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Are they really going to try this?

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At President Trump’s first rally since the end of the 22-month Russia investigation, his supporters shouted about a woman who is guaranteed not to feature opposite him on the ballot in 2020.

She’s a Democrat, elected to Congress from New York.

It wasn’t only Hillary Clinton — Trump’s adversary since 2016, and the GOP’s since the 1990s — who was irking the crowd in Grand Rapids, Mich., on Thursday. Their calls to “Lock her up!” had quieted.

It was Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — the 29-year-old freshman congresswoman whose social-media megaphone has rallied left-wing Democrats and rocketed her to national stardom — whose name was on their lips. Or, for brevity, AOC.

“AOC sucks!” they cried, breaking into the crude refrain as the president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., assailed Ocasio-Cortez in warm-up remarks for his father...

WP

Two aspects here, I think. First, both were/are figures dangerous to GOP electoral chances. Second, both are women. It's that second part that is particularly vile. It's not news that our culture commonly deems ambition and bold speech in males as a good thing but those same descriptors, in a woman, are seen as inappropriate (get in your domestic lane, lady) and shrewish. I'm a bit surprised women haven't just murdered all of us males.

Edit: If not clear, I'm suggesting here that the misogyny that under-pinned so much of the anti-Hillary rhetoric from the right is being transferred over to AOC. I'm guessing that GOP polling, focus groups, etc have been indicating that the anti-Hillary cliche is starting to look silly, opportunistic and false given her distance from power and media attention. But it was effective as propaganda. So, let's shift it over to this dangerous, high profile young woman.

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@blatham,

Politico wrote:

President Donald Trump feels vindicated. And now he's out for blood.

Rightly so. We need to prosecute a bunch of these leftists and send them to prison where they belong.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Politico wrote:
President Donald Trump feels vindicated. And now he's out for blood.

Rightly so. We need to prosecute a bunch of these leftists and send them to prison where they belong.

Idk what the solution is, but it's not right to prosecute and persecute people for the sake of political gain. I don't think Trump or any other anti-socialist is ever harassed except as punishment for failing to support socialist economic governance.

Trump has interfered with trade as a mechanism for global-redistribution and with the southern border as a mechanism for shipping in low-wage slaves (trafficked humans) and drugs and that is the reason he's been under attack, imo, regardless of what other reasons his critics deploy to legitimate their attacks.

How about having democratic public discourse on these issues instead of deciding the goals behind the scenes and then rewarding/punishing people according to whether they fall in line with supporting the goals or not?

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@livinglava,

I disagree. These leftists need some long prison time.

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It took Trump 90 seconds to lie about the “Mueller report” during Michigan speech

Less than two minutes into President Donald Trump’s speech in Grand Rapids, Michigan, he lied about special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report.

“The collusion delusion is over,” Trump said on Thursday night, in his first speech since Attorney General Bill Barr announced some of Mueller’s key conclusions on Sunday. “The special counsel completed its report and found no collusion and no obstruction.”

Vox

It is no surprise that Trump, a pathological liar, would do this. It is the way he always operates. What is so depressing is that the people in that audience are so misinformed and so unthinking that they happily gobble it up.

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@Olivier5,

Of course this innocent joke was tagged NSFW. :-) You can post the most racist or violent message here, but don't you ever dare joke about penisses.

Same thing on facebook: post the tiniest nipple and their algorithms will pull it off in a matter of seconds, but you'll be A-okay if you post a video of a terrorist pumping bullets into dozens of people....

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@Olivier5,

I didn't see your joke, but you're right, it is kind of a pick your poison kind of a thing of what gets a pass on social media and what does not. It's in the eyes of the moderators.

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@blatham,

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It is no surprise that Trump, a pathological liar,

It is no surprise another pathological liar would post that.

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@neptuneblue,

My school sends guidance counselors to see what’s wrong. Many of our families are struggling with life-altering problems.

We attempt to help solve their problem and connect them with community resources.

Harris thought hail time would get them in line.

One is a liberal response; one is draconian.

Kamala is a Republican cop.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

If that’s indeed the case, i would guess she hasn’t studied the Quran. Not only Jesus but also Mary is seen as a big deal in there. Mary was the most pure and holy woman, hence Allah sent her his spirit so she would conceive without knowing a man.

It is written that when she was a child, all the scholars fought among themselves for the right to be her teacher.

Jesus is most often called ‘son of Mary’ (ibn Myriam) in the Quran, to my knowledge the only person named in reference to his mother in this book.

Scorekeeper: Your infraction here was not that you didn’t agree. It’s that you didn’t agree to the approved extent. You then compounded your offense by moving on to a point of interest that was not fully understood by the speakleaders and seemed to water down the emphasis on your already questionable support of their opinion.

Minus 5

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

I didn't see your joke, but you're right, it is kind of a pick your poison kind of a thing of what gets a pass on social media and what does not. It's in the eyes of the moderators.

Exactly, it's subjective; one person's offense is another's triviality. For me, sex is the source of all life, while violence is a force of death, and I kinda like life more than death... But that's just me I guess.

The dose makes the poison, too. I understand a ban on pornography on A2K. Of course I wouldn't want to see on my favorite threads at 7 pm a series of gif pics of juicy vaginas pounded by mighty dildos. Perish the thought...

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@Lash,

I disagree.

With the "no Child Left Behind" laws, school funding is tied to student attendance records. If they can't get kids in the door, the school looses funding.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/section/multimedia/no-child-left-behind-overview-definition-summary.html

https://www.attendanceworks.org/new-federal-education-law-includes-chronic-absence-tracking-training/

Excerpt:

In the first instance, chronic absenteeism appears on a list of metrics (page 47) that must be included on report cards that states submit to the federal government. Under the new law’s language, the information must be broken down by various student subgroups, including racial and ethnic identity and disability status, as well as homeless and foster care students. You’ll notice the same section also calls for tracking suspensions and expulsions, which also contribute to school absenteeism. Here’s the language:

‘‘(viii) Information submitted by the State educational agency and each local educational agency in the State, in accordance with data collection conducted pursuant to section 203(c)(1) of the Department of Education Organization Act (20 U.S.C. 3413(c)(1)), on—
‘‘(I) measures of school quality, climate, and safety, including rates of in-school suspensions, out-of-school suspensions, expulsions, school-related arrests, referrals to law enforcement, chronic absenteeism (including both excused and unexcused absences), incidences of violence, including bullying and harassment; and
In the second instance, chronic absenteeism appears on a list of professional development topics (page 128) for which schools and districts can use federal dollars to provide training under Title II:

‘‘(iv) addressing issues related to school conditions for student learning, such as safety, peer interaction, drug and alcohol abuse, and chronic absenteeism;

The measure provides no definition of chronic absence, except to say that it includes excused and unexcused absences. Attendance Works and several states define it as missing 10 percent of the school year, or about 18 days. The new law says that when states submit their report cards, they must use the federal government’s reporting requirements. Here’s the exact language:

“Information submitted by the State educational agency and each local educational agency in the State, in accordance with data collection conducted pursuant to section 203(c)(1) of the Department of Education Organization Act (20 U.S.C. 3413(c)(1)),”

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@Lash,

A misunderstanding, no doubt.

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@neptuneblue,

Not surprised you advocate arrest of parents with no explanation.

You do you.

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@Lash,

A very thoughtful and well researched answer, Lash.

I wasn't aware I needed your permission to be me.

I disagree with your point of view, no more, no less.

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@neptuneblue,

My life is the research. I work at a Title 1 school where our kids have horrific barriers to survival—education is a special treat. If we arrested all the parents of kids with excessive absences, about 300 kids would be forced into foster care.

There are myriad reasons kids miss multiple times. All of them require help from dedicated professionals—not the addition of yet another insurmountable barrier.

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@Lash,

And I do completely understand that.

However, you offered this article as proof Kamala Harris isn't fit to be president. This is your reasoning, she put truant children's parents in jail. I see a different side of her, the willingness to take on a challenge.

Will I vote for her just because of this reason? I don't know. On the flip side, I'm not going to count her out just because of it either.

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@neptuneblue,

Hard to believe she'd be smearing Dem candidates.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

---- It is no surprise that Trump, a pathological liar, would do this. It is the way he always operates. What is so depressing is that the people in that audience are so misinformed and so unthinking that they happily gobble it up.

Do you really know that Trump's audience was composed of "misinformed and unthinking" people who "happily gobble up " what he has to say? Some or many may well turn out to be well-informed, independent, clear thinking people who simply like what they heard, and are tired of the increasingly authoritarian prescriptions coming from the self-appointed liberal elite. It's possible !

It is also possible that some or many of the consumers of the liberal propaganda coming from you and others here and in the media also have their share of misinformed unthinking people, happily gobbling up whatever they are served up.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

...Some or many may well turn out to be well-informed, independent, clear thinking people who simply like what they heard...

Do you think they were the ones chanting "AOC Sucks!!" over and over?

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