camlok
 
  1  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:04 am
@revelette1,
A totally racist nation [no, not all USians] needs these to operate the way it wants to operate.
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camlok
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:07 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
No doubt in my mind that you would be an outstanding victim.


Oh, the grand hypocrisy, coldjoint. That is the US's and your total shtick.

Spoken with the usual gap toothed snarl Oh, poor little us, attacked by people when we ain't done nuttin' atall!
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mysteryman841
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:20 am
@revelette1,
The left constantly proves it is racist.
You hear the word monkey and automatically assume it is a racist comment.

Am I allowed to use a monkey wrench now?
Can my grandkids play on monkey bars anymore?

You claim to not be racist, but you immediately assume racism when you hear a word.


Are you a racist?
edgarblythe
 
  3  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:22 am
@mysteryman841,
What's monkey bars got to do with calling a human being a monkey?
camlok
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:24 am
@mysteryman841,
You don't have the necessary language skills, as pointed out by Edgar, to make these decisions, mm. You are an acolyte of a serial, pants on fire liar, so why would anyone believe anything you say.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:24 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
What's monkey bars got to do with calling a human being a monkey?

No one called anyone a monkey.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:34 am

This is not progress, it is fascist group think from Google.
camlok
 
  1  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:36 am
@coldjoint,
Hey, coldjoint, celebrate these things. It is the propagandist, lying USA!!

And you know you love propaganda, Trump lies, USA lies.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:50 am
@mysteryman841,
mysteryman841 wrote:

The left constantly proves it is racist.
You hear the word monkey and automatically assume it is a racist comment.



Quote:
White people linking black people to monkeys has been a racist trope for centuries.

That's why when Florida Rep. Ron DeSantis, the Republican nominee for governor, used the phrase "monkey this up" when talking about the handling of the economy by his black Democratic opponent, it was hard to believe that the word choice was an accident.

Andrew Gillum, the youngest person ever elected to the Tallahassee City Commission, and the current mayor of the city, would be the state's first black governor if elected. Every Sunshine State voter knows this. So why would DeSantis -- a Yale and Harvard graduate -- make such a well-documented, racially-charged remark on the opening day of the gubernatorial competition?


https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/opinions/gillum-wise-not-to-take-monkey-comment-bait-granderson/index.html

Quote:
A man with two Ivy League degrees is aware of the ramifications of linking black people to monkeys. Firing up a small fraction of his base is one result. Making his opponent's entire campaign all about being offended is another.


context matters (and recognition of whether it is political baiting or something else)

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/khl-investigating-racist-incident-after-bananas-thrown-at-edwin-hedberg-post-game

whether in Russia, Canada, the US or anywhere else



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mysteryman841
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 11:58 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
What's monkey bars got to do with calling a human being a monkey?


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ron-desantis-andrew-gillum-monkey-this-up_us_5b86ad7ae4b0162f471e75da

Quote:
“The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state,” said DeSantis to Smith



So tell me, where in that statement is DeSantis calling anyone a monkey?

And since he isnt, it has to be the word monkey that offends you.
So, monkey bars, monkey wrench, the Monkees, etc. any use of the word monkey must be what offends you.
camlok
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 12:28 pm
@mysteryman841,
You go ahead and prove what I said [in my previous post to you] to be dead on right
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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 01:20 pm
@mysteryman841,
You know as well as I do it was worded that way so he could make you think of the Democrat as a non human and then claim he didn't.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 01:35 pm
@mysteryman841,
mysteryman841 wrote:
Quote:

“The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state,” said DeSantis to Smith


So tell me, where in that statement is DeSantis calling anyone a monkey?


The name calling is taken to be implied given the history of the word's use as a pejoriative against black people, and used as a double-entendre.

It was a poor choice of phrase by DeSantis given Smith's race.

Generally, it's assumed that double-entendres with racist connotations are weilded intentionally against groups and members thereof if the expressions contain words that have been used to slur those groups.

In Israel, cartoonist, Avi Katz who is himself Jewish, was fired by the Jerusalem Report for portraying Benjamin Netanahu and his fellow Knesset Members as the pigs in George Orwell's Animal Farm after they passed their nation-state law because of the implication that he was calling them pigs, an old slur against Jews.

https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_ControlFaceDetect/428242

It has nothing to do with left/right politics. Katz's critics are as right-wing as you are.
camlok
 
  0  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 02:12 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
In Israel, cartoonist, Avi Katz who is himself Jewish, was fired by the Jerusalem Report for portraying Benjamin Netanahu and his fellow Knesset Members as the pigs in George Orwell's Animal Farm after they passed their nation-state law because of the implication that he was calling them pigs, an old slur against Jews.


Bad example, Infra. That firing was obviously political. Clearly the reference to AF was there. Calling them pigs in that manner would be the same as Mr Katz calling himself a pig.

He obviously didn't intend that. He intended to call out the politicians/the power people, who were portrayed as pigs, in AF.

Pigs are generally much smarter than a lot of "humans".
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 02:24 pm
@camlok,
The brouhaha over DeSantis is political as well.

Katz wasn't referring to himself or Jews in his cartoon. He was likening Netanyahu and his Knesset cronies specifically to the pig characters in Animal Farm who deemed themselves more equal than others.

But your assessment brings up the fact that many things can be read into expressions, especially those aimed at minorities.
maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 02:25 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

You know as well as I do it was worded that way so he could make you think of the Democrat as a non human and then claim he didn't.


That's exactly right.

That's why these are called dog whistles. The racist fucks can hear the sound and get all excited and the rest of us don't hear anything or can at least claim that we don't.
InfraBlue
 
  3  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 02:30 pm
@maporsche,
Like when Tump said that he wanted more Norwegian immigrants.
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camlok
 
  0  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 02:31 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
Katz wasn't referring to himself or Jews in his cartoon. He was likening Netanyahu and his Knesset cronies specifically to the pig characters in Animal Farm who deemed themselves more equal than others.


Precisely. The characters could have been dogs or cats or horses or ... . You should read the book so you can understand what his obvious reference was. Had he been calling Netanyahu and his Knesset cronies pigs that would have been a good thing because pigs were chosen because of their intelligence.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 02:37 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

Quote:
Katz wasn't referring to himself or Jews in his cartoon. He was likening Netanyahu and his Knesset cronies specifically to the pig characters in Animal Farm who deemed themselves more equal than others.


Precisely. The characters could have been dogs or cats or horses or ... . You should read the book so you can understand what his obvious reference was. Had he been calling Netanyahu and his Knesset cronies pigs that would have been a good thing because pigs were chosen because of their intelligence.

I've read the book.

Katz wasn't addressing their intelligence. He was addressing their hypocrisy, comparable to that of the pigs in the novel.
camlok
 
  0  
Reply Thu 30 Aug, 2018 02:38 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
Katz wasn't addressing their intelligence. He was addressing their hypocrisy, comparable to that of the pigs in the novel.


Duuuuuuuhhhhh. Logical connections are not your forte, Infra.
 

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