hightor
 
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Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 07:22 am
@blatham,
Quote:
He doesn’t deserve blame for any specific attack. He does deserve blame for the increase in white-nationalist violence.


It's analogous to the 'climate vs weather' situation, isn't it — right-wing populism heats up the political climate, specific violent events occur depending on local conditions.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 07:27 am
@hightor,
It is analogous.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 07:30 am
Anybody believing Beto's announced 24 hour total of 6 millions came mostly from the people, I have a used Chevy Vega with only 20,000 miles on it in pristine condition to sell you.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 07:46 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
I have a used Chevy Vega with only 20,000 miles on it in pristine condition to sell you.

Wow, I'd snap that right up! I need a new winter "beater".

Seriously, wouldn't that be kind of stupid to make that claim were it false? Couldn't it be checked pretty easily?

Edit: found this in the NYT:
Quote:
Now the question is whether he can sustain that level of support. Mr. Sanders raised his first $10 million quickly in February, much of it in small contributions. There is no way to independently confirm either candidate’s initial contributions; Mr. O’Rourke, Mr. Sanders and the rest of the presidential hopefuls must file fund-raising reports at the end of March. Those first-quarter filings will be made public on April 15.

Mr. O’Rourke’s aides would not say what their average contribution was or how many total donors contributed within the first 24 hours of his bid. As in his Senate race, he did not accept any money from political action committees.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 08:04 am
@hightor,
This seems to be an idea originating in the pro-Sanders universe. And it seems to be a strategy either of minimizing or denigrating candidates other than Sanders. It could of course also have its origins in players of malign intent who seek to create division on the left, a situation we now ought to understand WILL be in effect... Russia does not want a Dem in the WH. And if you were running such a project, you'd probably have trolls pretending to be Beto supporters who then attack Sanders. Divide and conquer.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 08:10 am
Quote:
David Axelrod
‏Verified account
@davidaxelrod
In 2007, the early ability of @BarackObama to raise eye-popping funds, a bunch of it online, bought him the time to work our the kinks and become the candidate we all remember. @BetoORourke has the same opportunity because of his enthusiastic base.

I do expect that this opinion will be harshly dismissed by Lash on the rationale that Axelrod said it.
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maporsche
 
  3  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 08:56 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Anybody believing Beto's announced 24 hour total of 6 millions came mostly from the people, I have a used Chevy Vega with only 20,000 miles on it in pristine condition to sell you.


Where else would it have come from?

Corporations cannot donate to candidates.
He's saying he didn't take any PAC money.

What other options are there edgar?
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 09:03 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

This seems to be an idea originating in the pro-Sanders universe. And it seems to be a strategy either of minimizing or denigrating candidates other than Sanders. It could of course also have its origins in players of malign intent who seek to create division on the left, a situation we now ought to understand WILL be in effect... Russia does not want a Dem in the WH. And if you were running such a project, you'd probably have trolls pretending to be Beto supporters who then attack Sanders. Divide and conquer.


Do you remember when progressives asked the rest of us to only consider a candidates positions and not their personality? That didn't last long on their part.
revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 09:26 am
@maporsche,
Well I don't mean to be on any divide and conquer but I don't get the appeal of Beto but I don't deny it exist.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 09:51 am
@revelette1,
I think it would be silly to rush to judgment — "Oh, here's the new JFK, I'm going to vote for him!" Give it some time and see how well he does on the campaign trail. I'm sure the bulk of the initial contributions came from people who were already familiar with him from the recent Texas race, people who'd backed him before. Like the support Sanders got in his first week.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 10:20 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
George appears pissed that some people can sustain and maintain their intellectual honesty better than he can.

His intellectual honesty has not faltered. By contrast, many of the leftists here have never had any intellectual honesty in the first place.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 10:34 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
His intellectual honesty has not faltered.

George has made it clear he does not agree with the group think. That turns him into an enemy and evil person. Of course he is not, but when no facts back up his detractors they will revert to personal attacks.
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snood
 
  2  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 10:43 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

Anybody believing Beto's announced 24 hour total of 6 millions came mostly from the people, I have a used Chevy Vega with only 20,000 miles on it in pristine condition to sell you.


Where else would it have come from?

Corporations cannot donate to candidates.
He's saying he didn't take any PAC money.

What other options are there edgar?


Good question
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Brand X
 
  2  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 10:49 am
If Beto got paid per platitude he'd have a quadrillion dollars.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 10:56 am
@Brand X,
Isn't his name Robert? I thought "Beto" was just his pandering to Hispanics in Texas. Does he think that will playout across the US?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 11:07 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Does he think that will playout across the US?

It will, no doubt, get him 100% of the illegal vote.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 11:17 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Isn't his name Robert? I thought "Beto" was just his pandering to Hispanics in Texas. Does he think that will playout across the US?


Quote:
Cruz’s ad, a country jingle, said: “If you are going to run in Texas, you can’t be a liberal man. I remember reading stories, liberal Robert wanted to fit in. So he changed his name to Beto and hid it with a grin.”

...The origin of O’Rourke’s Hispanic-sounding first name has been captured in almost every profile of the rising Democrat: “Beto” is a childhood nickname that stuck. And ironically, when it comes to first names, O’Rourke and Cruz have something in common: Cruz goes by “Ted,” but he was born Rafael Edward Cruz. Cruz didn’t shy away from that when asked to defend the ad, instead launching into a story about his Cuban immigrant father.
Vox
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Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 11:20 am
@McGentrix,
The DNC will change his name to Bernie Sanders if that's what it takes to get him elected and not Bernie.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 11:58 am
Quote:
Fox’s Chris Wallace pointed out that before allegedly massacring 50 people at two mosques, the New Zealand shooter declared that he supports Trump “as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.” Wallace asked Mulvaney: “What does the president think of that?”

Mulvaney replied that it is not “fair” to cast the shooter as a “supporter of Donald Trump.” Wallace pressed Mulvaney on Trump’s history of anti-Muslim remarks — which is long and ugly — and noted that just after the shooting, Trump described immigrants as an “invasion,” just as the alleged shooter did. He asked why Trump won’t state clearly that “there is no place in America for this kind of hatred.”

Mulvaney repeatedly brushed off Wallace’s questions, bridled at the suggestion that the violence was Trump’s “fault,” and whined: “I’m not sure what more you want the president to do.”

What’s particularly reprehensible about this performance is what’s hiding in plain sight: There are no signs that Trump is troubled by the fact that the man who allegedly murdered dozens of people because of their Muslim faith sees him as a symbol of the devotion to protecting white identity that drove this act.
Greg Sargent

The bolded portion is true and it is self-evident. This is not small or unimportant thing. Trump's personal notions re white supremacy can be inferred by his words and actions but I'm not prepared to say he is himself a white supremacist.

But that doesn't matter. It is irrelevant. What is relevant is that through failing to identify the growing white nationalist movement because to do so might cause him to lose political support from that portion of his base, Trump demonstrates that he is less concerned with all the victims murdered in such attacks (and the future murders that are bound to follow) than his own personal situation.

As I've noted before (please check, please do) Trump matches almost every characteristic of a sociopath. This is just one more example on top of many, many others.

What seems utterly clear to me is that America, as a community, is having a very rough time coming to grips with even the possibility that such a personality could end up in the WH. Many clearly believe that "it couldn't happen here". There are magical ideas in this mix, for sure - notions about the unique aspects of American culture and history that will inevitably ward off such an evil long before it comes to fruition. And one can understand this. Who among us thought it was a real possibility?

It is long past time to confront what is going on but there's another impediment. Mulvaney is just a contemporary example. We have almost all Republicans in office or citizens retaining their support for Trump. To put that more starkly, US conservatism is now functioning to further the actions and personal interests of a sociopath.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Mon 18 Mar, 2019 12:07 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
personal interests of a sociopath.

When and if Trump s ever diagnosed as a sociopath after being treated and seen personally by an accredited doctor people might believe it. Until then it is a lie and hyperbole from devious name calling useful idiots and means nothing at all. Coming from a known liar like Blatham it is even more ridiculous.
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