blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 01:34 pm
Quote:
Today the House of Representatives passed H.R. 1, the Democrats’ political reform bill, and though Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) will never allow it to be considered in the Senate, it’s still an important statement of what Democrats believe in and what they intend to do if and when they gain control of Congress and the White House, say after next year’s elections.

The bill contains a lot of different provisions, but I want to zero in on one set: those concerning voting.

Again and again, McConnell has asserted that this bill is nothing more than an attempt to alter the system so more Democrats can get elected. As he wrote in The Post, “Their proposal is simply a naked attempt to change the rules of American politics to benefit one party. It should be called the Democrat Politician Protection Act.”

I’m not sure if McConnell understands what a startling admission that is on his part.

Because what McConnell is saying is that if our voting system were more efficient, more open and more fair, then the inevitable result would be fewer Republicans winning elections. In other words, Republican success depends on the system working in ways that restrict access to the ballot.

I happen to think that's fairly obvious and has been for some time. But it's remarkable to hear the second most powerful Republican in America admit it.

Let’s run through the major voting provisions in the bill and consider exactly how they might harm the fortunes of the GOP:
Waldman WP

By the by, one of the key GOP players in the voter fraud scam has been Hans von Spakovsky. TPM has maintained a large archive on this sleazy bastard for years but also Janey Mayer did a piece on him back in 2012 that is essential reading New Yorker
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 01:49 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Janey Mayer

Is not a credible source. She is a hater with a platform.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 02:15 pm
Take a good look at the losers your progressive whining and bullshit have created. You have severely damaged a lot of young people, and every other person to lazy to think on their own, of all ages and colors. It is also destroying this county.

Well worth watching.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 03:51 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Lash as progressive is such a pathetic charade. Lash as life-long conservative and attacker of Democrats is all too familiar.

Let’s see if on-going personal harassment really is against the TOS.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 04:07 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Let’s see if on-going personal harassment really is against the TOS.

Good luck, claiming that has never helped me. You are dealing with an untouchable. A legend in his mind and apparently there are those that agree with him in control. He is burnt out and out of touch.
Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 04:11 pm
@coldjoint,
I’m just wanting equal time.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 05:11 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
You don't here reveal much imagination, reasoning ability or ability to recognize your own limits as an "observer" of Trump's inner motivations.

I know you've expressed some reservations about your president's Twitter habits and occasional lapses of good taste. I think you're a reasonable guy — so I can't understand why you aren't appalled by his behavior. I know that you're pleased to see some long called for conservative measures being enacted but that doesn't absolve the president from coarsening the political dialog, running on full campaign mode since being elected, and making absolutely no attempts to reach out beyond the resentful and fearful people that make up the core of his base. Wouldn't you rather see Portman, Kasich, Romney, or maybe even Weld leading your party and the country? Assuming Trump runs again, would you think of supporting a challenger in '20?


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georgeob1
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 05:45 pm
@hightor,
Just back from a lunch with a group of San Francisco judges, attorneys, union bosses and a few academics & former professional athletes , that meets weekly for some garrulous talk, eating and drinking in a place on Fisherman's Wharf. An interesting mixture of viewpoints on the issues of this thread as well.

hightor wrote:

Quote:
You don't here reveal much imagination, reasoning ability or ability to recognize your own limits as an "observer" of Trump's inner motivations.

I know you've expressed some reservations about your president's Twitter habits and occasional lapses of good taste. I think you're a reasonable guy — so I can't understand why you aren't appalled by his behavior. I know that you're pleased to see some long called for conservative measures being enacted but that doesn't absolve the president from coarsening the political dialog, running on full campaign mode since being elected, and making absolutely no attempts to reach out beyond the resentful and fearful people that make up the core of his base. Wouldn't you rather see Portman, Kasich, Romney, or maybe even Weld leading your party and the country? Assuming Trump runs again, would you think of supporting a challenger in '20?


Outrage among humans is a very strange and often irrational thing. People are outraged by the risks associated with nuclear power, even though the expected outcome ( damage done x probability of occurrence) is as good deal less than four or five skiing trips per year or even simply driving a car regularly.

The outrage to which you refer in Trump's case is mostly about superficial things in his manner of speech; his relentless overstatement and repetition of the same memes, etc.. I would prefer that he did not have these habits, but I don't believe the Republican alternatives you mentioned would have been half as committed and effective in enacting policies that I believe are essential for our country. These include Trump's well known economic successes in stimulating business investment, increased employment and accelerated economic growth, together with other issues like enforcing our laws, restraining the largely unaccountable bureaucratic regulatory state that has grown over the last few decades as lazy Congresses enacted legislation in effect conferring legislative and judicial power in these growing bureaucracies, many of which now have their own uniformed police, "administrative" judges empowered to levy large fines, and in some cases seize property.

These changes will likely last a good deal longer than will memories of Trump's many gaucheries. Moreover I see every bit as much "coarsening of our political dialogue coming from the absurd fashion of group identities and the several "isms" now being hurled about by a liberal establishment that increasingly appears to have lost its ability to detect it's own failures and limitations. Indeed I find the juxtaposition of the evident inability of the liberal establishment to see and recognize its own failures, coupled with its unlimited enthusiasm to invade more and more of the lives of our citizens to be the most dangerous element of contemporary American life.

I generally favor less government (but all of it accountable to the people) , more individual freedom and responsibility, more private (i.e. non government) civic activity in shaping our culture, and a preference for local government over central or Federal government in handling issues. This is more or less the same set of features by which Alexis de Tocqueville distinguished the ( successful in his eyes) American Revolution from the top-down, authoritarian French one in his "Democracy in America".
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 06:57 pm
Funny bit from Steve Benen on Shine.
Quote:
According to Spinal Tap's WikiPedia page, the band has had five drummers. Donald Trump has now named six White House communications directors, and he'll apparently soon need a seventh.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 08:13 pm
Anyone here have the means/ambition/hankering to make a very funny, possibly tragic, cartoon story? Here's the news item that got me thinking about it (from politico)
Quote:
Trump signs Bibles during disaster tour of Alabama

The story would follow a number of these bibles from the signing to being carried home and then, after the humans are in bed, what those bibles get up to. Running to the shower screaming and vomiting. Moving close to a candle and self-imolating. You get the idea.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 08:13 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Let’s see if on-going personal harassment really is against the TOS.

Out of curiosity, I did a CTRL+F in the ToS to see what it said about harassment. Found only this:

Quote:
You shall not upload to, or distribute or otherwise publish in any Posting any libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, gratuitously sexual, abusive, harassing or otherwise illegal material.

The A2K Rules are a bit broader and cover name-calling, but allow for "heated arguments":

Quote:
No personal attacks on other members. Heated arguments are okay; mudslinging and calling each other names is not. It’s not okay when done in response to attacks on you or others either

And the A2K Talking Rules blog post clarifies further:

Quote:
People will always disagree about what constitutes a “personal attack”... A couple of the rules of thumb we keep in mind, however, involve:

* distinguishing between personal attacks and criticisms of someone’s views or arguments, however harsh;
* distinguishing between attacks aimed at an individual and generic broadsides;
* considering whether a post solely disparages another user or has other, redeeming content

I dunno man. This feud between Set and you has gotten tired a long time ago. I think this theory of his (and others here) that you've been faking your support for Bernie etc for years as elaborate ploy to uh, fool a couple dozen users on a fairly obscure forum, is silly and annoying and distracting. I wish people would just give it a rest.

But you give as good as you get, and I don't really see how any of the above adds up to "you're not allowed to accuse someone of faking their political views". Unless you guys start just slinging personal insults at each other (again) or going at it for page after page (again), it's a "criticism of someone’s views or arguments," no? It's just a really dumb criticism, that wastes all our time.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 08:26 pm

Quote:
But you give as good as you get,

Since day one.
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blatham
 
  3  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 08:29 pm
@nimh,
Thank you for that detailed post, nimh. Let me explain the reasons for my appreciation.

In James Michener's book Hawaii, he tells a story of the staunchly serious New England Protestant missionaries who came to save the savages. Profoundly repelled by the Hawaiians' adventurous, no hold barred sexual lives, a missionary publicly posted all the sexual acts and partners (your mother's sister is a no no, etc) that were in violation of biblical proscriptions. A young Hawaiian native under the missionary's tutelage tried to convince him that this was not a good idea. He explained, "They will just go through your list to find combinations they hadn't yet thought of".

If you get my drift.
Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 08:36 pm
@nimh,
In order for me to give as good as I get, I’d have to pick a member here and constantly interrupt what that person is saying with accusations that they aren’t who they say they are, and that everything they say is s lie.

If Set doesn’t bear any consequences for doing this to me for two years, I don’t expect any when I do the same.
#9. Personal insult ad nauseum that crosses from topic to topic... for years ...across topics...
Either enforce it or delete it.




coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 08:38 pm
@blatham,
Quote:

If you get my drift.

Do you get it?
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nimh
 
  4  
Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 10:51 pm
@Lash,
blatham wrote:

If you get my drift.

Them's the breaks.

Lash wrote:
#9. Personal insult ad nauseum that crosses from topic to topic... for years ...across topics...
Either enforce it or delete it.

I mean, I'm pretty sure lengthy to-and-fros between the two of you have been 'disappeared' at various times. <shrugs>

Demanding that any one-off post accusing you of being conservative is pulled as "personal harassment" is something else tho
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 05:09 am
@nimh,
I won’t fill a page, so I’ll drop the conversation, but your characterization that I give as good as I get in this particular case is just wrong.

His personal harassment of me has been going on for over two years; it is completely one sided; it is a lie about me personally; it is meant to censure my opinions. He interrupts conversations I’m having with different people on different subjects with a lie that I’m not who I say I am and everything I say is a lie. If that doesn’t meet the specific wording of TOS rule #9–nothing does.

I do not engage in this kind of behavior; I only respond to it when it happens to me.

My response may make me guilty of some other rule, but if his violations would be addressed, mine would not occur.
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Lash
 
  1  
Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 05:27 am
Bernie has blown open the door on BigAg in Iowa. I’m so damn excited, but I’m becoming more concerned for his safety. He’s risking his life, taking on all the big thugs in our country.

Progressive Pat 🌹
@PatFromm
·
9h
Mark my words. Bernie is winning the hearts and minds of republicans right now in Iowa as he takes on #FactoryFarms and #BigAg. Farmers, largely Republican, have been waiting far too long for a politician to fight for them. They just found one in #Bernie2020. #BernieInIowa
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#RunBernieRun ❄️Kyae ❄️
@KyaeGunn
·
1h
We old hippies have been fighting #FactoryFarms and #BigAg since the 60s, they are literally killing us with their frankenfood.
Both republicans and democrats have been killing family farms for decades and giving the land to these corporate parasites!
Bring back family farms! ————————————————-

My life would improve dramatically if this stranglehold Big Ag and Monsanto have on our food is broken. Bernie’s out there swearing to take it on.
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 05:42 am
@Lash,
And that's why he's a terrific senator. But that doesn't translate into being a good president. Although the Bern's got plenty on the plus side, he has just as many negatives. He should drop out of the presidential race and throw all of his support into the one candidate that has a more of a chance to take the White House.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 06:29 am
@neptuneblue,
Name a negative.

 

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