Capital Punishment and the Bible(particularly New Testament)

Bili,

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non-Christians trying to interpret Christian ... how do they say it .... "holy Scriptures".

funny.

I agree after watching your tortured rants to reinvent the scripture.

It is the height of arrogance to claim you are the one that knows the mind of God vs anyone else here. And I think we all know what the scriptures say about "pride"

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It's all about Jesus, teh OT and teh NT.

That's what the word "Christianity" means: Christ-ianity: Christ-follower.

I guess you missed my question about following Christ vs the OLD TESTAMENT. Christian means you would follow CHRIST. As I have asked repeatedly.. when did Christ come out for the death penalty. You can't use the old testament where it contradicts Christ if you are truly a Christian.

I say that a "true Christian" can't support the death penalty. What do you say? If you disagree with me support it with the words of Christ.

Biliskner wrote:

non-Christians trying to interpret Christian ... how do they say it .... "holy Scriptures".

funny.

Why?

What has belief or non-belief to do with interpretation of words on a page?

I guess you missed my question about following Christ vs the OLD TESTAMENT.

I say that a "true Christian" can't support the death penalty. What do you say? If you disagree with me support it with the words of Christ.

I would pose this question. How do you have dialogue in a christian based debate when the people you debate with don't believe a word the bible says? There can't be a true spirital debate without the understanding of the bible and it's word.
Bil, I guess I put what you said about the Christians and non-Christians into a different statement. I agree though.

The bible is completely open to interpretation.

It is words. Words have different meaning to different people.

You have no more power to be correct than I or anyone else does. The power comes not from "god being on your side" but from being able to demonstrate that something may be correct or not. If you can't demonstrate it is literally true then why is your literal interpretation better than my figurative one?

The greatest contributions to understanding of Christianity have been attempts to ascertain meaning through logic and reason.

Go read Aquinus.

Contradictions in the Bible

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Holy Spirit, please open my eyes - or better yet, show me how to interpret the English language in the bible. Maybe, about five shots of whiskey might do the trick.

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the Scriptures in the OT AND NT are interpretable only by the Holy Spirit. You can only understand it if your eyes have been opened by the Holy Spirit meaning you actually pray for Jesus' help before you read it and after."
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Excuse me while I leave the room so I can ROTFTLMAO.

question for you: how can you even attempt to understand the old or new testament if you're not a Christian? and why would you? this Book means nothing to you.

parados wrote:

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I say that a "true Christian" can't support the death penalty. What do you say? If you disagree with me support it with the words of Christ.

LOL. and where does your authority come from? why would i believe your definition of "true Christian" over millions that have come before you? lol...

the people in this forum are complaining about my rants being illogical and not understanable (which for the record means they're either really young of just hard headed 'cos i've never had that in other forums). give me specific questions and you'll get your answers.

parados wrote:

Bili,
Its so nice that you have taken the place of God and can decide if I am Christian or not.

sorry. my bad. i came into this forum assuming Christians, then found out it wasn't (due to all my Bible posts then them saying my "tourtured rants") so now i assume mostly non-Christians etc.
like i said, my bad.

parados wrote:

My definition of a follower of Christ is one that would put Christ's teachings as the most important in the scriptures. When Christ contradicts or gives a different viewpoint about something do you follow Christ or the old testament? Thus my statement "Christ vs OT". Are you seriously going to tell us that Christ didn't overturn any of the OT?

Biliskner wrote:

You're right in saying that no one "took it back" and Jesus didn't, per se - but on the Sermon on the Mount he did put a *spin* on revenge/punishment and other such things:

"You have heard that it was said, `Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' [Exodus 21:24; Lev. 24:20 and Deut. 19:21] But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
"You have heard that it was said, `Love your neighbour [Lev.19:18] and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?" -- Matthew 5:38-47

Now there's enough food for 10 Bible studies and a half...

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Last edited by Biliskner on Wed Mar 09, 2005 19:52; edited 1 time in total

VS sounds wrong (yes wrong in the fullest sense - no offence).
It's more like Christ fulfills the OT and therefore, if you like, "overthrew" the law (aka: OT) - as per Paul's expository teaching in Romans.

i have. Go read Luther, Simeon, Descarte, Tyndale, Stott, Packer, and last but not least, God.

You need a linguist friend. Words *might* have different meanings to different people, but context doesn't. The context gives you the whole picture.

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What I was trying to say is I see no teaching by Christ that allows for capital punishment.

agreed.

41 "And we indeed justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."
42 And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!"
43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

Dont be silly.

I find justification for the death penalty not by what Jesus said or did, but by what he didn't do. When he was on the cross, and the man to his side, being punished for something he really did, repented of his sins, he didn't ask the guards to take him down or even somehow float him down himself, he said what you see above. Therefore, I believe God isn't against the death penalty when administered justly.