cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 12:33 pm
@coldjoint,
It's the righties telling the border control to separate children from their parents, and keep them in concentration camps, followed by sending those parents back to South America without getting any information about their children. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3kjma/wikipedia-us-detention-centers-concentration-camps-vgtrn
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 12:37 pm
It's only playing chicken when they know you will give in. Their last compromise, re DACA, was bait and switch and Democrats went for it.
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 12:39 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Those small minded people are the Leftists telling these people to risk their children's lives to break the laws of another country.

Advocating for humane treatment of migrants — legal or illegal — is not "telling these people" what to do. It's telling the Trump administration what to do.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 12:42 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Advocating for humane treatment of migrants

Is it humane to tell them they can break the law and not suffer the consequences? How dumb are you people?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 12:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It's the righties

Nothing in the stock market still up over 3,000 pts. since Trump took office?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 12:50 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Is it humane to tell them they can break the law and not suffer the consequences. How dumb are you people?
The law does now allow illegal treatment of anyone. Here's an article you should read. It might inform you about "immigration and human rights." https://www.amnestyusa.org/immigration-a-human-rights-issue-not-a-political-issue/ We all know who the "dummy" is. You really know how to embarrass yourself.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 12:52 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Is it humane to tell them they can break the law and not suffer the consequences.

No; it's just stupid — which is why no one's telling them anything like that.

The political dialog doesn't include the migrants; it's between the Trump administration and those opposed to its immigration policies.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 12:56 pm
@hightor,

Quote:
No; it's just stupid — which is why no one's telling them anything like that.

Do you mean they are telling them there are no consequences for breaking the law? That is not to bright either.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:00 pm
@coldjoint,
I just explained to you that the conversation is between the Trump administration and those opposed to its immigration policies. No one is "telling them" anything.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:04 pm
@hightor,
Here: This is pretty straight forward on immigration. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-7-things-trump-got-wrong-about-border-immigration-n940516 Texas authorities estimate that about 270,000 undocumented immigrants were charged with crimes during this period. That's about 16 percent of the undocumented population in Texas.

Overall, there's no evidence foreign nationals or immigrants commit more crimes than Americans, which Texas' data specifically notes.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:07 pm
from S.K by way of my pal R.G.


Yesterday at 10:20 AM

Quote:
Democrats, let me explain to you how this works, since you apparently haven't learned one goddamned thing from our last presidential campaign cycle.

Candidates will begin announcing their intent to run in 2020. I promise you, not one of these people is going to be your magical ******* unicorn. There will NOT emerge the superhero you long for - no Marvel comic character, no movie heroine, no one who can leap tall buildings in a single bound or spin the planet backward to turn back time.

You're going to have problems with EVERY POTENTIAL CANDIDATE. Get over that **** right now. That's YOUR baggage, not theirs. But if you continuously post your baggage online, you MAKE IT THEIR BAGGAGE. You drag them down and increase their chances of defeat.

Jesus, did you learn ANYTHING?!?!?

Pay attention. Gather closely, and don't miss a word, for this is very, very important:

What will happen in 2020 does not depend on whether Democrats offer charismatic, perfectly progressive but not too progressive, young but not too young, attractive but not too attractive candidates who speak with the eloquence of a moonlit ocean, the intellect of Aristotle, and who can make a room swoon when he rolls up his sleeves.

What will happen in 2020 depends entirely upon you. Upon your ability to learn from your mistakes.

With each candidacy announced, it is your civic responsibility to examine the person's record and positions - NOT whether you think he or she can "beat Trump."

Determine, to the best of your ability, if the person can perform the job - NOT whether you think he or she can "beat Trump."

Based on that criteria, get to the Democratic primary and vote for the person you would like to see in the job of president - NOT the person you feel is most likely to "beat Trump."

If you are not a registered Democrat, go do that if you live in a state that doesn't let you vote in a Dem primary if you're not a registered Democrat. Then you will have a say about which candidate is ultimately put forward. Don't wait til it's too late to register and then bitch that "primaries are rigged." They're not; you're just a lazy asshole who couldn't be bothered.

After the primaries, throw your unconditional support behind whomever becomes our front runner. Go to your Democratic office and ask how you can help get out the vote, then go do that.

And that's not all. There are still just under 2 years left to fight voter suppression and gerrymandering. This is crucial. Find out what's happening in your state, your county on these 2 issues. Get involved - write, call, march, whatever needs to be done to curb the GOP's power grab in your state.

Are you prepared to do all this? Do you understand why all of this is the path to victory in 2020 and beyond?

Or are you still stuck in some major motion picture plot where Trump is the Joker and we need a superhero to take him down? Know who thinks like that? MAGAts. No facts, no adherence to democratic principle - just emotion. "This guy makes me FEEL good!"

If you think I'm being harsh, well, **** off.
I watched you do this to Hillary. You tore her down online, fed the anti-Hillary beast until it grew so large it changed the course of history.

And you're still so obtuse that you don't realize YOU HAVE THE POWER TO CONTROL THE 2020 NARRATIVE. If you are constantly belittling our own candidates, the media will follow!! Don't you get that??

Example - articles this morning about Elizabeth Warren. Comments piling up - "Oh no. She can't win. She can't beat Trump. We need somebody better."

Based on public response, how do you suppose the media will immediately begin covering her run? We will soon see headlines that mirror the skepticism and negativity, neither of which, by the way, are based upon her Senate record. That garbage is all coming from YOU, from your FEELINGS. If you INSTEAD showered those posts with factual positivity, the media will instead reflect THAT.

*bangs head against desk*

Seriously, I'm pissed. We have a bigger problem than Trump if you people don't grow the **** up.

Try this: instead of commenting on a Warren article about your doubt and concern for her electability, go google details about her anti-corruption bill and talk about THAT instead.

Let your New Year's Resolution be that you refuse to be complicit in the smearing of our own candidates. That you will learn from the past and focus the conversation on policies and ideas instead of gossip and trash talk.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:14 pm
@ehBeth,
Disagree by about 100% about your article. Trump is the problem as well as the bigots and uneducated amongst us. Under Trump, the division in this country increased. The white supremacists came out of the woodworks to push their poison. The US stocks posted the worst year in a decade. Trump criticized our allies, and showed respect to Putin, the killer. According to Politifact, Trump lies most of the time. He's has cheated on all his wives; one while she was pregnant with his child. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/ on Donald Trump. He used the Trump Foundation money to pay his personal legal fees. He has a history of bigotry and scamming people for money. Yea, one of the most outstanding citizens to become president of this country.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:16 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
No one is "telling them" anything.

I do not think so, the Democratic party is telling the world to come to the US and we will let you in. It does not matter what you did or believe, the rule of law means nothing. That is the message that is out there.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Overall, there's no evidence foreign nationals or immigrants commit more crimes than Americans, which Texas' data specifically notes.

That shouldn't even be an issue. If anyone belongs to a category that statistically commits more crimes or does anything else statistically different from other categories, that should be no basis for discriminating against individuals; i.e. because individuals are individuals, not an appendage of a collective group.

The problem with migrants and borders and crime is not whether migrants are criminals but whether they are targeted by criminals for use as mules, prostitutes, etc.

When gangs control the town where your family lives, they can threaten your family in order to motivate you to do their bidding while you are away. So migrants are not themselves criminals, necessarily, but they are subject to control by criminals when their families are vulnerable for whatever reason.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Here: This is pretty straight forward on immigration

More straight forward than you on the market.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The piece is not about #45.

The piece is about how the Dems/Liberals/Progressives need to get their heads around picking a decent candidate and then all working to support the selected candidate.

The piece is about not tearing down their own party/candidates.

It was a really visible pattern on A2k as well as elsewhere in 2014-2016.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:32 pm
@edgarblythe,
Lets say a month goes by with new democrats in control of house not giving an inch, the president not giving an inch without funding for the wall. What then, the situation goes on forever because no one will give in?

If Democrats in the house can pass something which helps those subjects I mentioned and gives the President the amount he wants for the wall, they pass it to the senate, they pass it and send to the President, he signs it into law, how is he going to go back on it after that? If he does, well, that is just our shameful President. At least the democrats would have shown they are bigger than he is by trying to govern the country they were elected to do rather than trying to win a pi**ing contest. MHO But wait for the new democrats to get in congress to have more of a power position.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:32 pm
@livinglava,
Quote:
The problem with migrants and borders and crime is not whether migrants are criminals but whether they are targeted by criminals for use as mules, prostitutes, etc.
. A statement of irony. So, what would you have them do? Not escape the violence of their own country? Their attempts to escape violence and death in their own country is a natural aspect of trying to live. What would you have them do? If I were to be in their shoes, I'd probably attempt the same thing they are regardless of the unknown dangers of that trip. A perfect Catch 22.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:33 pm
Quote:
ISIS Terror Threats 2019: ‘We’re Coming to America’

There is a good reason to let everyone in, right?
https://clarionproject.org/isis-terror-threats-2019/
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Lash
 
  0  
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2019 01:35 pm
An honest analysis of candidates should lead to the best candidate being revealed to the voter. As long as corruption, collusion, and mass hysteria don’t reign in 20 as it did in 16, the progressive candidate should easily be elected.

I suggest that stupid things like age, sex appeal, and height aren’t considered as presidential traits.
 

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