edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 09:15 am
At least nobody is calling him a bug eyed bitch - yet - as Rosanne Barr just did about OAC.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 09:16 am
The finely tuned machine is hummmmming along at perfect pitch

Quote:
Trump seems unaware of his plan to end criminalization of homosexuality
By Steve Benen 02/21/19 09:20AM
U.S. officials told NBC News this week that the Trump administration is launching "a global campaign to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it's still illegal to be gay." The effort will be led by Richard Grenell, the U.S. ambassador to Germany, who is also the highest-profile openly gay person in the administration.

Wouldn't a progressive goal like this face pushback from the White House's far-right base? Grenell told NBC News that the initiative has broad, bipartisan support. Asked specifically whether Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Trump himself were on board with his efforts, Grenell added that "decriminalizing homosexuality is something that people absolutely agree is a policy that we have to move forward on."

It was against this backdrop that the president fielded a question on the subject during a brief Q&A with reporters in the Oval Office yesterday.

Quote:
Q: Mr. President, on your push to decriminalize homosexuality, are you doing that? And why?

TRUMP: Say it?

Q: Your push to decriminalize homosexuality around the world.

TRUMP: I don't know which report you're talking about. We have many reports. Anybody else?


Occasionally, the president will try to be coy on a subject he's reluctant to talk about, but watching the clip, Trump seemed genuinely confused. He didn't appear to have any idea what the reporter was referring to...
Benen, more here

This is, of course, dishonest top to bottom.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 09:23 am
@edgarblythe,
Rosanne is not my type. But, to be fair, I'm not my type.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 09:28 am
@blatham,
Then we don't have much to discuss.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 10:56 am
Whether he can draw enough support and enthusiasm from young voters (who it seems we need nearly as much as women) is an unknown but I suspect he'd be a very rare case where this wouldn't be a problem. The whiteness, too, could hurt in that people of color are likely to be less enthusiastic and we need them too.

I might have this wrong. Electability metrics are anything but certainties. But if you haven't seen concerns like mine expressed by smart and sincere people on the left, it would be because of the media you attend to.


The media paints these pictures of a doddering white man whom black people can't support, and too old for the young to support.

Early polls indicate Sanders has a wide support base. Among 1,015 people surveyed in a recent CNN poll, he had approval from 58 percent of non-white voters, 74 percent of people who disapproved of Trump, and 57 percent of respondents age 18 to 34. A poll by progressive PAC Democracy for America found Sanders had the majority of support at 36.14 percent among 94,163 members.

I lost the link and am not going to search for it, because polls are generally good for toilet paper only. But it is his critics and the misinformed who say only white men support him.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 10:56 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

The finely tuned machine is hummmmming along at perfect pitch

Quote:
Trump seems unaware of his plan to end criminalization of homosexuality
By Steve Benen 02/21/19 09:20AM
U.S. officials told NBC News this week that the Trump administration is launching "a global campaign to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it's still illegal to be gay." The effort will be led by Richard Grenell, the U.S. ambassador to Germany, who is also the highest-profile openly gay person in the administration.

Wouldn't a progressive goal like this face pushback from the White House's far-right base? Grenell told NBC News that the initiative has broad, bipartisan support. Asked specifically whether Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Trump himself were on board with his efforts, Grenell added that "decriminalizing homosexuality is something that people absolutely agree is a policy that we have to move forward on."

...
This is, of course, dishonest top to bottom.


How the hell do you claim to know this? In the first place there are, to my knowledge, no remaining jurisdictions in this country that enforce any criminal restrictions on the practice of homosexuality by anyone. There may well be a few remaining statutes or segments of them reflecting the prevailing values of the time in which they were enacted, and if there is such a "campaign" is suspect it may be directed at that.

It might be worthwhile, Blatham, for you to review the number and frequency of your "ex cathedra)" pronouncements -- all totally unsupported by either plausible argument or fact.

You appear in this and other ways to be the apotheosis of the supposed "dark forces against which you rail with such frequency.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 11:08 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

@edgar and others who are able to read above a Grade 4 level...

Paul Waldman has a very smart column up today that relates to the use of the term "socialism", particularly as to how the media can and frequently do act like freaking idiots.
Quote:
The Democrats running for president are beginning a meaty, substantive debate on how to address the most pressing problems the country faces, including climate change and reforming the health-care system.
President Trump, on the other hand, would like to use his bully pulpit to throw a cloak of deception and distraction over that debate, to paint Democrats in the worst possible light and, in the process, make sure voters are as ill-informed as possible.

And some in the news media seem eager to abet Trump in his effort.
…..

A rather condescending opening, don't you think? You follow with quotes from a rather insipid article which describes nothing more than the ordinary rhetoric of aspiring candidates and the typical responses of the officeholders they criticize.
It appears this was offered as required reading for your supposed band of followers.
Paul Weldman may be smart or not : he appears here to be no more than a a rather pedestrian Democrat hack.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 11:48 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
as Rosanne Barr just did about OAC.

AOC is bug eyed. Roseanne is only stating the obvious, and she is also a comedian.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 12:40 pm
Kamala on The Daily Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEmfN5Np7gk
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 01:15 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
I haven't noticed anybody getting upset on the liberal side just because Bernie is old, male and white.
I think you are missing something quite significant here, edgar. I have no significant disagreements with Sanders in terms of his political ideas. But it is precisely because of those elements that I'd be likely to support other candidates over him.
So in terms of the contemporary moral lexicon you're an "ageist" a "sexist" and a "racist". This, of course might be seen as an inappropriate comment by me in that such terms are conventionally reserved for use by narrow-minded, intolerant, self-appointed left wing critics, such as yourself.

I suspect that Bernie will get over the with drawl of your "support", particularly given the fact that you don't vote in this country.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 02:07 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
reserved for use by narrow-minded, intolerant, self-appointed left wing critics, such as yourself.

Bingo. The guy is predictable and as useless as the day is long.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 02:14 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
The media paints these pictures of a doddering white man
I don't think that is so at all. Nobody that I read (and that's a lot of people) has ever described (that I've seen) Sanders as doddering or too old to be vital and sharp. I'm seriously impressed with the guy's stamina. I'm younger and I couldn't match his schedules.

My point was that the problem, or the potential problem, with his age is entirely generational. And as I said, I might be wrong in my estimation of this aspect. Likewise regarding his whiteness.

In the post above you suggested we might have nothing to talk about if I hold such notions as potentially significant. That comes close to a "Bernie or nobody" absolutism. I hope that's not the case. It is, in its own way, a demand for a coronation.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 02:31 pm
https://c1.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Bernies-Lawn-600-LI.jpg
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/02/branco-cartoon-red-scare/
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 02:56 pm
Quote:
Rep. Ilhan Omar Traveled With Pro-Communist, Anti-American Peace Group

This lady is considered a progressive, like the other Muslim congresswoman, and AOC.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/21/ilhan-omar-delegate-pro-communist-group/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 03:05 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
How the hell do you claim to know this?
Well, for starters, as regards Pence...
Quote:
But it was not his first brush with criticism from the LGBT community. A self-described “Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order,” the former member of Congress was a prominent conservative figure in battles over marriage equality and equal rights in the last decade.
He said gay couples signaled ‘societal collapse’
More of the same here

By statistics, the most loyal portion of the GOP voting base are Evangelicals (I trust you're aware of this. If not, let me know). And there is absolutely no way this base will refrain from fighting tooth and nail any such initiative from GOP leaders that would give the slightest inference that gay behavior is acceptable.

And, as Trump's response indicates, Grenell was lying in his response to the question of whether Trump was on board.

blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 03:06 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
A rather condescending opening, don't you think?
I would have to concur with you on that.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 03:13 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I suspect that Bernie will get over the with drawl of your "support"
But I didn't say that. I said I had those three concerns. We'll see how things play out but at this point there are others I would choose ahead of him, and they are all women. But as I also said earlier to edgar, if Sanders ends up as the nominee, then he'll be my boy.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 03:18 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
inference that gay behavior is acceptable.

If these people are Christians they hate the sin, not the sinner. That people who attack Christians never mention that.
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blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 03:20 pm
Quote:
The upcoming presidential election is starting to look as though it will feature something extraordinary, even revolutionary: a genuine debate about whether American capitalism needs an overhaul. The only surprising thing may be that it took a decade after the worst financial crisis in 80 years for us to get deep into this discussion.

It isn’t just happening in the presidential race, but that’s also where this kind of debate can play out in the most high-profile, attention-grabbing way. With everyone thinking about 2020, a proposal such as the Green New Deal immediately gets tossed into the presidential campaign, with candidates forced to take positions on it and their own proposals compared with it. And though not all of the Democratic candidates were prepared to get down to the fundamental question of what sort of capitalism we ought to have, they may have no choice.

You can call it a result of the Democratic Party “moving left,” but that may be too simplistic a way to think about it. It’s also about a new refusal among liberals to accept that the system as it exists now is how it has to be.

To those who think the status quo is just fine, the idea that the political debate might get down to that kind of foundational level is an extraordinary threat, and they're reacting with horror...
Waldman, the hated one
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hightor
 
  1  
Reply Thu 21 Feb, 2019 03:38 pm
The Sanders Foreign Policy Advantage

He has put forward a comprehensive vision that pits democratic peoples everywhere against illiberalism at home and abroad.

Quote:
Bernie Sanders’s most prominent message is economic, organized around a critique of capitalist inequality, an indictment of the ultrawealthy and a call for expansive new social programs. It helped propel him to a strong second in the 2016 Democratic primary campaign and has returned as the marquee message for his 2020 campaign, which he announced on Tuesday with a promise to “complete the revolution.”

Unfortunately for his 2020 campaign, Sanders is less distinct on economic policy than he was in 2016. His rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination have either embraced broad ideas like Medicare for all or unveiled their own: Elizabeth Warren’s universal child care proposal; Cory Booker’s plan to drastically reduce housing costs; Kamala Harris’s LIFT Act, which would build on the earned-income tax credit and create a new monthly cash payment for most middle-class households.

But Sanders isn’t without an advantage. If in 2016 his foreign-policy thinking was underbaked, then in 2019 he stands as one of the few candidates with a fully formed vision for American foreign policy. It’s one that ties his domestic focus on political and economic justice to a larger project of international cooperation and solidarity, anti-authoritarianism and promotion of democratic values. It’s a vision that rests on the conviction that progressive politics must continue past the water’s edge.

Sanders articulated the substance of his foreign policy views in two speeches: one in 2017 at Missouri’s Westminster College — speaking from the stage where Winston Churchill delivered his “Iron Curtain” speech — and one last October at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies.

In his Johns Hopkins address, Sanders offered a big-picture reading of this moment in international relations. For him, the ideological struggle of the 21st century doesn’t pit a liberal, democratic America against illiberal, authoritarian opponents, but instead pits liberal, democratic peoples everywhere against illiberalism at home and abroad. It’s a “worldwide movement toward authoritarianism, oligarchy and kleptocracy” against one toward “strengthening democracy, egalitarianism, and economic, social, racial and environmental justice.” In this conception of the world, President Trump is just one of many “demagogues who exploit people’s fears, prejudices and grievances to gain and hold on to power.”

These movements don’t emerge out of nothing. Sanders contends that they are fueled by the enormous disparities of wealth and opportunity that define global capitalism. This is the subject of his Westminster College speech — an attempt to link domestic economic issues to relations among states. “This planet will not be secure or peaceful when so few have so much, and so many have so little — and when we advance day after day into an oligarchic form of society where a small number of extraordinarily powerful special interests exert enormous influence over the economic and political life of the world,” Sanders said, adding later that “inequality, corruption, oligarchy and authoritarianism are inseparable.”

As for culprits, Sanders has a list. His Johns Hopkins address lists Vladimir Putin of Russia, Viktor Orban of Hungary, Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia as part of this global nexus of corruption and autocracy. He also singles out American billionaires like Robert Mercer and Sheldon Adelson for “promoting a shared agenda of intolerance and bigotry” as part of a “common front” of authoritarianism. And while Sanders was silent on Venezuela in these speeches, he has criticized the government of Nicolás Maduro in other venues, attacking its authoritarianism and suppression of democracy while rejecting intervention by the United States.

If these are the conditions of international relations, then the aim of American foreign policy should be to stand against this rising tide of illiberalism and oligarchy. For Sanders, the United States must create a global order that can constrain authoritarian states and bring democratic accountability to global capitalism. It must also embrace the cooperation necessary for tackling climate change and other transnational challenges, building “partnerships not just between governments, but between peoples” and recognizing that “our safety and welfare is bound up with the safety and welfare of others around the world.”

For this project to succeed, however, Americans must also strive for fairness and equality in their own country. “If we are going to expound the virtues of democracy and justice abroad, and be taken seriously, we need to practice those values here at home,” Sanders says.

It’s a robust vision — an expansion of Sanders’s cry for “political revolution.” He even uses similar terms, closing his Johns Hopkins speech with a call for “an international movement that mobilizes behind a vision of shared prosperity, security and dignity for all people.” There are, however, some missing parts. It’s unclear how a President Sanders would approach tense relations with China or deal with democratic decline in Eastern European countries like Poland. And Sanders isn’t alone in thinking and talking about these issues — Elizabeth Warren has also laid out a foreign policy framework, with a similar focus on protecting democracy and curtailing global corruption, and considerable detail on how to get it done.

But Warren has centered her presidential campaign on changing the rules of the American economy. And while Sanders can easily compete here, his bona fides from his 2016 campaign may not be enough to differentiate himself with voters who might not care that he was first on these issues.

What separates him from the pack in this race are his forceful and well-defined foreign policy views — his synthesis of domestic and international concerns. Rather than fight on old, now-crowded ground, he can move to new territory, opening vital conversations about America’s role in the world. He can bring a new set of progressive ideas to the Democratic mainstream and force his opponents to debate them on his terms. In doing so, Sanders could establish himself as the leading candidate for progressive Democrats who want to rebuild the nation’s reputation and influence as much as its economy.


nyt/jamelle bouie
 

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