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I don't have anything against her, I don't have too much for either. But to actually compare herself to MLK, the woman thinks a lot of herself. She seems to me to be a bit of a glory/media hound.

I wasn't aware of the MLK comparison. However my impression is that she is immature and unaware or unwilling to accept the limitations of her own knowledge and understanding. That's a dangerous quality for one who seeks political power. That said, I suspect he appeal will quickly fade.

Just to clarify:

She didn’t say she couldn’t be wrong, and
Ad hom is the universal way of undercutting a person’s message.

Surely, you know that from personal experience.

She certainly implied she couldn't be wrong, emphasizing her mother's supposed advice to ignore the criticism of others . Moreover she simply ignored her interlocutors suggestion that she improved her knowledge of the subjects she was so inaccurately addressing.

Both are obvious from the context described.

I haven't criticized either her character or motives - only her actions.
Surely you know from your experience that is not an "ad hominem" attack.

I wasn’t suggesting *you* leveled an ad hom, but that her enemies and the enemies of her policies are working overtime calling her ‘young lady’, a kid who should ‘sit down and be still’, and telling her to ‘stop acting like a kid’ are trying to belittle her to censure her message.

I definitely understand why she’s wary of criticism, having read those insulting attacks.

Ta-Nehesi Coates compared her to MLK. Try to get it right.

From the text you quoted:

Her response alluded to her upbringing, with a mother who taught her the importance of not paying too much attention to others' criticisms. Ocasio-Cortez said she knows it's a deliberate strategy to attack her, the messenger, so it discredits her message.

“too much attention”

None of us should pay “too much attention” to criticism, but surely some attention to it leads to needed reflection...

I find your remarks concerning her typically condescending towards women you have a difference of opinions with.

Can you clear up the confusion here? This is the direct quote from the ABC News article:


Thanks.

I don't know what attacks you are referring to, however the various comments I have read follow rather directly from her repeated inanities. Perhaps she should reserve some of her skepticism for her own inadequate understanding of the things she, so blithely, proposes we do.

Rather than seeing the criticism as an insult, she should recognize it as an indicator that she needs to expand her understanding.

A practical definition of a fool is one who does not recognize or will not accept the limits of his/her own knowledge, and instead of correcting this defect, treats the criticism as insults.

Back at you.

I'm too slow, I was doing that... but never mind.

I recall what I thought was an error in her argument once. “Repeated inanities”? Would you mind being specific about her specific repeated inanities?

I know almost everyone in politics has repeated inanities. I wonder if hers are worse than Bush’s? Trump’s? Ryan’s? McConnell’s?

But the stand-out moment of the night was a special conversation between award-winning author and journalist Ta-Nehisi Coates and freshman Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The first time the two have shared the same stage, Coates began the conversation by saying when he was asked who in the political scene today embodies King's radical vision, he believed it was Ocasio-Cortez.
(Comparing her vision to King’s—actually saying she embodied it.)

"The real issues of our country do not belong to a party, they are baked into our culture," Ocasio-Cortez said, discussing the first time she truly felt aware of her racial identity. Growing up in a white community in the Bronx, and later attending school in a liberal, affluent suburb, Ocasio-Cortez, the daughter of a domestic worker, said she was the only Puerto Rican in her classroom.

Coates didn't beat around the bush, telling Ocasio-Cortez straight up that she
needed to address a lack of general knowledge surrounding many of her proposals.

Her response alluded to her upbringing, with a mother who taught her the importance of not paying too much attention to others' criticisms. Ocasio-Cortez said she knows it's a deliberate strategy to attack her, the messenger, so it discredits her message.

She added that the way she's being treated is not unlike a few of the criticisms lobbed at King in the 1960s.

(Comparing her treatment by others to how King was treated.)

I hope you understood the difference.

I hope you understand it was Cortez who added to remarks that her treatment is not unlike that of the criticism of MLK. It is just a tad hyperbolic.

I hope you understand she said, exactly: “not unlike a few of the criticisms lobbed at King in the 1960s”.

A few of the criticisms....

You read incorrectly.

It's all a bunch of character assassination, these criticisms of OAC. They attack her because her positions align so well with Bernie Sanders. If she sounded like Hillary the Dems attacking her would be loving her as much as her followers.

A couple of Facebook comments about the Post article.

Judith A Lateer: She didn't say she gives 0 fucks about what they think. She said she gives 0 fucks when they tell her to shut up, not make waves, and wait her turn. That's different than not caring about what they think in general.

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Vita Brighton: But it fits there narrative better this way, right? Partial quote, total shade.

A distinction with no meaningful difference. Enough on my end. I just don't care about her one way or another to be honest.

It’s a huge difference. Not surprised you don’t see it—or admit it.

No sweat that you don’t care about AOC, but you should care your accuracy and integrity.