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@Brand X,

I wouldn’t put it past the DNC/ donor establishment. There would be a violent response.

There's a particular propaganda device that Jim Jordan was using today that bears attention.

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A lowlight [of the hearing] was this passage, the only time Jordan appeared to treat Cohen as anything other than a low-life who should be in prison already:

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[The Democrats] just want to use you, Mr. Cohen. You’re their patsy today. They’ve gotta find someone, somewhere, to say something, so that they can try to remove the president from office — because Tom Steyer told them to.

Steyer, in case you’ve missed it, is the billionaire agitating for formal impeachment proceedings against Trump, whom a solid majority of congressional Democrats (and all of their leadership) have been resolutely ignoring or rebuking.

NYMag

First, this was explicitly a conspiracy theory Jordan was trying to push. A theory for which he provided no evidence whatsoever. He is simply repeating a story pushed by Trump's supporters in right wing media designed to discredit any investigation of Trump by Dems or news media as being motivated by sour grapes at losing to Trump. So that in itself is a propaganda exercise and one which, as Republican posters here demonstrate, seems to be working quite well with the base.

But the other aspect is the use of Steyer in the story (you can read wikipedia's page on him and I recommend you do). Why use his name in this way? First, it personalizes the "enemy" or "threat". Such a campaign is far less effective when left as an abstraction. Put a name and face on the story and this gives focus and seeming credibility to the story (it's why Orwell had the Party use the fictional figure of Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984).

Second, because Steyer has been lobbying (unsuccessfully) for impeachment and because he is a big fundraiser and activist for Dems and because he's a billionaire he makes a good character to fit in the role of covert string-puller behind the Dems, particularly with a base that has traditionally been highly susceptible to such theories (see historian Richard Hofstadter's brilliant essay, The Paranoid Style in American Politics

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Hilariously moronic . . . with those figures being proportional rates, and the population of Norway (from the first chart) being slightly over five million, as compared to the 325,000,000 of the United States, where is the slaughter the greatest?
Ah yes, lies, damned lies and statistics.

Is there some sort of problem with using proportional rates?

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@blatham,

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Jordan appeared to treat Cohen as anything other than a low-life who should be in prison already:

Why doesn't the MSM mention what prison Cohen is going to. They call it Club Fed. He is being treated pretty good by our justice system, and Jordan did it to his face. Trump is in NK.

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@coldjoint,

Well technically, since he didn't do anything wrong, he shouldn't be in prison at all.

But I doubt that he'll get a pardon after today's performance.

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@Sturgis,

Sturgis wrote:

Sorry to be the one who has to inform you, this is a part of her job. At some point in time, any legislator of any value, must begin asking questions and stating their ideas and opinions. Neither Warren not Sanders would be as well heard of and received, had they not take that first move forward.

You may not agree with her or her questions, but she has every right to speak them.

Sorry you misunderstood my post. Just echoing what Republicans and mainstream Democrats have said.

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Holy poop, batman. Today's testimony seems to have been televised around the world

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0bNv1lW0AA2v9x.jpg

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@blatham,

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Today's testimony seems to have been televised around the world

Of course it is. It is designed to smear Trump and interview haters from all over the world. Tell something we don't know.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

Just echoing what...mainstream Democrats have said.

Which ones?

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@blatham,

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52846987_2106343762779157_7807458307345481728_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=191048dce54783d4912731811fc0fa21&oe=5D26814D

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Jesus. Hours in and Christie's observation that Republicans have asked no substantive questions remains the case. Everything is repeated attempts to denigrate Cohen. Everything.

pretty much all the commentators were uhh commenting on that

lots of suggestions that they can't think of any questions they aren't afraid of getting answers to

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@ehBeth,

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lots of suggestions that they can't think of any questions they aren't afraid of getting answers to

If you listened you would know that the chairman told them what they could ask about. Cummings hedged his bets. Political circus. The next two years stolen from the American people.

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@edgarblythe,

It wouldent hurt to take some of your own advice. I am very much interested in what she has to say. I listen carefully to all of them.

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@maporsche,

If you go back enough pages on this thread you will find a few and references to more.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

It wouldent hurt to take some of your own advice. I am very much interested in what she has to say. I listen carefully to all of them.

I need to quit for now when nobody gets what I post.

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@edgarblythe,

I got it. I do question whether anyone is trying to silence her. But your point was clear.

While it is certainly possible for me to get something that no one else can understand, I believe that several others got your point as well.

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@oralloy,

With the population of Norway, their rate of mass shootings could be established by one incident in which ten to twelve people were killed. The lower rate in the United States yields hundreds killed in many incidents. It is a manipulation of statistical data which actually establishes no baseline for a reasonable judgment. Given your prejudices, however, this kind of silly statistical trickery appeals to you, I'm sure.

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@Setanta,

You are far more patient than I. The individuals who seem to embrace and promote the notion that Norway is violent and the US is not , chap my cheeks. I have met such people, it's jaw dropingly appalling...honestly, I don't understand how some are so willfully uninformed. They believe the first thing they hear, the more revolting the easier it is for them to embrace. Maybe it's time to re-release the Ox Bow Incident.

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@glitterbag,

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I don't understand how some are so willfully uninformed.

Looking at yourself would be a good place to start. Shocked

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@oralloy,

Rosie O’Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg actually said what Edgar quoted. Amazing that two purportedly ‘liberal’ women told another to basically shut up and sit down.

Fakes.

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