blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 05:48 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Remember conservative Richard Nixon created the EPA. As is often the case, much of what the media, neoliberals and oligarchs peg as 'radical' or 'leftist' nowadays
Maintaining and increasing environmental protections is not deemed radical or leftist in either mainstream media or by Dems. That's simply false, edgar.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 05:51 am
@edgar
Is it your thinking that Bernie Sanders is the only candidate likely to run who is a legitimate representative of the left?
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 05:59 am
@edgarblythe,
So what?

They are allowed to endorse whomever they want and now their “power” means squat.

But sure, keep stoking the division on the left.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 07:15 am
Pardon me but I am going to post this in full. It's important, I think, to have a good grasp on how propaganda gets done in the modern media universe
Quote:
First, it was her clothing. Then her dancing. Not to mention her credit score, her apartment, her hometown. Maybe it was only a matter of time before right-wing trolls went after Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s love life.

On Friday — the day after Valentine’s Day, as some commenters dutifully noted — an accusation that the New York Democrat was employing her boyfriend as a member of her staff made its way around the Twitter pages of various conservative media magoos. Gleeful outrage ensued.

“While you were having a nice Valentine’s Day, @AOC decided to put her boyfriend on staff — drawing a salary on the taxpayer’s dime,” wrote Twitter user Luke Thompson in one viral post. “Nice to see her adapting to the swamp so quickly.”

“.@AOC is having a tough week,” wrote Charlie Kirk, founder of the conservative group Turning Point USA.

Then, from Katrina Pierson, a senior adviser to the Trump 2020 campaign: “Her jobs for everyone starts with her boyfriend. Pure socialism, government chooses the winners and losers.”

[Trump said conservative pundits don't decide policy — then praised his favorite talk-show hosts]

Fox News picked up on this chatter and published a story that asserted Ocasio-Cortez “faces questions” about her boyfriend. Similar stories in Breitbart and the Daily Caller followed.

The fast-growing conspiracy seems to have originated from a few would-be sleuths who found her boyfriend’s name, Riley Roberts, listed in online House directories with a “mail.house.gov” email address. Thus, he must be on her staff.

Well, they’re partly correct. Roberts does have a House email address, but, as a spokesperson for the chamber’s Office of the Chief Administrative Officer explained, that does not mean he’s an employee.

“From time to time, at the request of members, spouses and partners are provided House email accounts for the purposes of viewing the member’s calendar,” the spokesperson said.

On Twitter, Ocasio-Cortez made the same point — that allowing partners access to members’ schedules through House email accounts is commonplace and is not against any government rules — adding, that Thompson should “check your facts before you tweet nonsense.”

Her chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, told The Post that, “Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s partner, Mr. Roberts, has no official position, paid or otherwise, with her congressional office. Members of Congress have very tightly scheduled calendars that their family members and partners are allowed to access to make personal plans around official schedules.”

[Ocasio-Cortez learned lobbyists pay people to avoid waiting in lines. She’s horrified.]

The attacks were the latest in a litany of ginned-up or exaggerated controversies that have been unrelenting since she began making political waves.

Merely one such example: In July 2018, John Cardillo, host of a Newsmax show, tweeted a photo of Ocasio-Cortez’s childhood home in Westchester County, N.Y. He wrote, “This is the Yorktown Heights (very nice area) home @Ocasio2018 grew up in” and added, erroneously, that she then went to Brown University, an Ivy League school.

Then-candidate Ocasio-Cortez responded forcefully, writing, “Hey John, 1. I didn’t go to Brown or the Ivy League. I went to BU. Try Google. 2. It is nice. Growing up, it was a good town for working people. My mom scrubbed toilets so I could live here & I grew up seeing how the Zip code one is born in determines much of their opportunity.”

In a January interview, responding to a phony “nude selfie” that the Daily Caller promoted (before walking back its headline), Ocasio-Cortez told The Post that her right wing detractors were “out of all their artillery.”

“The nude is supposed to be like the bazooka. You know, like, ‘We’re going to take her down,’" she said, possibly anticipating future provocations. “Dude, you’re all out of bullets, you’re all out of bombs, you’re all out of all this stuff. What have you got left?”
WP
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 08:02 am
@blatham,
The more they fire at her and obsess about her, the more power to her.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 08:10 am
@Olivier5,
Except, we aren't obsessing over her. She is only pretending that we are.

I do oppose her Leninist Green New Deal, but I'm not too upset over it. I understand that when a party spends an extended period out of power it always resorts to goofy extremism.
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 08:10 am
@blatham,
But anything about "Russians" is fake news.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 08:13 am
@Olivier5,
That is true but it's not the entire story. The other part of the story is the demonstrated effectiveness of such propaganda campaigns. Hillary, Pelosi, Gore, Kerry, etc represent clear examples of how continued attacks and misinformation spread through right wing media and into mainstream media can have very real negative consequences for the target. Our best defense against this is continued monitoring of such campaigns and a fuller understanding of how they are being done.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 08:17 am
@hightor,
Yeah. It's something isn't it. I probably ought to find an avatar of one of those dudes who parade up and down Main Street with a sign reading "The End Is Near".
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 09:02 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

@edgar
Is it your thinking


There’s your problem right there...
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 09:47 am
@oralloy,
Did I mention you? There seems to be a vast collection of cretins out there who love to hate her so much that they're falling for easily debunkable fake news. She then delivers their ass to the twitter crowd. They fall, she rises.

Jonathan Swift once said: "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." I don't know if she's a true genius but it doesn't take that much to stand out against the crowd of average US politicians.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 10:35 am
@blatham,
That is certainly true enough. I can't count how many people have said that they don't trust Hillary, or they are just uncomfortable with her but they can't point to a reason why. I personally don't get the hype of AOC, but I certainly have nothing against her. However, she does have a very negative campaign against her by conservative "news" people, to the point of obsession. It's weird.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 10:39 am
@blatham,
Bernie voted for the spending budget. (smart of him in my opinion.) I am not so sure but that Bernie will soon be considered too "moderate" by those on the far left.

To tell the truth, there is not a 2020 candidate out there right now I would consider voting for. Biden seems too old plus, he is too much of a war hawk, more than Hillary was. Kamala Harris seems to just go with the crowd to my mind. Warren, I don't like she falsified an application. The rest, I don't know too well. So far, Bernie does seem the most qualified to me, I like his mid-east views as well; he is old as well, but he seems younger acting.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 11:24 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Warren, I don't like she falsified an application.

That's a dumb criticism. Anyone can identify with any ethnicity they can honestly connect with. Warren claiming native American heritage is different from a white person wearing blackface as a joke because he or she feels absolutely racially isolated from African/slave heritage.

Any democrat is a bad candidate simply because the party will use them as a yes-man for spending initiatives and fiscal stimulus. Obama was a good and smart person, but look what he allowed the party to do in terms of fiscal stimulus and socialism.

hightor
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 11:46 am
@revelette1,
Klobuchar/Buttigieg

Say it five times fast!
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 12:05 pm
@livinglava,
Quote:
That's a dumb criticism.

And that's a dumber response.

It's perfectly fine to say you identify with any ethnic group you wish. It's fine to feel empathy for the culture of some distant ancestor. But putting it on an application for a position reserved for people of that ethnicity is either dishonest, naïve, or retarded.

Since I like Warren I'm going to go with naïveté.

Quote:
Any democrat is a bad candidate simply because the party will use them as a yes-man for spending initiatives and fiscal stimulus.


Spending initiatives and fiscal stimuli are important tools for dealing with ups and downs in the economy.

Quote:
...but look what he allowed the party to do in terms of fiscal stimulus and socialism.


He and the party saved our capitalist economy with a $787 billion economic stimulus package.

Think.

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 01:11 pm
RoseAnn DeMoro
@RoseAnnDeMoro
·
3h
Dear Bernie Supporters:

I want #Bernie2020 to announce today obviously. The #DNC does not. They are scrambling like crazy to try to shore up every penny and endorsement for their once again anointed and disliked candidate.

It’s like watching a bad rerun
revelette1
 
  2  
Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 01:25 pm
@hightor,
Not sure what you mean, but I can't even pronounce her last name once. I read about her just a second ago here.

She seems more up my alley also I like that she is relatively younger than some of the others. I'll try to look her up.

A problem is that there is way too many running or thinking about running. You got to have to have a lot of momentum in a big field, it's early yet (understatement) but none of them do besides maybe Harris. She may be too down to earth to garner excitement. However, I wish her bill about online security passed.
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revelette1
 
  1  
Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 01:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
Who is their anointed one this time?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 01:28 pm
Bernie Sanders records video announcing 2020 campaign
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/16/bernie-sanders-2020-1173339
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