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@Lash,

And now we'll add Sherrod Brown to the list of Dems you are going to slag.

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@blatham,

Good. Then you know I switched parties to Independent after Reagan’s second term. I did say I mostly voted for Republicans after that, but was open to Democrats.

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@blatham,

Definitely Kamala. All day, everyday.

I respect Tulsi, but I’m not sure I can vote for her. I have a few criticisms of Warren, but not sure they preclude a vote.

Sherrod is toast.

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@blatham,

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I like that formulation heading up para 2... "Your party is split"

Other than that though, your posting history here over the last 15+ years surely does validate your claims to sincere and consistent progressivism. We've all witnessed it. We trust you.

Oh, didn't you know, Lash speaks for all progressives and knows what every true progressive thinks and says because she is in the loop. Someone should tell her, her pooh stinks the same as everyone else's. It is the self righteousness that gets to me, its downright nauseating.

Aren't you from Canada? How is your party up there? Split is it?

Our Democrat party is split, there is no getting around it. It is because some of the way out there leftist progressives who gives their own litmus test to every single democrat they run across. I wish they had enough courage to form their own party and get it over with and leave us neo-liberals alone.

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Prime-time Fox shows have mentioned Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez over 4 times more than Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell
Sean Hannity alone mentioned Ocasio-Cortez more than all prime-time shows combined referenced McConnell

MM

As I've argued earlier, the right wing media grasps how dangerous this woman is. Things will change as candidates get winnowed down but it is my expectation that women candidates will be attacked most frequently (again, they know they have a HUGE problem with women voters).

And a key way they'll do this is to identify those women with Hillary. In marketing language, this is called "positioning" - the attempt to associate, in peoples' minds, your product with something positive or as in this case to identify the product/candidate with something negative.

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@revelette1,

The party he shills for 24/7 here.

I am involved in an extensive network of progressives who feel the same way I do. It’s remarkable how we recognize one another by our views.

Taking money from pharmaceutical industries, Wall Street, and oil companies is an immediate deal breaker. Waffling on Medicare for All is an immediate deal breaker.

Other policies are negotiable, but we all read everything we can find about what they have said previously and how they’ve voted.

I don’t know why everyone doesn’t do the same thing.

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@revelette1,

Yes. Her claim to superior progressive bona fides is rather like Trump's claims to respect women.

Yes, Canada. Our parties here are all split. The Brit conservatives and labor parties are split. The GOP is split. That will be true in Australia, New Zealand, France or anywhere other than a totalitarian state. It's not a bad thing, overall. It's what you'd want to see.

But Lash is playing a game here. There's no intention to see Dems work together. That's what she apparently does not want. She's doing, as Scott Walker put it, "divide and conquer". It's a staple GOP strategy.

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@blatham,

If the Dems backing corporations would give up their bribes and serve the people , we’d elect the most popular president since FDR.

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@Lash,

Like I said if the new progressives want to divide and conquer based on their own made up litmus tests (thereby making themselves judge and jury), although it is self defeating for their aspirations, have them form their own party and leave real democrats alone. You don't go into a party wanting to weed out every single person you perceive is not up to the standards you came in with. But ya'll know you won't have the same advantages of being an independent party so ya'll latched on to ours trying to take it over and doing a pretty good job. Along the way, ya'll have gotten rid of some good liberal democrats just because they said, something like, "the country is ready for some new faces and fresh ideas..." I have noticed AOC does not speak the same way as you speak which is why I like her and can listen to her progressive ideas.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

But Lash is playing a game here. There's no intention to see Dems work together. That's what she apparently does not want. She's doing, as Scott Walker put it, "divide and conquer". It's a staple GOP strategy.

I don't claim to know what Lash may or may not be doing. However it very strongly appears the Dems are themselves doing a very good job of radicalizing, and to a growing extent, polarizing their internal structures without any evident Republican assistance. They have a history of internal factionism and the The rapid ascent of Reps, OAC and Omar is a telling indicator of a new rising trend. Moreover the policies they are so vigorously advocating and for which they are exciting a good deal of media attention, are themselves, radical, idiotic and sure losers in future elections.

This problem isn't unique to Democrats, as the Republicans have already provided a good (and likely telling) example in their 2016 Presidential primary and many subsequent actions. Indeed to a large extent it appears to be a trend of the current era.

The folly of blaming these obvious internal issues on the opposing political party however does appear to be a mainly left wing characteristic, as Blatham has well illustrated.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

Harris' positions on near all issues is no less progressive than Sanders'.

I think with Harris it's more her track record than the positions she currently espouses that worries progressives, no? And there are legitimately many progressives who are criticizing her, especially on criminal justice.

I also think Sanders has proven, over many years, to push a social-democratic agenda and belief system in a way that's both more consistent and more fully elaborated than some of the other Dem politicians who are now embracing things like Medicare 4 All. Which does matter if you're weighing up how much you believe a President will make an issue their top priority, and live up to their promises about it.

That doesn't mean I'd necessarily vote for Bernie if I were American... there are other concerns to take into account. For one, I'm sorry, but he'd be 87 by the end of a potential second term. But I do think it's fair to say he embodies an authentically left-wing perspective in a way that none of the other candidates do, though Warren comes closest.

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@revelette1,

Different parts of the Democratic Party, from Blue Dogs on the right to Progressives on the left, have always set "litmus tests" when it comes to choosing which candidates they're willing to back in a primary. That doesn't seem particularly controversial, it's arguably what primaries are for. And progressives have been an important part of the Democratic coalition since at least, what, the 1930s?, so I'm not sure it's helpful to set up a dichotomy between progressive Democrats and "real Democrats".

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@nimh,

nimh wrote:

I also think Sanders has proven, over many years, to push a social-democratic agenda and belief system in a way that's both more consistent and more fully elaborated...

That elaboration has A LOT to do with a previous presidential run against a candidate who had quite a bit more policies planned out.

At this point in his first campaign, Sanders had no real plan for his agenda or belief system either. It took until half way through the primaries IIRC before he started to put some proposals with actual details out there.

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@nimh,

nimh wrote:

... so I'm not sure it's helpful to set up a dichotomy between progressive Democrats and "real Democrats".

It's not Rev that's creating the dichotomy

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And so it begins...

Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard

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The Russian propaganda machine that tried to influence the 2016 U.S. election is now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat who earlier this month declared her intention to run for president in 2020.

An NBC News analysis of the main English-language news sites employed by Russia in its 2016 election meddling shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, who is set to make her formal announcement Saturday, has become a favorite of the sites Moscow used when it interfered in 2016.

nbcnews

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@revelette1,

You’re a little nutty.

The ‘real’ democrats were liberals in spirit as well as policy. They did lose big elections on McGovern Dukakis, etc, so some Democrats decided to move right, employ superdelegates etc to keep liberal democrats out of power, to avoid future embarrassment.

The business- minded democrats moved far to the right and became guilty of a lot of the same things you decry about the Republicans, so much so that when we had an authentic kick ass liberal, barnstorming the country, who attracted those core authentic liberal democrats and a coalition of Independents, new millennial voters, and black voters sick of the democrats —- instead of embracing a winner, the righty corporate Dems shiv’d him. He could have won and changed the disgusting morass America has become. People who have died needing healthcare would be alive.

That party doesn’t belong to corporate democrats. I’m joining with the liberal branch to take it for liberals.

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@maporsche,

Untrue.

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@hightor,

Jesus Christ. The news is practically saying she’s working for Russia.

The new McCarthyism has arrived big as ****.

I guess McCarthmueller will have a full time job.

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@Lash,

I read it more that Russia was working for her. Or, perhaps more accurately, Russia is using her for its own purposes.

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Elizabeth Warren
Destroys CNBC Anchors

Elizabeth Warren has a message for any television personalities questioning the merits of increased financial regulation:

"You're wrong"

Published July 18, 2013

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