Lash
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 07:01 pm
Real progressives.

Esha 🌹🌷🌹
@eshaLegal
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4h
Someone primary this man.
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Chuck Schumer
@SenSchumer
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Now that Julian Assange has been arrested, I hope he will soon be held to account for his meddling in our elections on behalf of Putin and the Russian government.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 07:02 pm
Niko House
@nikoCSFB
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6h
Dick Cheney was never indicted.

Bush was never indicted.

Bolton was never indicted.

Mattis was never indicted.

But Assange, who exposed their horrific war crimes primed and instigated by lies is being arrested over an alleged “attempted computer hack”. #freeassange
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 07:37 pm
@Lash,
The republicans.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 07:46 pm
@Lash,
@Tim_Canova wrote:
Julian Assange now in police custody in London, persecuted for publishing leaks of official corruption & war crimes,

Assange published no leaks of corruption or war crimes committed by any Americans.

Assange did however (deliberately) expose the identity of underground democracy advocates in dictatorships around the world.


@Tim_Canova wrote:
smeared with lies by US intel liars.

Those women who say that Assange raped them are not intelligence agents -- not that it would have been OK for him to rape them even if they were.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 07:48 pm
@Lash,
@TulsiGabbard wrote:
The purpose of arresting #JulianAssange is to send a message to the people, especially journalists, to be quiet and don’t get out of line. If we, the people, allow the government to control us through fear, we are no longer free, we are no longer America.

The purpose of arresting him is to bundle him off him to prison where he belongs.

But if this results in someone getting the message that it's not OK to break the law, that's a desirable side effect.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 07:50 pm
@Lash,
@eshaLegal wrote:
@SenSchumer wrote:
Now that Julian Assange has been arrested, I hope he will soon be held to account for his meddling in our elections on behalf of Putin and the Russian government.
http://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1116403439657943041

Someone primary this man.

Yes. Someone please primary Senator Schumer. Twisted Evil
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 07:56 pm
@Lash,
@nikoCSFB wrote:
Dick Cheney was never indicted.
Bush was never indicted.
Bolton was never indicted.

They never committed any crimes.


@nikoCSFB wrote:
But Assange, who exposed their horrific war crimes

He exposed no war crimes.


@nikoCSFB wrote:
primed and instigated by lies

Leftists feel that they have a right to rape people. Roman Polanski and Bill Clinton are other examples of this.


@nikoCSFB wrote:
is being arrested over an alleged "attempted computer hack". #freeassange

In the short term he was arrested for violating UK law. He'll be serving time for that before he goes anywhere else.

I expect an effort to extradite him to Sweden though so that he can face justice for raping those women.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 11:34 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/09/the-guardian-view-on-julian-assange-it-would-be-wrong-to-extradite-him?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1554831501

The Guardian weighs in on Assange.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 04:30 am
Wider net cast over people who uncover the truth.
Investigative journalists and those who want the truth, your world is changing today.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/the_americas/the-latest-ecuador-minister-says-person-detained-at-airport/2019/04/11/07f728b2-5cbb-11e9-98d4-844088d135f2_story.html

Ola Bini, arrested in Assange case.

Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 04:57 am
@Lash,
'WikiLeaks characterised Assange’s expulsion as retribution for its reporting on corruption accusations against Moreno.
“If President Moreno wants to illegally terminate a refugee publisher’s asylum to cover up an offshore corruption scandal, history will not be kind,” WikiLeaks said in a statement.'

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/3005822/ecuador-arrests-ola-bini-swedish-software-developer-said-be
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 04:58 am
Is Assange’s Arrest a Threat to the Free Press?

Quote:
Last November, federal prosecutors accidentally revealed, in an unrelated court document, that a sealed indictment had been filed against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Many people concerned with civil liberties, including some who despise Assange, were alarmed by the idea that he could be punished for his role in exposing American government secrets. “If Assange can be prosecuted merely for publishing leaked classified documents, every single media outlet is at risk of prosecution for doing the exact same thing,” the lawyer Bradley P. Moss wrote in The Atlantic.

At the time, the public didn’t know what the actual charges were. Now that Assange has been dragged from the Ecuadorean Embassy in London, where he’s lived for almost seven years, and is facing extradition to the United States, we do. He’s been indicted for conspiracy to commit computer intrusion, a result of his alleged attempts nearly a decade ago to help former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning crack a password to a government computer.

These charges do not pose quite the threat to a free press that some feared, because hacking is not standard journalistic practice. “The indictment does not charge Assange for the act of publishing, which would have been a serious Rubicon crossed,” Ben Wizner, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s project on speech, privacy and technology, told me. But, as Wizner emphasizes, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be worried about what Donald Trump’s Justice Department is up to. Elements of the Assange indictment could still set a dangerous precedent.

I don’t say that out of any sympathy for Assange, an odious person who initially sought refuge in the embassy to dodge charges stemming from an alleged sexual assault in Sweden. In the 2016 election, Assange acted as a conduit for Russian intelligence services that had hacked emails from top Democrats. He helped spread the conspiracy theory that the leaked Democratic emails were actually released by Seth Rich, who worked for the Democratic National Committee and who was murdered in 2016. Surely Assange knew this wasn’t true. There is ample evidence of his misogyny and anti-Semitism. He might be known as an information anarchist, but by helping Trump become president, he became a handmaiden to authoritarianism.

So Assange may well deserve to go to prison. What’s troubling, however, is that his indictment treats ordinary news gathering processes as elements of a criminal conspiracy.

The Obama administration made a decision that it couldn’t prosecute Assange for disseminating classified information without threatening the First Amendment. “The problem the department has always had in investigating Julian Assange is there is no way to prosecute him for publishing information without the same theory being applied to journalists,” Matthew Miller, a former Justice Department spokesman, told The Washington Post in 2013.

When Miller said that, the facts underlying the current hacking charge were already known. During Manning’s trial in 2011, military prosecutors revealed chat logs in which Manning asked Assange for help cracking the password. There was no indication, then or now, that Assange succeeded; the Assange indictment says only that the password “would have allowed” Manning to access government computers without entering her own user name.

On Thursday, Miller told me there could be several reasons the Obama Justice Department didn’t pursue a hacking indictment. At the time, Ecuador was less willing to turn Assange over. “There’s no reason to bring a case against him when you can’t actually put your hands on him,” said Miller. And while he believes that the hacking charge is justified, he said, “This is not the world’s strongest case.”

But the Justice Department’s desire to nail Assange for publishing information leaked by Manning never went away. Miller said that both former Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein wanted to take a new look at the case. It’s a relief that they found a way to make the case without a frontal assault on journalistic prerogatives. Still, if you read the indictment, a lot of things that journalists do routinely are part of Assange’s alleged crime.

“It was part of the conspiracy that Assange and Manning took measures to conceal Manning as the source of the disclosure of classified records to WikiLeaks,” says the indictment. Most if not all investigative journalists take such measures to protect their sources. The indictment says, “It was part of the conspiracy that Assange encouraged Manning to provide information and records from departments and agencies of the United States.” Journalists often do this when they urge whistle-blowers to come forward. “It was part of the conspiracy that Assange and Manning used a special folder on a cloud drop box of WikiLeaks” to transmit classified information, the indictment continues. Like many news organizations, The New York Times does something similar, soliciting tips through an encrypted submission system called SecureDrop.

For any of these actions to become part of a criminal conspiracy, there has to be a crime. But as Georgetown law professor David Super points out, “We have right now a criminal code that is bursting at the seams with offenses,” making it easy to break laws without realizing it.

A prosecutor, then, might be able to find a pretext for a similar conspiracy case if, for example, someone decides to leak the Mueller report, or Trump’s tax returns. “This pattern of behavior has already been turned against journalists in many parts of the world,” Super said. Journalists “get prosecuted for pretty mundane stuff, some of which they probably did, but they wouldn’t have been charged for if they didn’t make the regime unhappy.”

Assange seems to have thought that, by helping elect Trump, he would improve his own situation. As Julia Ioffe reported in The Atlantic, in 2016 WikiLeaks suggested to Donald Trump Jr. that Trump should lean on Australia to have Assange, an Australian citizen, appointed ambassador to the United States. Roger Stone, a Trump adviser who was indicted in part for lying about his communications with WikiLeaks, reportedly told an associate that he was trying to get Assange a pre-emptive presidential pardon. Now Assange has discovered, as so many others have before him, that betting on Trump can ruin your life. There’s a certain dark satisfaction in that. But any legal theory that Trump’s Justice Department uses against Assange can also be used against the rest of us.

nyt/goldberg

I hope he never gets extradited to the USA, but personally I don't see him as any kind of free speech "hero" or sainted "investigative journalist". I think of him as a provocateur, moved to act not by principle as much as delight in "giving the finger to the system". There's an amorality about him that reminds me of the behavior of trolls on 4chan. I hope he serves time in Britain for jumping bail and then disappears to live a happy life raising orchids in an undisclosed location. His fifteen minutes of fame have gone on too long.
Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 05:06 am
There certainly will be other Assange's and Manning's in the future.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 05:34 am
@Brand X,
If so, democracy will suffer.

Hopefully the government will do better at putting future versions in prison before they do too much damage.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 05:38 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
I hope he never gets extradited to the USA,

I hope the US government assassinates him if he isn't eventually extradited to us. Although I think we should wait for the UK and Sweden to get done with him before we take our turn.


hightor wrote:
I hope he serves time in Britain for jumping bail and then disappears to live a happy life raising orchids in an undisclosed location.

I hope he answers for the crimes that he committed.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 05:38 am
@hightor,
Initially, I was a vocal fan of the fellow because I respected the stated rationale for his project - working to minimize government secrecy which often functioned to isolate and protect those in power and to hide the specifics of how they maintained power. I saw that (I still do) as a valid journalistic effort and one that held real promise through its potential effectiveness. It's first big data release that published a recording (visual and sound) of pilots in a chopper operating in Iraq killing innocent people was an important and valuable communication to the public of things they deserve to know and should know. I did not for a second accept the criticism that this particular data release "put other American lives in danger" and I still don't.

One reason why I held that position for probably longer than I should have was that everybody hated and feared Wikileaks. Nations's leaders hated him, banks hated him, consulting/PR operations working covertly and in the service of bad guys hated him, mercenary operations hated him. He was gathering up, I felt, exactly the right enemies.

But the shitty aspects of Assange's personality began to emerge and I had to shift gears on the fellow. But his project - an analysis of how secrecy permits existing power structures to dominate and a strategy for discovering/revealing these hidden facts remain a valid and necessary project, I believe. The danger of this project though is it has a singular vector - dismantling power structures. What might replace them and how were never features of the project and were not the concern of most supporters.

And I'll add that there's no question Trump and allies desire only the pretense of a free, active and independent press. The real thing scares them because of what they will seek to reveal.



oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 06:02 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
a recording (visual and sound) of pilots in a chopper operating in Iraq killing innocent people

People who fire rocket propelled grenades at American soldiers are hardly innocent.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 06:14 am
@ggreenwald

'What changed for Dems? Why, when they had power under Obama, did they choose *not to prosecute Assange* on the ground doing so would endanger press freedoms, but now cheer Trump DOJ for indicting him? The answer is obvious: Assange published docs that made Dems look bad in 2016.'
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 06:35 am
Must must must read
Here is what I've been talking about - bad actors purposefully trying to sew division between Sanders' supporters and Democrats/Clinton to increase the chances of Trump winning the election.
Quote:
After Bernie Sanders lost his primary campaign for president against Hillary Clinton in 2016, a Twitter account called Red Louisiana News reached out to his supporters to help sway the general election. “Conscious Bernie Sanders supporters already moving towards the best candidate Trump! #Feel the Bern #Vote Trump 2016,” the account tweeted.

The tweet was not actually from Louisiana, according to an analysis by Clemson University researchers. Instead, it was one of thousands of accounts identified as based in Russia, part of a cloaked effort to persuade supporters of the Vermont senator to elect Trump. “Bernie Sanders says his message resonates with Republicans,” said another Russian tweet.

While much attention has focused on the question of whether the Trump campaign encouraged or conspired with Russia, the effort to target Sanders supporters has been a lesser-noted part of the story. Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, in a case filed last year against 13 Russians accused of interfering in the U.S. presidential campaign, said workers at a St. Petersburg facility called the Internet Research Agency were instructed to write social media posts in opposition to Clinton but “to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.”

...But that was only one element of the Russian effort to target Sanders supporters, the researchers said. Many thousands of other tweets, with no direct reference to Sanders, were also designed to appeal to his backers, urging them to do anything but vote for Clinton in the general election.

...Around the same time that Sanders was featured on RT, Russian employees at the Internet Research Agency were given a document explaining how to influence the U.S. election. The workers were told to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” according to Mueller’s indictment of the Russians.

...Linvill, the Clemson researcher, said Sanders was seen as “just a tool” to the Russians. “He is a wedge to drive into the Democratic Party,” resulting in lower turnout for Clinton, he said. The tweets suggested either voting for Trump or a third-party candidate such as Green Party nominee Jill Stein, or writing in Sanders’s name.
WP - more here

The research and reporting here is related to Russian efforts to sway the election using this particular propaganda trick. But it would be foolish in the extreme to imagine that GOP operatives aren't up to exactly the same thing and they will be forwarding Russian sourced propaganda because it matches their own strategies.

We can see the consequences here. Lash and Edgar (sorry, Ed, but it is the case) are themselves forwarding this stuff. They are clearly imbibing it via the social media systems they are involved with and which the bad actors are using. And that will be true for many others as well where their "information" sources are the same.

In Edgar's case, I'm convinced that he is well-intentioned. But I think he's clearly been influenced by this stuff.

blatham
 
  2  
Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 07:17 am
And now here's Hannity doing a different but very predictable propaganda move
Quote:
Sean Hannity suggests with no evidence that “Bernie supporters” were behind DNC and Clinton campaign email hacks
Media Matters

As always, this jerkwad is operating in bad faith. He's turning to an inexcusable, unwarranted attack on Sanders almost certainly because of Sanders' polling.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 07:24 am
On Sanders, taxes and wealth.
Quote:

So What if Bernie Sanders is a Millionaire
Sanders does not appear to be an anti-capitalist in the strictest sense — his brand of social democracy is compatible with capitalism, even as it seeks to regulate it and loosen its grip on the American worker — but even if he were, his wealth wouldn’t make him a fraud. Socialism does not demand asceticism.
NYMag

I think this gets it exactly right.
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