ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2019 08:19 pm
@ehBeth,
but Eric Levitz kinda likes it



Quote:
To moderate Democrats, the “Green New Deal” sounded like a fancy name for an infrastructure bill that included significant investments in renewable energy, and/or a carbon tax. To the progressive think tank Data for Progress, it was a comprehensive plan for America to achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, through a combination of massive public investment in renewable-energy technology, transformative changes to land-use policy, and turbocharged environmental regulations.

But to Ocasio-Cortez, the phrase appeared to imply a vision even more sweeping. In her telling, the Green New Deal wasn’t just a plan for transforming America’s energy infrastructure, but also, for radically reforming its political economy: Just as the New Deal–era mobilization against the the Great Depression and Axis powers facilitated a democratic transition from laissez-faire to Keynesian liberalism, so the fight for climate sustainability could shepherd America out of neoliberalism, and into ecofriendly, intersectional, democratic socialism.

On Thursday, Ocasio-Cortez confirmed that her Green New Deal does, in fact, entail nothing less than social democracy with green characteristics. In a nonbinding resolution co-authored by Massachusetts senator Ed Markey — and co-sponsored by 60 Democrats in the House and nine in the Senate — Ocasio-Cortez establishes her climate policy’s official rationale, five of its defining goals, 12 specific projects, and 15 additional requirements for any piece of legislation that wishes to call itself a Green New Deal.

Among those minimum requirements: Any GND bill must provide “all members of society with high-quality health care, affordable, safe and adequate housing, economic security, and access to clean water, air, healthy and affordable food, and nature”; recognize “the right of all workers to organize, unionize, and collectively bargain free of coercion, intimidation, and harassment”; ensure “a commercial environment where every business person, large and small, is free from unfair competition and domination by monopolies domestically or internationally.”

In other words: At a bare minimum, a worthwhile climate bill must extend affordable health insurance to upward of 30 million people, radically reform American labor law, and (ostensibly) break up Amazon, the major Wall Street banks, Monsanto, and any other megafirm that stymies market competition.

One can pick many reasonable bones with both this ideological maximalism, and various other aspects of the GND resolution. AOC’s climate plan includes calls for universal health care and vigorous antitrust enforcement, but few detailed proposals for increasing urban density, discouraging the construction of new car-centric infrastructure, or combating emissions growth overseas (via carbon tariffs or some other means) — tasks much more central to the objective of averting ecological apocalypse than, say, promoting small-business formation.

Separately, both the resolution — and the FAQs that Ocasio-Cortez’s office released to summarize it — (arguably) evince inordinate concern with placating the environmental ultraleft. The resolution includes no explicit call for a carbon tax, an ostensible concession to a marginal socialist faction that (incoherently) regards carbon pricing as not merely inadequate to the challenge posed by climate change, but inherently “neoliberal” or regressive. And the resolution also declines to call for any public investment in carbon-capture technology. This position would have made eminent sense 20 years ago, given the potential moral hazards and unintended consequences of building machines to suck carbon out of the air. But thanks to decades of monstrous inaction, humanity no longer has the luxury of leaving carbon capture out of its toolkit.

Also in its FAQs, Ocasio-Cortez’s office apologetically concedes that “we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes” within the next decade. This is intended as a wry bit of understatement, gently explaining to an imaginary leftist interlocutor why the Green New Deal merely demands a transition to 100 percent zero-emission energy sources within ten years, rather than 100 percent renewable ones. But disaffected “degrowthers” are not a potent force in American political life, and pose no practical threat to the passage of ambitious climate legislation. The Republican Party, by contrast is and does. And casually suggesting that the Democratic Party would ideally like to ban beef and airplanes by 2029 will do more to excite GOP ad makers than to pacify lefter-than-thou environmentalists.

All this said, to harp on these arguable flaws would be to miss the reforestation for the trees. The Green New Deal resolution might show undue deference to ultraleftists, but it still doesn’t defer to them much at all: The resolution does not call for decommissioning existing nuclear plants (as Bernie Sanders’s 2016 climate plan did), or insist on 100 percent reliance on renewable energy within a decade, or rule out expansions of hydroelectric power (as a coalition of environmental groups recently demanded in a letter to Congress). The Green New Deal doesn’t give an inch to the center’s hallucinatory conception of climate realism; it insists on the necessity of massive, state-directed investments in transforming our nation’s energy infrastructure. But it also evinces a pragmatic openness to reducing the carbon intensity of American energy use by (almost) all available means, renewable or otherwise.

More critically, the most legislatively unrealistic aspect of the GND — its inclusion of damn near every item on progressives’ policy wish list — is actually one of its most politically pragmatic features; so long as you take the Green New Deal seriously, but not literally.

One of the biggest obstacles to major congressional action on climate change has been that, while virtually every Democratic interest group sees climate change as a problem, relatively few see it as their top problem. The AFL-CIO wants Democrats to prioritize card-check and various other labor-law reforms. Health-care activists want the party to prioritize universal coverage. Immigrant-rights groups want relief for the undocumented; racial-justice advocates want housing desegregation, criminal justice reform, and new voting rights protections. Environmental groups exist, of course, and they’re better funded than many other progressive organizations. But they don’t command all that large an army. Climate remains a much more abstract concern for rank-and-file Democrats than wages or health-care costs. For this reason, climate took a backseat to the Affordable Care Act in 2009 — and had been largely ignored by the party’s 2020 candidates until AOC forced Green New Deal onto their agenda. (Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, Cory Booker, and Kamala Harris had collectively put forward ambitious policies on health care, housing, criminal justice, the racial wealth gap, child care, wage stagnation, corporate governance reform, and legal ganja — but virtually nothing on the small issue of how to ensure that human civilization outlives Barron Trump.)

Given this reality, AOC’s decision to append a wide variety of progressive goals — each with its own influential constituency — to her climate plan is tactically sound: If the entire Democratic agenda is rebranded as the “Green New Deal,” a future Democratic government will be less likely to ignore the central importance of climate sustainability to all of its other policy goals; which is to say, a future Democratic government will be less likely to de-prioritize preventing ecological catastrophe.

In other words: If one understands the Green New Deal as a device for maximizing the prospects for congressional action on climate in the near term, then its ideological maximalism is actually pragmatic. And I think that this is how one should understand it. Ed Markey and AOC know that they are not co-emperors of the United States. They understand that whatever they demand will inevitably get filtered through House committees, Senate negotiations, Joe Manchin’s cerebral cortex, and emerge in radically altered form. And they surely know that said form will not be an omnibus bill that enacts single-payer health care, a jobs guarantee, public housing for all, and a comprehensive transformation of America’s energy, agricultural, and transit infrastructure.

As a mechanism for raising expectations for what qualifies as a progressive climate policy — and increasing the probability that Congress passes such a policy within the next decade — the Green New Deal is politically realistic. As a blueprint for a climate bill that is both legislatively viable, and commensurate with the scale of the ecological threat humanity faces, it is not.

But neither is anything else.

Last month, a bipartisan group of esteemed economists, including four former chairs of the Federal Reserve, unveiled the Establishment’s consensus answer to the riddle of climate change. The technocrats called on the U.S. to establish a carbon tax and dividend program in which the tax on carbon would “increase every year until emissions reductions goals are met.”

This was a laudable proposal in many respects. But it was hardly a realistic one: According to the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, to meet the Paris Agreement’s emissions-reduction goals primarily through carbon taxes would require raising the price of carbon “20 times higher than current levels in Europe.” Carbon dividends notwithstanding, it seems safe to say that the U.S. Congress will not be passing a bill that makes filling up your car many times less affordable than it is for Europeans any time soon.

There is simply no way to mount a realistic response to climate change without changing political reality. And for now, the Green New Deal is the most realistic plan we’ve got for doing the latter.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2019 09:27 pm
@ehBeth,
Good piece, beth
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2019 09:31 pm
@ehBeth,
And so is that one. This young lady is making pretty big waves. Amazing.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 07:52 am
https://gritpost.com/ocasio-cortez-reject-2020-candidate/?fbclid=IwAR0aLVoq33Ycwil5UQPNDWNMIvpD7aGfwwuV9vpA1tusmQd7T8xWbbZLHdQ
in an interview published Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-California) dismissed the massively popular signature proposal of Ocasio-Cortez, the Green New Deal, as “the green dream or whatever.”

Specifically on healthcare, Hillary Clinton in her failed presidential bid in 2016 argued that health emergencies couldn’t wait on a “theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass.”

Looking at the 2020 field, Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) and Cory Booker (D-New Jersey) have tried to straddle the divide on Medicare for All, co-sponsoring legislation to implement it while advocating for less drastic alternatives.

Meanwhile, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-California) went farther, advocating abolishing the health insurance industry. That move was outside the expected response that her staff walked it back somewhat, saying she was open to less radical solutions so long as Medicare for All was the goal.

Medicare for All is also massively popular with the American people.

“I want a 2020 candidate that says we can do these things. We can be audacious,” said Ocasio-Cortez. “In order to overcome this moment we need to return to our FDR roots as a party.”

That’s an apt reference for the Congresswoman to make. Both in direct reference and in the scope of her plan, her signature proposal harkens back to President Roosevelt’s New Deal. More than that, historian Rick Perlstein has directly compared her to other progressive superstars Roosevelt and Kennedy.

And not just because they go by three initials.

That popular charisma of Ocasio-Cortez will likely make her endorsement important to the veritable flock of Democratic hopefuls, and she’s laid out what it’ll take to get that endorsement — never saying never.



Katelyn Kivel is a contributing editor and senior legal reporter for Grit Post in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Follow her on Twitter @KatelynKivel.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 07:58 am
@edgarblythe,
Sigh Edgar. Just sigh.

Quote:
“No, I think it is a green dream,” Ocasio-Cortez said Thursday when asked if she was offended by Pelosi’s comments. “I think that all great American programs, everything from the Great Society to the New Deal, started with a vision for our future, and I don’t consider that to be a dismissive term. I think it’s a great term.”

“There is no greater champion on climate change than Nancy Pelosi,” Markey said, following up Ocasio-Cortez’s response.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 12:53 pm
@maporsche,
The anti-Pelosi sentiments quite befuddle me. There is rather a lot going on in the communities edgar attends to which align directly with right wing propaganda efforts.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 01:08 pm
Another slag of AOC from Limbaugh
Quote:
RUSH LIMBAUGH (HOST): And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has a whole bunch of brain guards, that's what I call them, on Twitter. She has a couple of million of brain guards. Her Twitter followers eagerly defend her from every stupid utterance that she makes. She is shielded and protected from this stupidity and naivety. They prop her up at every opportunity, whereas she might learn from failure and might learn from some of these mistakes -- she's not given the chance. They prop her up, they continue to fill her with this head-expanding, head-swilling idolatry to the point that she is approaching, in her own mind, goddess-like status. And she literally believes, no matter how stupid we think it is, how dangerous we think it is, how ignorant, how laughably unbelievable we think it is, she believes it and she's got these two million Twitter followers that back her up and prop her up and rationalize her with every one of her utterances.

And some people might think, well that's good Rush! An ignorant, spotlight loving, clueless fool who the media promotes as the face and future of the Democrat Party will have a short shelf-life. Well, in a sane world governed by common sense that would be the case. And at some point some might say, Rush this is so bad, this is so embarrassing, that at some point the media is going to be embarrassed and is going to take her down. We are nowhere near that yet.

This, along with much else of exactly the same sort, is detailed by Media Matters which is and has been the most valuable watchdog of US right wing propaganda for a decade and a half. It was, of course, founded and run by David Brock until 2010 when Angelo Carusone took over as President. Brock's book The Republican Noise Machine ought to be required reading.

And Lash, for one, holds Brock as any enemy of the left.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 01:35 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Another slag of AOC from Limbaugh

You know, these anti-AOC idiots have been responsible for so much attention and publicity that they've probably helped build the woman into the phenomenon she is today.

Some people might be repeating the same mistake with regard to the Pelosi woman.

hightor
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 02:16 pm
Katelyn Kivel wrote:
Rick Perlstein has directly compared her to other progressive superstars Roosevelt and Kennedy.

And not just because they go by three initials.


I don't think of JFK as a "progressive" — RFK maybe. LBJ was FDR's heir.

I think the FDR nostalgia is lame, and I've said so before. While not above criticism, he was clearly one of our greatest presidents but he and the movement which supported him really belong to another era. Resurrecting the spirit of the 1930s isn't going to carry us to victory in the 2020s.

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Roosevelt had put together what came to be called the "New Deal Coalition," an alliance of voters from different regions of the country and from racial, religious and ethnic groups. The coalition combined southern Protestants, northern Jews, Catholics and blacks from urban areas, labor union members, small farmers in the middle west and Plains states, and liberals and radicals.

millercenter

Some of those groups have greatly diminished in size and influence and others have become so transmogrified as to now form a solid part of the Retrumplican base, like the "southern protestants". And another thing — we remember FDR because he convincingly won power with huge majorities across the entire nation. He didn't squeak by with help from the electoral college. He actually won a clear mandate from the majority of voters instead of relying on the coalition of cults politicians now consider their "base".

Quote:
As one worker put it in 1936, Roosevelt "is the first man in the White House to understand that my boss is a son of a (expletive.)"


Still gotta love the guy!
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 03:12 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
You know, these anti-AOC idiots have been responsible for so much attention and publicity that they've probably helped build the woman into the phenomenon she is today.
I think that is unquestionably true. But savaging individuals on the left is the only response these people have to offer. And it is what their trained viewers now have an overwhelming appetite for. Plus, we ought to add, as a commercial enterprise, they need to fill up their minutes with something and this stuff fits the bill. Thinking about this a little, it occurs to me that Fox, Limbaugh etc divide their slagging in two directions - the traditional enemies their base is familiar with (Hillary, Pelosi, etc) and new enemies. That's not only logically/politically necessary but it also helps them keep their audience - "Here's some fresh and horrifying threat we have to tell you about".

But they do this because it has worked for them. Not least because they've become adept at framing their bullshit such that mainstream media (with their own need to fill up minutes and pages) carry much of it as well. This is what happened with the Clintons.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 03:17 pm
@hightor,
Yes, FDR's time and situation were not really comparable with this modern world.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 03:20 pm
Let me once again evangelize for the very bright folks at Pod Save America
https://crooked.com/podcast/organize-the-rage/
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 03:36 pm
@blatham,
I'm not at all persuaded that AOC's proposals should receive serious attention from anyone. They are all vague, superficial, devoid of any concrete detail and completely lacking in any consideration of the feasibility of actually attaining them, or of the likely costs and side effects of doing so.

They are merely a rather childish compendium of vague goals that reveal the author's lack of understanding of either history or economics. Her enthusiasm and advocacy for thinking big and fixing on distant goals might be useful if it was accompanied by some evidence of wisdom and understanding. Unfortunately it is not.

All that said it, she and her new Green program is getting a lot of attention from the usual quarters. In terms of its short term political effects, AOC certainly has very quickly made herself a popular and prominent new figure in the Democrat Party, and a likely successor to Bernie Sanders in the leadership of its looney left.

I believe that as the competition among the many Democrat contenders, now positioning themselves for the next presidential primary, unfolds we will see some toning down of it all, as considerations of feasibility and electability take hold. It is interesting to note that Speaker Pelosi, herself a seasoned and accomplished politician, appears to have accepted AOC's ideas as expressing some rather distant goals and principles, but has also quietly and pointedly separated them from the still evolving Democrat platform, the structure and content of which she intends to lead.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 06:20 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I'm not at all persuaded that AOC's proposals should receive serious attention from anyone. They are all vague, superficial, devoid of any concrete detail and completely lacking in any consideration of the feasibility of actually attaining them, or of the likely costs and side effects of doing so.

They are merely a rather childish compendium of vague goals that reveal the author's lack of understanding of either history or economics. Her enthusiasm and advocacy for thinking big and fixing on distant goals might be useful if it was accompanied by some evidence of wisdom and understanding. Unfortunately it is not.

I hope you'll understand that such criticism, coming from a supporter of a presidential candidate whose campaign proposals were as educated, thoughtful and detailed as "I'll make America great again" and "I'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" is not terribly compelling. Just re-read those two paragraphs of yours I've quoted with Trump in mind. For the love o god! Yes, she's young and has a lot to learn but it is clearly evident that she is neither lazy nor superficial not uneducated. She has clearly put more work into this aspirational document than anything that has has come from Trump. By far.

Pelosi's "criticism" of AOC's plan is rather different than right wing media (or edgar's crowd) is suggesting. And Pelosi is quite correct in understanding that the goals laid out by AOC and Markey will not be easily nor immediately achieved. And we have no good reason to simply assume that AOC and Markey are unaware of the road ahead.

But that is the nature of aspirational goals and projects. Particularly in a nation of 300 million people and immense and powerful entities standing in the path. The Federalist Society and other such right wing political entities began their projects many decades ago. This is no different with the exception that the RW projects were usually more covert in their goals and those goals were almost universally exclusionary and designed to keep power in the hands of a very few.

Also, your zipper is open.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 07:36 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
RFK maybe. LBJ was FDR's heir.

His "Great Society" started the mess we are in now. He was a hack and a racist, for real.
hightor
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 03:37 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
He was a hack and a racist, for real.

Okay. A "hack" whose mastery of the legislative process led to many far-reaching pieces of social legislation.

A "racist" who passed the two major civil rights bills, appointed the first African-American justice to the Supreme Court, began programs to reduce poverty, and passed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act. Those are the kinds of "racists" aren't that objectionable.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 04:47 am
@hightor,
I'm not surprised at this shameless endorsement of leftist race baiting and racism.

But I am appalled. Sad
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 08:21 am
@blatham,
I generally agree with you about the nature of aspirational goals. however the number and detail that AOC has provided dwarfs Trumps rather simple and inclusive, "Make America great again." The latter had, and still has, real meaning underlying a number of topical issue afoot in today's world. Moreover Trump has indeed taken concrete and so far effective deals to add meaning to his words. While in contrast, the majority of OAC's are either starkly unachievable, or in some other cases, directly contrary to the letter and spirit of our constitution and tradition of individual freedom and initiative.

I don't think that, as a Trump supporter I am any less qualified or entitled to comment on the AOC matter than are you as a left wing citizen of Canada.

Consider the following Trump accomplishments that support his MAGA aspirational goal;
=> Economic growth rates are up significantly over the previous decade, and a steady decline in our work force participation rate has been reversed, along with an equally significant reduction in the unemployment rate, particularly for so called disadvantaged groups.
=> He has forcefully addressed the continuing decline in the power and potential of NATO and already brought about substantial improvements in the defense spending and readiness of many of our Allies. Some current NATO contingency plans call for the rapid deployment to Europe of U.S. Tactical air squadrons to support European regiments and divisions that no longer exist - a matter of real concern to the Baltic nations.
=> He has reversed the former inaction and periodic accommodation that has characterized our dealings with N. Korea for decades and created the foundation for reform in the region that just might be successful. In the interim that nation has actually stopped some of its threatening actions - something not achieved before.
=> He has effectively addressed issues in international trade ( some in hand and some still pending) that were slowly sapping our country's economic welfare and indeed security as well.
=> He has separated the U.S from some foolish international arrangements that were creating unenforceable illusions of progress in issues such as reducing CO2 emissions and containing an increasingly tyrannical and locally unpopular regime in Iran.
=> He has facilitated a mass increase in natural gas production that has enabled a far greater reduction in our CO2 emissions in a few years than has been achieved in decades of subsidized and forced development of so called renewable sources here.
=> He has revitalized a decaying U.S. military establishment, while at the same time starting our disengagement from wars ( such as that in Afghanistan) that are truly unending and unwinnable.

He is vulgar and sometimes brutally outspoken and, as his opponents describe, lacking in nuance. However, nuance has simply become a contemporary leftist code word for vague bullshit.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 10:31 am
Dems cave, offer wall money.


Underscoring the clout he’s lost during a battle that’s dominated the opening weeks of divided government, the amount seems sure to fall much closer to $1.6 billion, the participants said, a figure that was in a bipartisan Senate bill last year.

‘‘That’s what we’re working toward,’’ said Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard, D-Calif., one bargainer.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 10:34 am
If true it proves asshole Dems can't abide Democracy.

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/09/ocasio-cortez-district-redistricting-2020/?fbclid=IwAR08Bwts5CbLtgU38xzMung3JZ51M5jC1y6vfggdXE0lOajWkYpFs7VcOPU

NEW YORK DEMOCRATS COULD ELIMINATE OCASIO-CORTEZ’S DISTRICT AFTER 2020
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