Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2018 02:57 pm
@revelette1,
Amen, amen, amen.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2018 03:22 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

Quote:
...all those fools who voted for George Bush twice...


It was an indication at the time (2000 & 2004), that, the Democrats were already on a narrow road. Gore was nominated primarily due to his being the Clinton follow-up. A common, and often times ridiculous way to do things; however, this idiocy has run on for years, within all political parties. Think of how different things would have been if George H. W. Busy had won in '92. Dan Quayle likely would have been the nominee.

At any rate, Al Gore was not a great candidate. I believe he would have been a lousy President. One term only. In 2004, the Dems put up John Kerry, another bad move.

These days it's getting more and more difficult to distinguish Republicans from Democrats as they both continue drifting to the right. A change, a big change is necessary or the country will truly be self-destructed.

As for your claim that George W. Bush ruined the economy, keep in mind some seeds of the ruin had been sown in the Clinton years.


Sign me,
Content with my voting record, including twice for George W. Bush (the only Republican Presidential candidate I ever selected). Also am a supporter of Bernie Sanders and the brand of progressive he is presenting.

In general, I agree with this. Except I see Gore as a feckless candidate but think he would have made a better president than the ones we have had since and including Bill Clinton.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2018 06:03 pm
I notice people who say progressives should have voted for Clinton, putting the good of the country first, never get that establishment dems could have avoided the situation by simply conducting an honest election FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY. The progressives would have accepted a win or lose situation, but not getting railroaded at every turn. It's always the progressives who are faulted, not the dishonest establishment (Who moved mountains to give Trump his party's nomination).
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2018 06:11 pm
@edgarblythe,
There was nothing only one acceptable choice in November 2016. Anyone who didn’t take that choice d serves all they are getting now and MORE.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2018 06:42 pm
@edgarblythe,
So it was a revenge vote, I gotcha, you had that choice but don't get upset when someone points out that when it came down to Clinton and Trump, picking a third party or staying home; had the net effect of electing Trump. Simple fact. Clinton would have made a way better President than Trump.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2018 08:46 pm
@edgarblythe,
The establishment Dems accept no blame for a debacle of their own making.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2018 09:59 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

The establishment Dems accept no blame for a debacle of their own making.


Bull. ****.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 02:32 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
The establishment Dems accept no blame for a debacle of their own making.

There is plenty of blame to go around to why Trump is in the White House. The establishment dems are part to blame. James Comey is part to blame. Hillary Clinton and how she ran her campaign is part to blame. The Russian meddling is part to blame. The voters who voted for Jill Stein are part to blame. The people who decided to stay home and not vote is part to blame. All of those reasons are part to blame to why our worst president in generations, Donald Trump, is currently in the White House. There is plenty of blame to go around. Now, it's time to look forward and make sure that Trump isn't re-elected to a second term. I will gladly vote for Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or any other democrat to prevent Trump from serving a second term.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 06:46 am
@Real Music,
As is your right.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 08:15 am
“Is My Vote Being Counted?” Group Investigates Alleged Voter Suppression in Arizona
by Shawn M. Griffiths in Campaigns Aug 7, 2018

multiple layers of inept — possibly corrupt — election administration practices in the county that have led to vast numbers of valid ballot petition signatures being discarded, voters being removed from the active voter rolls, and even mail-in ballots that are not being counted.

How is that a voter who has voted in every single election is reported to have voted in few elections? And, How is that large numbers of voters sign ballot petition signatures without knowing their voter registration status?

Jenn and Shawn discuss these questions and more in the latest episode of “In Full Color.”

https://ivn.us/2018/08/07/my-vote-being-counted-group-investigates-alleged-voter-suppression-arizona/
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 08:18 am
https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2018/8/12/aee9c93dc326490692074df366a37bd3_18.jpg
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 09:23 am
@edgarblythe,
Oh Ed, the world is a depressing place at the moment.

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Though there's still some nations that haven't bought into this populist fascist bullshit.
Canada is a shining liberal light along with some European countries.

We live in hope people will come to their senses and stop this right-wing nationalistic lunacy.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 10:48 am
@eurocelticyankee,
Quote:
Canada is a shining liberal light along with some European countries.

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 12:09 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
How the “Palestinians” Were Invented

Quote:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.


One big lie, driven by Islam and its hate for Jews. End of story.
http://thewashingtonstandard.com/
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 01:57 pm
How Media Launders Gaza Massacres by Labeling Them as ‘Clashes’
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/laundering-a-massacre-by-labeling-it-a-clash/

As FAIR has noted before (e.g., Extra!, 1/17; FAIR.org, 4/2/18), the term “clash” is almost always used to launder power asymmetry and give the reader the impression of two equal warring sides. It obscures power dynamics and the nature of the conflict itself, e.g., who instigated it and what weapons if any were used. “Clash” is a reporter’s best friend when they want to describe violence without offending anyone in power—in the words of George Orwell, “to name things without calling up mental pictures of them.”

It’s predictable, then, that in coverage of Israel’s recent mass shootings in Gaza—which have killed over 30 Palestinians and injured more than 1,100—the word “clashes” is used to euphemize snipers in fortified positions firing on unarmed protesters 100 meters away:

Journalist Among 9 Dead in Latest Gaza Clashes, Palestinian Health Officials Say (CNN, 4/7/18)
Burning Tires, Tear Gas and Live Fire: Gaza Clashes Turn Deadly (Washington Post, 4/6/18)
Demonstrators Wounded as Gaza Clashes Resume (Reuters, 4/7/18)
After Gaza Clash, Israel and Palestinians Fight With Videos and Words (New York Times, 4/1/18)
When one side is dying by the dozens and the other is sitting behind a heavily secured wall, firing at will on unarmed people from hundreds of feet away (some of whom are wearing vests marked “PRESS”), this is not a “clash.” It’s more accurately described as a “massacre,” or at the very least, “firing on protesters.” (No Israelis have been injured, which would be a surprising thing if two sides were actually “clashing.”)



New York Times, 3/25/11

The fig leaf of “clashes” is not needed in reporting on US enemies. In 2011, Western headlines routinely described Libya’s Moammar Gaddafi and Syria’s Bashar al-Assad as having “fired on protesters” (Guardian, 2/20/11; New York Times, 3/25/11). Simple plain English works when reporting on those in bad standing with the US national security establishment, but for allies of the United States, the push for false parity requires increasingly absurd euphemisms to mask what’s really going on—in this case, the long-distance slaughter of unarmed human beings.

Israel has a state-of-the-art military: F35s, Sa’ar corvettes, Merkava tanks and Hellfire missiles, not to mention the most intrusive surveillance apparatus in the world; total control over the air, sea and land. In the Great March of Return protests, the Palestinians have employed rocks, tires and, according to the IDF, the occasional Molotov cocktail, though no independent evidence has emerged of the latter being used. The power asymmetry is one of the largest of any conflict in the world, yet Western media still cling on an institutional level to a “cycle of violence” frame, with “both sides” depicted as equal parties. The term “clashes” permits them to do this in perpetuity, no matter how one-sided the violence becomes.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 04:09 pm
@edgarblythe,
Journalist Among 9 Dead in Latest Gaza Clashes, Palestinian Health Officials
Quote:
Say (CNN, 4/7/18)
Burning Tires, Tear Gas and Live Fire: Gaza Clashes Turn Deadly (Washington Post, 4/6/18)
Demonstrators Wounded as Gaza Clashes Resume (Reuters, 4/7/18)
After Gaza Clash, Israel and Palestinians Fight With Videos and Words (New York Times, 4/1/18)
When one side is dying by the dozens and the other is sitting behind a heavily secured wall, firing at will on unarmed people from hundreds of feet away (some of whom are wearing vests marked “PRESS”), this is not a “clash.” It’s more accurately described as a “massacre,” or at the very least, “firing on protesters.” (No Israelis have been injured, which would be a surprising thing if two sides were actually “clashing.”)

The media ignores these too.

Quote:
Other Recent "Misunderstandings
of Islam"

2018.08.11 (Yemen)
Two children are disassembled by an Ansar Allah rocket.

2018.08.10 (Iraq)
Five members of the same family are machine-gunned by Islamic State loyalists.

2018.08.09 (Afghanistan)
Two children are purged by Taliban bombers.

2018.08.08 (Afghanistan)
Four children are among eight ripped apart by Islamic 'insurgent' shrapnel.

2018.08.08 (Pakistan)
Sectarian gunmen take out three Shiite civilians.

2018.08.07 (DRC)
ADF Islamists capture and slaughter fourteen innocents.

(Note: Data for each attack is sometimes pulled from multiple sources. The provided link may not be in complete agreement with the updated detail for the incident).

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 05:20 pm
@coldjoint,
Don't look over here. Look over there.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 06:15 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Don't look over here. Look over there.

You are looking at the same thing. Islamic deadly aggression. It is what they do.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 06:31 pm
@coldjoint,
The only good Indian is a dead Indian. Right?
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2018 06:34 pm
https://www.truthdig.com/videos/the-biggest-threat-to-our-democracy-that-you-havent-heard-of/

The biggest threat to our democracy that nobody is talking about is the real possibility of a rogue constitutional convention—empowering extremists to radically reshape the Constitution, our laws and our country.

If just a few more states sign on to what’s called an “Article V convention” for a balanced budget amendment, there’s no limit to the damage they might do.

Let me explain.

There are two ways to amend the United States Constitution: One way—the way we’ve passed every amendment since the Bill of Rights—is for two-thirds of the House and two-thirds of the Senate to vote for a proposed amendment, and then have it ratified by at least three quarters of the states—now 38 in number.

But there’s a second way to amend the Constitution. Two-thirds of the states may demand that Congress form a constitutional convention to propose amendments.

Once such a constitutional convention is convened, there are no rules to limit or constrain what comes next.

Amendments proposed by an Article V convention are supposed to be ratified by 38 states. But convention delegates could hijack the process and change the ratification process itself, tossing out the 38-state requirement.

A balanced budget amendment would be crazy enough. But nothing would be safe. A woman’s right to choose. Marriage equality. First Amendment protections for free speech and a free press. Equal protection of the laws. Checks and balances.

An Article V convention would allow delegates to write their own agenda into our Constitution.

Already 28 states have called for a constitutional convention. They only need six more to succeed in reaching the two-thirds requirement.

Unlimited money in politics and partisan gerrymandering have already given Republicans control of a majority of state legislatures. Big money interests like the Koch brothers and ALEC are investing heavily in the push for a constitutional convention—which means that they’d be calling the shots if one takes place.

You’re probably already overwhelmed with political actions you need to take. But, believe me, this is important. With just a few states to go, your voice is needed. Please tell your state lawmakers to reject calls for an Article V convention.
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