blatham
 
  2  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 01:16 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Better to worry about it now than next September.

We'll see but I'm guessing it's not going to be a problem. If, that is, the candidates frame their campaigns to address those policy choices that we know citizens desire and are robust in their rhetoric and honest in its presentation.

We know that the right is betting on a negative response from their "Socialism!" alarums. But they really don't have any choice. They aren't going to be making electoral gains with non-base voters. So demonization and fear-mongering (aside from the constant lies) are what's left for them.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 01:18 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Like when it, the flag, was burned by Maxine Waters supporters?

Do you not understand the difference between militants purposely using the destruction of the flag as a constitutional form of protest and some simpering MAGAsaurus slobbering over it to show how devoted he is?

Quote:
Trump could never come close to the things Left has done to disrespect our flag.

Hell, he couldn't even be bothered to fight for it.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 01:27 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
I want to know what happened to the Republican Party???
A lot of stuff, it seems to me. But I can get some distance in understanding this if I imagine the US minus the influence of Rupert Murdoch.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 01:28 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
What would it be like to have this man come up to you, kiss you and then grab you by the pussy?

When he knew you would allow it? He implied those women did. Do not tell us there are not women who would have no problem with it.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 01:31 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
destruction of the flag as a constitutional form of protest

Is Trump within his constitutional rights hugging the flag? No big deal, right?
0 Replies
 
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 01:33 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Hell, he couldn't even be bothered to fight for it.

He is fighting for it now. Where have you been?
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  4  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 01:59 pm
It took me a few seconds...
Quote:
Michael Avenatti
‏Verified account
@MichaelAvenatti
Pete Davidson, whose dying mediocre career was saved by his terrible impersonation of me tonight on SNL, is a punk kid. Pete, it was agony for those who were forced to watch your ridiculous hairline. Bring back Steve Martin, funnier and a far greater talent! Sad!!!!!!!!
10:12 PM - 2 Mar 2019


It's very good, isn't it?
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blatham
 
  3  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 02:03 pm
This is a very good point
Quote:
Moira Donegan
‏@MoiraDonegan
Even people who don’t want to vote for Warren admit that she is uncommonly smart. The fact that all that intellect was almost lost to us because of the cost of childcare should be a bigger deal. Multiply that one potential loss by generations’ worth of women’s talents.


And I'd never thought about it before. Not once. Mainly because I'm a dude. We need many more women in offfice.
0 Replies
 
blatham
 
  3  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 02:09 pm
For the first time, I just listened to Pete Buttigieg. I am impressed!
https://crooked.com/podcast/2020-pete-buttigieg-on-freedom-and-farting-cows/
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 02:22 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
When he knew you would allow it? He implied those women did. Do not tell us there are not women who would have no problem with it.


So what you're saying is, the majority of women secretly WANTS a stranger to come up to them, accost them by grabbing their lady parts?

Dude, that's messed up.

What happened is that those women were so stunned and horrified that they were accosted in such a manner, they froze. It ISN"T "allowing" someone to do it.
livinglava
 
  0  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:00 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

What happened is that those women were so stunned and horrified that they were accosted in such a manner, they froze. It ISN"T "allowing" someone to do it.

Without getting into claims-making about whether or not such groping actually took place or whether it was part of a macho BS exchange, I think it would be more accurate to say that just about anyone (male or female) would freeze up if their genitals were grabbed; it's a visceral reaction, not a reaction of disgust or horror. Disgust and horror would most likely follow, but there's not enough time to have a mental reaction when a sudden shock occurs, like an electric shock or accidentally touching something boiling hot before you realize it.
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revelette1
 
  1  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:12 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
When he knew you would allow it...


My god. I can't believe someone would type those words and leave it long enough where you can't edit it out.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:19 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
WANTS a stranger to come up to them,

Strangers have nothing to do with it. Trump was speaking of women who know someone is a famous and will use sex to advance their position or bank account. Groping to those women means 0.

Quote:
the majority

Where is that coming from? I said no such thing. Stop making crap up.
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:19 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

For the first time, I just listened to Pete Buttigieg. I am impressed!
https://crooked.com/podcast/2020-pete-buttigieg-on-freedom-and-farting-cows/

Interesting. Ver-r-r-ry interesting.
0 Replies
 
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:24 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
My god. I can't believe someone would type those words and leave it long enough where you can't edit it out.

I see there are no women like that out there. You need to get real. What is the world's oldest profession?
0 Replies
 
georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:24 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

We know that the right is betting on a negative response from their "Socialism!" alarums. But they really don't have any choice. They aren't going to be making electoral gains with non-base voters. So demonization and fear-mongering (aside from the constant lies) are what's left for them.


An entirely equivalent statement could be made about "the Left" with respect to its main issues and their likely appeal to "non base" voters. Lies, fear mongering and demonization are arguably far more characteristic of Democrat political rhetoric than that of Republicans.

Democrats also face the as yet uncertain issues that may arise from the difference between the rather extreme rhetoric of AOC and Bernie Sanders (which is getting so much interest & attention in the media and among its supporters - a likely continuation of the Bernie phenomenon of the last Primary) and the more centrist political platform slowly unfolding from Pelosi and other Party leaders.

AOC & Sanders naturally excite a lot of reaction among more conservative politicians. However, I believe it is sufficient for them to merely point out the illogic and infeasibility of their main proposals, and let their looney character sink in with the public, and particularly with the "non base" voters to whom you referred.

Buying in too deeply to one's own propaganda is a common error.
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:28 pm
@coldjoint,
No, CJ, that wasn't what Trump meant. It's clearly videotaped he grabs whoever, whenever he please. Because he's "famous" he feels he's justified accosting women in such a manner.

Defending his position only makes you look suspiciously like a perv.

Your phrase, "Do not tell us there are not women who would have no problem with it." clearly states women, not SOME women or another segment of women.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:34 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Defending his position only makes you look suspiciously like a perv.

What he said is true. If you cannot accept women are just ass rotten as men, you are a fool.
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:38 pm
@coldjoint,
Sure, women can be just as nasty as men.

But in this case, that WASN'T his intention when he said he can grab lady parts and they "let" him do it.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Reply Sun 3 Mar, 2019 03:41 pm
@blatham,
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/mitch-mcconnell-senate-green-new-deal-vote

Quote:
Mitch McConnell hopes to turn the Green New Deal into an electoral nightmare. But polling shows the voting public may be more aligned with Ocasio-Cortez than Republicans think.


Quote:
When A.O.C. first arrived in Washington, conservatives tried to dismiss her as an incoherent, if savvy, social-media presence. But mockery of her millennial quirks only backfired. (“If I could stand on a train track and wave a big flag and say, ‘Stop attacking her appearance. Stop attacking her clothes. Stop attacking her apartment’—I would,” National Review Online media critic Stephen L. Miller bemoaned to me last November). For a time, she appeared politically unassailable. New lines of attack, such as a proposed 70-percent marginal tax rate, have proven equally fruitless. Polls showed A.O.C.’s tax plan was broadly popular with voters, including with 45 percent of Republicans. Few people outside of the core Fox News demographic seem to believe that the U.S. is on the verge of becoming socialist Venezuela.


seeing some familiar language used by some a2k posters

Quote:
“It’s crazy. It’s loony,”


Quote:
Of course, Trump isn’t necessarily the political genius he imagines himself to be—and neither, for that matter, is McConnell. Though the latter has a track record of conniving legislative successes, he may have misjudged the perception of the Green New Deal beyond the conservative echo chamber. In fact, according to one recent poll, a majority of Americans from both parties say they support the deal—including 64 percent of all Republicans, and 57 percent of self-identified conservative Republicans. A second poll indicated that 43 percent of Americans are more open to raising taxes on carbon emissions to pay for the deal, compared to 38 percent who opposed the move. At this point, a show vote may inadvertently boost the Democrats McConnell intended to target.
 

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