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What will be the legacy of America?

 
 
Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2018 11:12 am
What will be the legacy of America?

5000 years from now an historical encyclopedia will have a short paragraph describing the United States of America. What will it say?
 
Kolyo
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2018 11:15 am
Probably that we were first to the moon.

That's the sort of thing historians care about.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2018 09:34 pm
First use of nuclear weapons, which were used to attack military targets.

Last free country in the world, due to our Second Amendment.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2018 10:37 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

First use of nuclear weapons, which were used to attack military targets.


Definitely, advances in technology (including military) for which we were responsible. But if you believe we will be the last free country, you'll probably allow that our most striking technological advances are yet to come.
laughoutlood
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2018 11:58 pm
visceral
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2018 01:07 am
@laughoutlood,
the emperor's new clothes were given to immigrants at the border....
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2018 01:08 am
@Kolyo,
Kolyo wrote:
But if you believe we will be the last free country, you'll probably allow that our most striking technological advances are yet to come.
We're already the last free country on the planet. Unless you know of some other country where citizens still retain the right to have arms for self defense?
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 06:38 am
@coluber2001,
We created the internet where Heaven and Hell literally reside in the same virtual place.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 06:48 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Kolyo wrote:
But if you believe we will be the last free country, you'll probably allow that our most striking technological advances are yet to come.
We're already the last free country on the planet. Unless you know of some other country where citizens still retain the right to have arms for self defense?

You're not particularly bright. Gun ownership is legal in dozens and dozens of countries.

A simple frakking Google search destroys your sadsack bit of trivial ignorance. Someone who is a self-proclaimed passionate gun rights expert should f***ing know these bits of trivia already.

Do other countries have a constitutional right to bear arms?
Haiti, Mexico, Switzerland....

Quote:
For now, however, the famously neutral government [of Switzerland] not only permits gun ownership, but also issues an automatic rifle to every male when he becomes eligible for military service at age 20.


10 Best Countries for Gun Owners
Finland, Norway, Panama....

Overview of gun laws by nation
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2018 08:08 am
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:
You're not particularly bright.
That is incorrect. I am brighter than a supernova.

tsarstepan wrote:
Gun ownership is legal in dozens and dozens of countries.
There is a huge difference between a country where people have the right to have guns, and a country where the government lets selected people have guns if it feels like it.

tsarstepan wrote:
A simple frakking Google search destroys your sadsack bit of trivial ignorance. Someone who is a self-proclaimed passionate gun rights expert should f***ing know these bits of trivia already.
Bold talk, but let's see which one of us is actually correct.

tsarstepan wrote:
Haiti, Mexico, Switzerland....
All three only allow people to have a gun if they can convince their government that they have a good reason for having that gun.

Additionally, Mexico denies people the possession of anything powerful enough to be useful for self defense, and does not allow people to carry guns in public.

tsarstepan wrote:
Finland, Norway, Panama....
All three only allow people to have a gun if they can convince their government that they have a good reason for having that gun.

When people exercise their right to free speech, they aren't required to convince the government that they have a good reason for speaking before they are allowed to speak.

When people exercise their right to vote, they are not required to convince the government that they have a good reason for voting before they are allowed to vote.

These examples that you have provided of countries where people are allowed to have a gun only if they convince their government that they have a good reason for having that gun are in no way examples of places where people have the right to have guns.
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TooFriendly112
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 05:12 am
@coluber2001,
About it's history, the moon landing and nasa, technology and the white house!
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2018 09:29 am
A cautionary tale about how utterly mankind can destroy the world and extinguish humanity when greed wins.

Or, a wonderful redemptive triumph of how citizens who were sick as hell of corruption bought a bunch of guillotines from France and took the trash out, installed decent humans to term-limited roles and saved themselves and the world.

#Bernie2020
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2018 06:23 am
Teodrose (GhionJournal) seems to be a tad more negative about contemporary America than I am:

The Illusion of Ocasio-Cortez: New Faces Won’t Mend a Cancerous Political System
I‘ll admit, for a minute I fell for it again. Watching a young, telegenic woman take on and defeat an entrenched politician produced a temporary moment of euphoria mixed with schadenfreude. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s unbelievable knockout of Democratic party boss Joe Crowley almost made me believe that these two equally bankrupt political parties can be fixed from within. The feeling proved to be short-lived; no person is more powerful than the institution they are desperate to join.

I am no longer the naive loyalist who believed that a little known Senator from Illinois would deliver the change we have been waiting for. As much as I want to root for Alexandria, I know that in the end she too will be co-opted by the DNC and party leaders. The problem in DC are not the candidates but the system as a whole. A government hijacked by two mafia parties will not allow true change agents to survive let alone prosper. In this paradigm, even the most well-intentioned of people will end up conforming to the norm and have zero chance of transforming our broken state of politics.

Yet, year after year, election after election, we keep falling for the latest fresh faces who promise to go to DC and drain the swamp of corruption and nepotism. The results always end up the same way, hope being paid back with hopelessness as the politicians we put our faith in sell their souls in order to retain power and celebrity. This is how the establishment remains fixed no matter who gets elected; the people in charge are not the politicians we elect but the donors who fund their campaigns and the insiders who determine rank and privileges within the party infrastructure.

Elected officials who are team players get rewarded with stature and are prominently splashed across mainstream media outlets. Those who ruffle feathers and refuse to play by the rules don’t last long. The sheer amount of money and resources it takes to run for national positions demands that politicians don’t stray too far from their lanes or risk being primaried by their own party or have a media driven firestorm chase them out of office. In a landscape where winners and losers are determined by the largess of moneyed interests and by the access they are given to mainstream media, the will of voters is always subverted by the demands of the neo-aristocracy.


Alexandria knows this full well, this is the reason she course corrected and started to tone down her rhetoric the minute she won the New York Democrat primary last Tuesday. In less than a week, she latched on to the bullshit Russia narrative, started echoing the half-baked “vote blue no matter who” mantra, and endorsed the very establishment she is seeking to topple by embracing Hillary Clinton. People who join the very institutions they are supposedly fighting against and cast their lot with the status quo are not revolutionaries, they are given platforms in order to lure disenchanted voters back to the very parties that are mauling them. Keep paying attention to Alexandria’s rhetoric, you will notice subtle drifts away from her original positions. In politics, they call this pivoting to the middle, otherwise known as selling her principles in order to jockey for position.



As long as Democrats and Republicans have a choke-hold on power in Washington, DC and on ballot boxes throughout America, the chance for change to occur in our lifetime is zip to zilch at best. We have to stop treating politics like a reality show; just because they throw out new characters and new plot lines does not mean we are witnessing progress on policy fronts. Tokenism must come to an end, the political fortunes of the “first black president” or the “first Latina woman” is meaningless unless they address the root issues that are leading to vast economic inequalities on the home front and upheaval throughout the world.



Alexandria’s accomplishment last week was not a victory for progress, it was a triumph for the status quo. A two faction scam that is rejected by a vast majority of Americans—when independents are combined with people who have been driven out of voting participation—is now being given a veneer of legitimacy by the latest media darling. Instead of finding ways to dismantle these two criminal enterprises who collude to commandeer our government, we will be navel gazing at yet another cult of personality. When will we learn, pouring gallons of milk into vats tainted with bacteria will only intensify the pathogens. Republicans were duped by the Tea Party in 2010 only for the party to appropriate the movement. The Blue Wave of 2018 is the left version of the Tea Party, the same playbook is being used on both sides. When are we going to wake up to this hoodwink—#DemEnterIsDemEnted. Click To Tweet

If you take away nothing else from this article, I hope it’s this one overriding message. Do not be lured by the bait of actors and narratives. Unless you think that one person is powerful enough to sweep away decades, if not centuries, of rooted corruption built on the backs of these two malicious political parties, it is imperative that we focus on the systemic graft that allows them to fester. If your lawn is infested with weed, are you doing anything to solve the problem by planting a rose in the midst of the outbreak? Likewise what good is an injection of fresh blood in a party infected by corporate Ebola? The only way to address the incorporated sham that is passed off as a representative democracy is by opening up our elections and letting ideas compete instead of allowing the duopoly to reign supreme using gimmicks and slogans to hide their malevolence.

On this Independence Day, instead of accepting the way things are and being sold a bill of goods by the duopoly, let us commit to being imaginative and finding a way out of the wilderness. Stop letting the media-politico complex bamboozle us with fresh faces only to lead us to the stale institutions which keep kneecapping all of us. No more voting for the lesser of two evils and no more listening to people who try to convince you that supporting ideas outside of the Democrat/Republican divide is wasted energy. Don’t fall for the merry-go-round of personalities who keep being unleashed to sheepdog voters back to this two-party racket.

PS. More than 90% of mainstream media is owned by six corporations (read six people), they don’t allow true change agents to have access to the airwaves. Be cautious and twice skeptical when unknown candidates are given millions in free advertisement by the same interests they’re supposedly fighting.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jul, 2018 10:52 pm
@coluber2001,
Well, for one thing, we are the first constitutional democracy in the modern world. We have no aristocracy-that was a first. And we were the first to establish rights for the common man from the beginning.

Also, we were the only country to have Elvis.
vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2018 03:26 am
Considering China will probably come to rule the world within the next 100 years or so, I suspect the legacy of the US will come from a Chinese perspective - probably something along the lines of financial imperialists with frustrated colonialist agendas (it always pays to demonise your enemies).

Of course, maybe Islam will come to rule the world within the next 200 years. I suspect then, the US will come be seen as the great Satan.

Or maybe it will be the Corporations, and America will come to be seen as the seat of the great (if slow) ideas revolution.

Or maybe AI takes over the world...

Or maybe the world becomes a Nuclear wasteland...

People worry too much about legacy.

And legacy depends on who writes it, does it not.

My personal perspective is that better questions involve who we are now, and the direction we head.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2018 05:32 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

We have no aristocracy-that was a first.


Oh yes you do, you may not give them titles but they're there alright. And you're considerably more deferential towards them than we are.

https://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+find+this+toilet+rather+shallow+and+pedantic+_a511c7cf78771b771ccb32a873b1456d.png
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2018 05:59 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Blickers wrote:

We have no aristocracy-that was a first.


Oh yes you do, you may not give them titles but they're there alright. And you're considerably more deferential towards them than we are.

https://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/I+find+this+toilet+rather+shallow+and+pedantic+_a511c7cf78771b771ccb32a873b1456d.png


Correct.
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