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Capital Punishment and the Bible(particularly New Testament)

 
 
headofthefield
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 11:28 am
First of all the Bible is a very accurate history book. There are plenty proffesors that teach lessons from the bible b/c of its facts. Then I want to ask what book do you get "your' history from? Why don't you trust any history book?
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 11:30 am
Magginkat wrote:
That the Bible is a "very accurate" history book, is a matter of opinion.


I'm sorry, but facts and opinions are not the same thing. If something happens a certain way, then to describe it accurately would be to create a fact....the bible does this....thus the bible is accurate.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 11:50 am
Montana said "But then there's also the issue regarding innocent people being executed".

I can put forward many reasons why the death penalty is wrong, not least the one above.

But only one reason for it...vengeance. Blood lust, call it what you will.


And as some one mentioned the bible here, wasn't there something in there about "vengeance is mine saith the Lord"
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 11:52 am
thunder_runner32 wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
That the Bible is a "very accurate" history book, is a matter of opinion.


I'm sorry, but facts and opinions are not the same thing. If something happens a certain way, then to describe it accurately would be to create a fact....the bible does this....thus the bible is accurate.



"Create a fact"? Exactly my point........... so many different stories by so many different writers "creating" their version.............thus the Bible is NOT accurate.

Quote Headofthefield - -First of all the Bible is a very accurate history book. There are plenty proffesors that teach lessons from the bible b/c of its facts. Then I want to ask what book do you get "your' history from? Why don't you trust any history book?


I see that the professors don't teach spelling lessons from the Bible and probably for good reason. The spelling is only as accurate as the translator. Same for the history lessons. "b/c of its facts"? should I guess? Before Christ??

Just because you say it's accurate doesn't make it so.

There you go again...twisting my words. I did not say that I don't trust any history book. I said, very simply, that the books used the last few yrs of my kids high school were seriously lacking in material. I had 6th grade history books from my era that contained better material.

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headofthefield
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 12:00 pm
Ok if you can't put faith into these history books, what do you put your faith in. The bible isn't intended to be a spelling book(of course), but Webster's is. How can you believe the words you say or spell are write. Just b/c Webster's says so. That is the idea behind history. It has been passed down through generation.
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headofthefield
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 12:01 pm
Ok if you can't put faith into these history books, what do you put your faith in. The bible isn't intended to be a spelling book(of course), but Webster's is. How can you believe the words you say or spell are write. Just b/c Webster's says so. That is the idea behind history. It has been passed down through generation.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 12:13 pm
head, Have you ever heard of "fiction?"
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 12:33 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
head, Have you ever heard of "fiction?"



Guess not Cicerone. Now I am to put my "faith" in history books?

I must admit that I have not heard that one before.

Head, you are the one needing spelling lessons, not Websters! Don't get overly excited because I am not buying your bag of baloney. I'm sure that it's not the first time this has happened.

Cicerone, I wonder if writers like Stephen King got some of his ideas from the Bible, specifically Revelations??

Just for fun:

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
- Galileo Galilei -



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headofthefield
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 12:55 pm
I never said put your faith in history books. I just said that you should put your faith in something instead of nothing. By the way it is just a short way of writting. Imposter- we have met before and I think it is clear we don't agree on much. I am just sure this isn't the first malarky you have posted either.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 12:59 pm
I put my faith in logic and science. That's not exactly 'nothing.'
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thunder runner32
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 01:10 pm
Isn't it funny that logic and science and the bible all point to an intelligent designer?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 01:10 pm
Absolutely right ci

its the only way forward. We get there slowly, improving as we know more. Hypothesis, experiment, theory.

Theory falls, new paradigm. New hypothesis, new theory.

Alternatively we are all decended from giants who live in the firmament moving the stars around and the sun plunges into water ever night but doesnt go out because the Lighter Man god sets fire to it just before it rises. And its true because its written in a book. Which was written by god.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 01:20 pm
Creatonism is crap
Intelligent design is crap wrapped in tinsle paper


The scientific method will not be defeated by pseudoscience. Do not leave your trusted posts to be filled by less-capable educators. All reputable science knows that "intelligent" design is nonsense, yet those of the public that do not know are crying out for your wisdom!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 01:29 pm
What disturbs me most is that some school districts in the US are including ID into their school curriculum.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 03:45 pm
thunder_runner32 wrote:
Isn't it funny that logic and science and the bible all point to an intelligent designer?


No.


I question the intelligence of the writers of the bible.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 04:38 pm
It's also interesting that to prove the bible, only the bible is there to defend it's own words.
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headofthefield
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 08:22 pm
Imposter, there is logic and science in creationism. One thing though with your teaching it statement, they tought just creationism at first now they teach both evolution and the intellegent design. They refer to both as theories. So with that I don't understand why the topic has changed suddenly to evolution and creation instead of the original question.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 08:26 pm
Science & logic in creationism? Care to explain that since evolution and creationism are totally opposite of each other? I would be especially interested in the idea that there is science in creationism.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 08:26 pm
ID is creationinsm. Period.
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headofthefield
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 08:42 pm
Magginkat, give me time and I will get it to you.
Imposter, I know they are the same thing, I just like to use different words to say the same thing b/c I get tired of saying the same word.
NOW CAN WE USE SOMETHING THAT GET'S BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC.
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