neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 07:17 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Reelect Trump to protect our freedom.


Just don't be LBGTQ.

Or poor.

Or a woman.

Or a person pf color.

Because if you are in one of those groups, you'll get fucked. Literally and figuratively.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 07:29 pm
@neptuneblue,
That's just a myth that Democrats push to fool people into voting for them.

http://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/D-Slaves-600-CI.jpg
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 07:36 pm
@oralloy,
I know you deny the reality... But come on.

Trump's controversial transgender military policy goes into effect
April 12, 2019, 11:53 AM EDT
By Hallie Jackson and Courtney Kube

Three years after the Obama administration told transgender individuals they could serve openly and have access to gender-affirming medical and psychological care, the Trump administration has reversed course. The Pentagon on Friday began to implement a controversial new policy that critics say is essentially a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy for trans service members.

“The policy is insidious in operation but designed to be as comprehensive a ban as possible,” a report from the nonpartisan Palm Center, which studies LGBTQ military issues, stated. “In that sense, it is a perfect parallel to the failed ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy, also sold as not being a ban although designed to systemically push gay people out of military service — or at least keep them silent and invisible.”

Under the new policy, which the Department of Defense has insisted is not a “ban,” currently serving transgender individuals who have already received a diagnosis of gender dysphoria may continue to serve in their preferred gender, receive hormone treatments and undergo gender-affirming surgery. But after Friday, anyone with gender dysphoria who is taking hormones or has already undergone a gender transition will not be allowed to enlist. Further, any currently serving troops diagnosed with gender dysphoria after this date will have to serve in their sex as assigned at birth and will be barred from taking hormones or getting gender-affirming surgery.

The new transgender military policy was ignited by a series of surprise tweets made by President Donald Trump almost two years ago. His abrupt Twitter announcement caught the Pentagon off-guard and essentially forced the Defense Department to implement the ban — even though the president himself has only talked about it twice publicly in the last two years.

Trump dodged a shouted question on July 26, 2017, the day of his tweets, but addressed the issue Aug. 10.

“I have great respect for the community. I think I have great support — or I've had great support from that community. I got a lot of votes,” he told reporters. “But the transgender — the military is working on it now. They're doing the work. It's been a very difficult situation. And I think I'm doing a lot of people a favor by coming out and just saying it. As you know, it's been a very complicated issue for the military. It's been a very confusing issue for the military. And I think I'm doing the military a great favor.”

NBC News questioned Trump last October about his campaign promise to protect transgender people, in light of the ban and other news related to how his administration had been looking at defining gender under federal civil rights law.

“We’re looking at it. We have a lot of different concepts right now,” he said at the time. “They have a lot of different things happening with respect to transgender right now. You know that as well as I do, and we're looking at it very seriously.”

When asked a follow-up question about his “promise to protect the LGBTQ community,” Trump replied: “I’m protecting everybody.”

When told that “transgender Americans say you’ve given up on them,” Trump added: “You know what I'm doing? I'm protecting everybody. I want to protect our country.”

While Trump’s policy restricting transgender military service starts Friday, there are still four lawsuits pending against the policy.

Shannon Minter, the legal director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights, one of the LGBTQ advocacy groups fighting the policy, said the legal battle is “far from over.”

“All four cases are proceeding,” he said last month. “Just because an injunction is lifted, doesn’t mean case is over.”

Army Staff Sgt. Patricia King, the first openly transgender infantry soldier in the military, is among those still working to fight the new policy from within.

“I know we are facing an uphill battle," King said shortly after she testified before Congress last month, but “my goal is to right this wrong."
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 07:47 pm
@oralloy,
Here's some more reality...

The Many Ways Ben Carson’s HUD Has Failed Black America
Changing HUD's core mission could mean people of color will continue to have limited options for housing.
Written By Prentiss A. Dantzler
Posted April 20, 2018

In the midst of riots in 1968 after civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. was slain, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Fair Housing Act.

The federal legislation addressed one of the bitterest aspects of racism in the U.S.: segregated housing. It prohibited discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion and national origin when selling and renting housing.

The Department of Housing and Urban Development, or HUD, has administered the act with some success. From 1970 to 2010, the share of African-Americans living in highly segregated neighborhoods declined by half. But in areas that remained highly segregated in 2010, there were no signs of improvement. In several cities, such as Baltimore and Philadelphia, average levels of segregation had actually increased.

My scholarship on public housing and residential mobility demonstrates that where African-American people live is often still limited by discrimination.

Meanwhile, HUD – the department charged with ending housing discrimination – has shifted much of its focus away from that core mission to instead promote economic self-sufficiency.

The effect of this change could mean the discrimination that continues to exist will remain, and people of color will continue to have limited options for housing, attend lower-performing schools and experience poorer health outcomes.

Refocusing HUD’s mission
The Fair Housing Act’s dual mission was to eliminate housing discrimination and to promote residential integration. The communities its authors imagined were desegregated and open to all people.

The first HUD secretary, Robert C. Weaver, believed such places would allow for a diverse mix of people and housing options. This founding tenet is reflected in the mission statement HUD has used since 2010: “HUD’s mission is to create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all.”

However, HUD’s current secretary, Ben Carson, appointed by President Donald Trump, has proposed a new mission statement. It reads: “HUD’s mission is to ensure Americans have access to fair, affordable housing and opportunities to achieve self-sufficiency, thereby strengthening our communities and our nation.”

One of the key differences between these two mission statements is the goal. While the former focused on building inclusive communities, the new mission focuses on individuals being self-sufficient. This shift reflects an age-old debate about the role of the government in helping poor people secure housing. Recent actions by conservatives suggest they are interested in decreasing government assistance for housing to poor people.

For example, the White House’s fiscal year 2019 budget proposal called for slashing HUD’s funding by US$8.8 billion. Shortly thereafter, HUD Secretary Carson tweeted, “The proposed budget is focused on moving more people toward self-sufficiency through reforming rental assistance programs and moving aging public housing to more sustainable platforms.”

On March 23, in lieu of a government shutdown, Congress passed an omnibus bill that actually added money to HUD’s budget. Yet, there is still a possibility that the White House will rescind some of these increases. Conservatives are still split on whether or not they should go against their deal with liberals to save money. This could drastically change the way HUD operates over the next year.

Diminishing role of government
Such efforts to diminish the government’s role in providing housing assistance to the poorest populations is based on historic ideas on the causes of poverty.

Poverty, some people argue, is caused by an individual’s lack of motivation. Blaming other factors out of their control, according to this line of thinking, is a way of not accepting responsibility. This idea is now being translated into housing policy.

The focus on economic self-sufficiency is not new. Starting in the 1980s, HUD linked housing programs and policies with efforts to increase an individual’s ability to support themselves without government assistance.

Promoting self-sufficiency isn’t a bad idea. Raising the income levels of low-income people is a useful endeavor, since housing is often the largest expense among families.

But here’s the problem with focusing on self-sufficiency: It creates the illusion that where people live is solely their choice. It’s not. The market dictates where people can live, and so does discrimination by landlords and mortgage lenders.

Incomes in the U.S. are not increasing at the same rate as housing costs. And as the economy is bouncing back from the Great Recession, housing is becoming increasingly unaffordable for people at nearly all income levels.

So getting people off of housing assistance, while providing training so they can get higher-paying jobs, does not mean they can find affordable housing in the neighborhood of their choice.

To be effective, housing policies must address, not ignore these challenges. A full return to the spirit with which the Fair Housing Act was passed could be a step in the right direction.

If the Fair Housing Act has taught us anything in the last 50 years, it has highlighted that attaining affordable housing is a problem for many people. Focusing on self-sufficiency and turning a blind eye to housing discrimination shifts the focus of housing policy in the United States away from building “inclusive and sustainable communities free from discrimination.”
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 07:49 pm
@neptuneblue,
Denying leftist propaganda is not denying reality. Leftist propaganda is not reality.

I have nothing against transgender people serving in the military, so I differ with the Trump Administration on this issue.

However, the fact remains, Trump is the one who is trying to protect our civil liberties. The Democrats are the ones who are out to violate our civil liberties.

American freedom depends on reelecting Trump.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 07:53 pm
@neptuneblue,
Meh. As long as African Americans hate Republicans no matter what and vote for Democrats no matter what, there is no reason for Republicans to care about their interests.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 08:03 pm
@oralloy,
I'm not quite understanding what your point is.

I'm sure that wasn't meant to sound as horrible as it came across.
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 08:18 pm
@neptuneblue,
Politicians serve the interests of people who will take that service into account when deciding who to vote for.

Politicians don't serve the interests of people who will never vote for them no matter what.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 08:23 pm
@oralloy,
Public Policy serves the people, regardless of political affiliation.

Unless you feel that certain segments of society don't deserve that basic civil right.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 08:45 pm
@neptuneblue,
This is a democracy. Politicians are going to expend their limited energy doing things that will get them reelected.

Expending their limited energy serving the interests of African Americans will not earn Republicans a single vote.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 09:00 pm
@oralloy,
So, doing the right thing, for the right people, at the right time is a leftist point of view.

And the Republicans are wrong.

Hell, I knew THAT already.

Go on, it's quite an interesting conversation...
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 09:09 pm
@neptuneblue,
No. Leftists like to violate people's civil liberties for fun. That is bad.

Republicans protect our civil liberties. That is good.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 09:19 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Republicans protect our civil liberties. That is good.


oralloy wrote:
Expending their limited energy serving the interests of African Americans will not earn Republicans a single vote.


So, it's ok to violate civil liberties if you're Republican. But if you're a Democrat, doing the right thing, for the right people, at the right time, is bad?
oralloy
 
  0  
Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 09:24 pm
@neptuneblue,
Republicans don't violate civil liberties. Republicans protect civil liberties.

Democrats don't do the right thing. Democrats try to violate civil liberties for fun.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 09:38 pm
@oralloy,
I'm still not following what you're saying.

Trump's policies are throwing LBGTQ out of the military, and although you say you disagree with the policy, that IS the reality. But the Republicans are right to do that, because, well, I don't even know, just cuz you say so.

And it's ok to discriminate with housing policies because...black people aren't Republican and they don't vote Republican, so gives a ****...

Ok, it's really hard to have a honest conversation when you're so out there, it's futile to even have a civil discourse, let alone a rational thought from you.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 10:45 pm
@neptuneblue,
I almost suggested that you stop wasting your time with zero-boy...however, you have successfully drawn out his true racist inclinations and moral poverty. If I ever thought he was just a tad feeble and harmless..you have led him to expose himself for what he actually is. Thank you NB
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 11:09 pm
@glitterbag,
The left's tendency to falsely accuse the entire universe of racism is really silly.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Apr, 2019 11:11 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
I'm still not following what you're saying.

It is good that Republicans protect civil liberties.

It is bad that Democrats try to violate civil liberties for fun.


neptuneblue wrote:
Trump's policies are throwing LBGTQ out of the military, and although you say you disagree with the policy, that IS the reality. But the Republicans are right to do that, because, well, I don't even know, just cuz you say so.

I don't say so. I say that I disagree with that policy.


neptuneblue wrote:
And it's ok to discriminate with housing policies because...black people aren't Republican and they don't vote Republican, so gives a ****...

I didn't say that it was OK (or not OK). I just said who gives a....

I feel self-conscious swearing. Sorry.

I don't really object to people swearing. But for some reason I'm not comfortable doing it myself.

But anyway, all I say is that last part. I've never bothered to consider the question of whether it is OK or not.

I don't care for much the same reasons that Republicans don't care. I've got better things to do than waste my time on people who will hate me regardless of what I do.


neptuneblue wrote:
Ok, it's really hard to have a honest conversation when you're so out there, it's futile to even have a civil discourse, let alone a rational thought from you.

All I do is point out facts. That is perfectly rational.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 25 Apr, 2019 04:45 am
@oralloy,
Tru mp has been in two elections. He lost the actual vote in both of them. He Is only in office because of a statistical fluke with a few thousand voters which isn't likely to repeat His policy, and yours of catering only to those who have supported him and alienating everybody else is likely to cause big trouble, when those hard core supporters are only about a third of the voting public
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 25 Apr, 2019 04:54 am
@MontereyJack,
Only one election that I know of.
 

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