oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:14 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
To the Trump devotees who pop in now and again, here is something I have been pondering the past week or so. How do you feel about Trump pushing real hard to get Saudi Arabia nuclear capabilities? How does that enhance his master plan to save everybody?
I don't know much about the proposal.

Nuclear power is a great way to reduce carbon emissions though, for those who are worried about such things.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:16 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
A right leaning Supreme Court would be the ultimate judge on what policies were constitutional, and would be more likely to fine the policies you favor (and many that I favor) to be unconstitutional.
Why can't leftists just not violate the Constitution in the first place?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:24 pm
@livinglava,
The size of the Supreme Court is not set in the constitution. It can be changed with a vote in the Senate.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:29 pm
@maporsche,
I assume that the number of justices is set by federal statute. If so, that would require both the House and the Senate and would be subject to a Presidential veto.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:33 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

maporsche wrote:
It can be changed with a vote in the Senate.
I assume that it is set by federal statute, which would require the House and the Senate and be subject to a Presidential veto.


Correct.

And there's no way the Democrats would try that with a Republican in office, so no worry about the veto threat.

The next step in the escalation of eliminating 'norms' in government is to remove the filibuster. Which means Democratic president, Democratic controlled Senate and House, and boom! 11 Supreme Court Justices.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:34 pm
@edgarblythe,
Pretty good

The best way to deal with Iran is to have another (friendly) power in the region do so.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:36 pm
@blatham,
STFU you Canuk Lefty! Who cares what you support? Very Happy
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:38 pm
@maporsche,
It's called "stacking the court"

FDR tried it (but wasn't as successful as he was with imprisoning US citizens in concentration camps) and you would be screaming bloody murder if a Republican president did. So just stop your pretense about moderate views and admit you are an utter partisan.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

It's called "stacking the court"

FDR tried it (but wasn't as successful as he was with imprisoning US citizens in concentration camps) and you would be screaming bloody murder if a Republican president did. So just stop your pretense about moderate views and admit you are an utter partisan.


I'm a moderate democrat/neoliberal and have never tried to convince anyone otherwise.

It's progressives who view me as a republican. I'm obviously not.


Although, I'm not suggesting that I agree with a move like this (not disagreeing isn't the same as supporting), just saying it wouldn't be difficult. I think that's one reason why Presidents before Trump had always tried to nominate people who could pass with 60 votes. At least there was some moderation in their picks.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 04:59 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
My mother knows where you live.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 05:07 pm
@maporsche,
I would even support mandating that all nominations are given a vote within 45 days of their nomination regardless of an election year and requiring that all nominees must get 60 votes to be confirmed. Not just USSC nomination, but literally all of them.

That's a moderate view point I think.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 05:12 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
you would be screaming bloody murder if a Republican president did.
Of course, and for very good reasons.

But McConnell changed the rules by denying Obama's SC nominee. Would he do that again given the opportunity? Of course.

The conservative/Republican strategy, as developed by the Federalist Society, has been to place as many partisan conservatives in as many judicial seats as they might manage, from the SC on down. There is no ethic here to faithfully represent the wishes of citizens or any nod to bipartisanship (which is equal to date-rape, Norquist told us).

That's the game. Those are the new rules. Dems, if smart, will have to recognize that Walt Disney is not in charge here.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 05:21 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Pretty good

The best way to deal with Iran is to have another (friendly) power in the region do so.

I figure it's so we can accuse them of building weapons of mass destruction, once their roll turns to adversarial, as ALWAYS happens in the middle east, with the exception of Israel. Then we can invade and take their oil.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 05:24 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
The next step in the escalation of eliminating 'norms' in government is to remove the filibuster. Which means Democratic president, Democratic controlled Senate and House, and boom! 11 Supreme Court Justices.
I advise Democrats to stop with the dirty tricks, because Republicans are just going to turn around and do the same thing back to them.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 05:28 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
But McConnell changed the rules by denying Obama's SC nominee.
No, Democrats changed the rules. Republicans merely gave Democrats a healthy dose of their own medicine.

blatham wrote:
The conservative/Republican strategy, as developed by the Federalist Society, has been to place as many partisan conservatives in as many judicial seats as they might manage, from the SC on down.
They do so because leftist judges actively violate the Constitution, and that's bad.

blatham wrote:
Dems, if smart, will have to recognize that Walt Disney is not in charge here.
If Democrats were smart, they'd stop pulling dirty tricks all the time, as Republicans will just retaliate in kind.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 06:29 pm
@hightor,
It is indeed a stretch, and I agree with your overall assessment of the potential effectiveness of any essentially socialist candidate in actually enacting his/her program, in the unlikely event one is elected.

However, considering only the evolving struggle among Democrat contenders, I believe Sanders has, so far, a good deal more credibility and demonstrated effectiveness as a campaigner than any of the other declared far left Democrat candidates, including Harris and Booker. Either of the latter may be a good deal more effective than Bernie in mobilizing Black voters, but by the terms we have been considering, that still leaves a minority - a perhaps vocal and active one, but still a minority. How these and other Emerging Democrat contenders form their professed platforms will likely be a very important and interesting process. So far all have spoken favorably of the radical left agenda, or at least key elements of it Medicare for all, etc.

The 2016 election defeat was a bitter outcome for Democrats (and Clinton). The lackluster Clinton campaign and the unexpected enthusiasm for her approved proforma contender Sanders set the stage for the subsequent emergence of far left wing forces (and presidential contenders) within a party that has repeatedly learned the adverse electoral consequences of a swing too far to the left. Among the consequences of the 2016 defeat are (1) A carryover from the Sanders campaign of the likely delusional assumption that their enthusiasm alone can overcome the traditional majority voter resistance to obviously left wing policies on the part of candidates. (2) The sudden emergence of new, very visible, radical left wing figures in the Democrat Congressional delegation, now capturing much of its air time; (3) A pronounced shift to the left on (in terms of their declared platforms) on the part of nearly all likely contenders for the nomination in 2020; (4) Renewed independence on the part of a DNC, now led by fairly radical left wing figures.

All this creates a very challenging situation for elected Democrat leaders as they enter the nominating season for the 2020 election. I suspect Speaker Pelosi will work hard to retain control of the evolving party platform, and by means of that, the advancement of favored candidates who have a chance to win. However, in a milieu in which the word "Socialism" is cast about with increasing frequency ( and reduced accuracy) by the emerging new figures; and a DNC, perhaps seeing its own opportunity, this is likely to be very difficult situation for her to manage.

Recent polls indicate that Trump has so far held on to the support of his core voter supporters. The Trump era boom in our economy continues, total employment remains at a several decade high and unemployment at a low, particularly among minorities. Consumer confidence and business investment levels all suggest a continuation of excellent economic performance through at least 2019. Significantly the Mueller Investigation is winding down so far with little to show for the two year effort, while at the same time documented evidence of the bias of the cabal of Obama era Justice Dept. and FBI officials who conducted both the softball Clinton classified material investigations and the near contemporaneous very hardball Trump investigations is coming fully into the public eye. The next two years of this drama may well be as positive for Trump as the first two were negative.

Overall, despite the somewhat childish radical enthusiasm of Democrat newcomers, prospects for the next election look increasingly good for Republicans.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 08:14 pm
Bradley Bloom🌹🏴
@BradleyRBloom
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2h
Bernie on TYT said he likes & isn’t interested in disparaging other candidates. He says he’s running because in his view he has the strongest chance of defeating Trump, & more importantly, able to mobilize the millions of Americans necessary to take on Oligarchy for real change.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 08:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Bernie on TYT

Which one of Bernie's three houses will be the headquarters?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2019 08:49 pm
@coldjoint,
Saving the nation is the topic. Try to focus, please.
 

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