2019 08:08 am
Quote:
Elizabeth Warren Gains Ground in 2020 Field, One Plan at a Time

NEWTON, Iowa — To the crowd of Iowans gathered in a school gym on Saturday night, Senator Elizabeth Warren made a request: They should pose a question to the other presidential candidates who come to Iowa seeking their vote.

“Ask them: Where do you get your money?” she said. “Are you getting it from a bunch of millionaires?”

For Ms. Warren, the question highlighted one of the sharpest contrasts she has drawn with most of her top rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination: She has sworn off holding private fund-raisers with wealthy donors. “The best president money can’t buy,” signs and T-shirts for her campaign say.

“I like that very much,” Cheryl Scherr, 63, said afterward, “because that means that she’s not beholden to anybody.”

After five months as a presidential candidate, Ms. Warren is showing signs of success at distinguishing herself in a packed field. She has inched higher in national polls and, at events within the last month, consistently overshot the campaign’s expected amount of attendees.

She has been propelled in part by a number of disruptive choices, most notably the breakneck pace at which she introduces policy proposals. That has helped keep her in the news, put pressure on rivals and provided more opportunities to shore up her campaign’s once-lackluster fund-raising.

Other decisions have helped her with her party’s progressive flank. Ms. Warren was quick to call for the impeachment of President Trump, a view shared by many Democrats. She refused to participate in a town hall event on Fox News, a channel that is reviled on the left. She has also been the only major candidate to call for student debt cancellation, and about 250,000 people have used a tool on her website that allows visitors to calculate how much of their debt her plan would eliminate.

The website experienced a large surge in visitors after the billionaire Robert F. Smith made national headlines last week when he pledged to pay off all the debt for the graduating class at Morehouse College in Atlanta.

But Ms. Warren’s recent strength also highlights the volatile nature of the campaign’s early stages, and how much any candidate must do to overtake Joseph R. Biden Jr. — whose name recognition and status as a former vice president have placed him comfortably in the role of the front-runner.

Ms. Warren has become a favorite candidate among the activist left and is the subject of a viral tweet or video on a seemingly daily basis, but she still trails Mr. Biden by double digits in polls and does not seem to have broken through in New Hampshire, the critical primary state that neighbors her Massachusetts home.

Her ability to raise money over the long haul also remains a major question mark. In the first quarter of the year, before Mr. Biden entered the race, her fund-raising lagged that of four other candidates: Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Senator Kamala Harris of California, former Representative Beto O’Rourke of Texas and Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind.

Still, interviews with more than two dozen attendees at Ms. Warren’s campaign events in Iowa over Memorial Day weekend suggested that her steady stream of policy proposals was getting voters’ attention. Her “I have a plan for that” campaign slogan has become a rallying cry for supporters.

“That’s going to be her big selling point,” said Joel Williams, 20, a college student who went to see Ms. Warren in Oskaloosa on Sunday. “The specifics that really go to the heart of people’s frustrations with the system as it is.”

“She’s got it all laid out,” said Susan Conroy, 71, a retired lawyer. “She’s got plans, and people are hungry for knowing, ‘Well, what are you going to do about it?’”

Several recent national polls have placed Ms. Warren at the front of the pack of candidates who are clustered behind Mr. Biden and Mr. Sanders.

Ms. Warren has gained ground in polls over the past several weeks, while support for Mr. Sanders dipped after Mr. Biden joined the race.
At her events during a three-day visit to Iowa, Ms. Warren wove together the story of her upbringing in Oklahoma with a walk-through of her plans to achieve what she calls “big, structural change,” before taking a handful of questions.

“She was totally comfortable talking about any topic that anyone brought up, and you can tell she loves it,” said Frank Broz, 37, a small-business owner who went to see Ms. Warren in Fairfield. “I feel like any one of those topics, she could have spent another two hours on. That’s very persuasive to me.”

He added of her White House bid, “She has the energy to say, ‘I’m not just willing to do this; I’m dying to get in there.’

Ms. Warren’s visit over the weekend was her seventh trip to Iowa this year, and her campaign has established a robust presence in the state, with more than 50 paid staff members. Over the past two months, she has also spent more money on Facebook ads in Iowa, an estimated $34,000, than any other candidate, according to Bully Pulpit Interactive, a Democratic communications firm.

In recent national polling, Ms. Warren has shown particular strength with liberals, college-educated voters and those who are paying close attention to the presidential race. In a survey released last week by Quinnipiac University, she was the most popular candidate among Democrats who are very liberal, with support from 30 percent of those voters, compared with 22 percent for Mr. Sanders.

Sophia Coker-Gunnink, 23, who works for a nonprofit and went to see Ms. Warren in Ottumwa, supported Mr. Sanders in 2016. But this time around, she favors Ms. Warren.

“The main thing for me is the plans that she has that are just more thought out,” she said.

Ms. Warren shows no sign of slowing down on that front. Her campaign is expected to release another major policy proposal within the coming week, timed around a trip to Michigan and Indiana — the 19th and 20th states she will have visited during the campaign’s early stages.
Ms. Warren’s campaign has also caught the attention of several liberal groups and unions. Top leaders at the Service Employees International

Union, the influential labor group with almost two million members, have pointed to Ms. Warren’s ascendance as a reason to slow their primary endorsement process, according to people familiar with the deliberations.
Some leaders at S.E.I.U. wanted to back Ms. Harris early in the primary season, these people said, particularly after her campaign’s strong initial rollout, but the fluid nature of the race has the group’s leaders echoing many rank-and-file Democrats, who feel it is too early to choose sides.

Ms. Warren still faces the long-term challenge of growing her support to include a broader population of Democrats, including nonwhite voters as well as moderates. And she faces obstacles in multiple directions: In addition to competing with Mr. Sanders for voters on the party’s left flank, she faces stiff competition from other candidates to emerge as an alternative to Mr. Biden, whose centrist campaign could appeal to a broad swath of Democratic voters.

Like others in the race, she is dealing with the so-called electability test, as voters assess which candidate they believe is best suited to defeat Mr. Trump — a calculation that can include gender bias in a country that has never elected a female president. Some online supporters have even taken to calling her “Likable Liz” in an attempt to rebuff notions she is only a policy wonk.

“I think she is somebody who could be a great candidate,” said Ann Visser, 62, a retired high school teacher who saw Ms. Warren in Oskaloosa. “I think there are some hurdles. I think that we have to get over this idea that a woman cannot be the president of the United States.”

Then there is the looming question of Ms. Warren’s fund-raising. Her decision to swear off high-dollar events distinguishes her in the sprawling field and dovetails well with one of the main planks of her campaign platform, which focuses on fighting corruption.

“Now is the time that Democrats had better be walking the walk, not just talking the talk,” Ms. Warren told the crowd in Newton after urging them to ask other candidates whether they were getting their money from millionaires.

At the same time, the decision carries risks for the financial viability of her bid. Ms. Warren is counting on online donors to sustain her campaign operation for the long haul, even as other candidates like Mr. Biden, Ms. Harris and Mr. Buttigieg pile up campaign cash from big donors in addition to online contributors.

For now, Ms. Warren has financial leeway because she transferred about $10 million to her presidential bid from her Senate account. But she struggled with early fund-raising, and her campaign burned through cash in the first quarter of the year, building a payroll that was far larger than that of any other Democratic candidate.

Mr. Biden, in particular, has relied on traditional high-dollar fund-raisers in the early days of his presidential bid. Ms. Warren declined to name names when asked by a reporter if she believed any specific candidates were not “walking the walk,” as she had put it.

“I know the race that I’m running,” she said, “and I’m proud to be running it.”



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Dear Candidates: Here Is What Black People Want (NYT)

Black Census Project is the largest survey of Black people conducted in the United States since Reconstruction.
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A Reminder That Some Journalists Are Lazy Idiots Who Progressives Spoon Feed

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It is why much of the national press is breathlessly reporting that Netflix is threatening to leave Georgia over its fetal heartbeat law. There's just one problem -- Netflix made no such threat.This is all pre-packaged PR by a progressive PR firm and reporters, already more likely than not to be biased in favor of abortion rights, are falling all over themselves to report it.

People believing lies is progress?
https://theresurgent.com/2019/05/29/a-reminder-that-some-journalists-are-lazy-idiots-who-progressives-spoon-feed/
 

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