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Jeff Gannon, Jim Guckert, and... Prostitution?

 
 
Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 11:09 am
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Where is it stated ANYWHERE that formal education is a prerequisite to be a journalist, as it is for law, medicine, and other professions?


Maybe it has something to do with intelligence, objectivity, and integrity in reporting as a journalist.

Although, to be fair, I doubt it is stated anywhere that a Talon News journalist requires any formal education as a prerequisite to be a male prostitute either...
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 11:10 am
Although, one should have the knowledge in differentiating between "top" and "bottom," I would think...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 11:33 am
Anyone trying to make G/G out as a journalist is completely off-base.

Gannon never wrote a single article before he was admitted to the WH in Nov. 2002. He was admitted as a member of GOPUSA, which is not a news organization but a Texas Republican political website. Why don't you go find some of his past stories? That's right, they've been pulled offline on the same day this story broke, as did his personal website. Why? Why do this for/to a real reporter? In fact, Talon News itself has dropped off of the net. Again, why? The domain registration of Talon News and GOPUSA was changed the evening this story hit to an LLC in houston; what are they trying to hide?

Here's a link to research showing the GOPUSA plagarized a bunch of other news articles in order to provide filler for their site:

http://whyareweback.blogspot.com/2003/09/talon-news-gopusa-story-file.html

Here's WorldNetDaily (notorious right-wingers) condemning him and talking about how it took two YEARS for them to get a pass:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42974

Here he is talking like a damn fool on the today show(managing to say nothing the whole time):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7022981/

The SFChron sums it up pretty well:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/24/EDGJJBFG2M1.DTL

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Whether Gannon, whose real name is James D. Guckert, was a White House "plant'' may never be known because officials in the Bush administration have taken great pains to distance themselves from the controversy. But passive denials only increase the lack of credibility to explanations of how the White House credentialed Guckert, even though he was representing a pseudo-news operation, using an alias and was linked to X-rated Web sites....

It's hard to say which is worse: That the White House had no idea who it was allowing to be within shouting distance of the president -- or that it knew exactly who Jeff Gannon was and why he was there.


Unanswered questions:

-who was paying his salary? How much was he paid to be a shill?

-How is GOPUSA connected to Karl Rove?

-Who in the WH let Gannon in for so long? Was it a SS failure? Or someone else giving the O.K.?

-How was he allowed into a Presidential press conference? You don't just waltz into one of those with a day pass, that's for damn sure.

-What was his connection to the Thune campaign? There's a lot of backstory here for those who are interested:

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2005/02/credible-evidence-emerges-that-jeff.html

-How was Gannon given access to classified CIA memos? He specifically mentions having recieved/seen the memo several times; it's too late for him to lie and say he didn't now.

-Will we get access to the diary he has claimed to have kept this whole time? It could be veerrrrrrrrryyyyy revealing....

Let's give the 'he was a REAL reporter' angle a rest, ya wingnuts; it's been so thouroughly proven wrong as to be ridiculous now.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:11 pm
cyclo

Big Luntz memo... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/23/13929/4531
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:15 pm
Read it. Absolutely, stunningly, shockingly funny/ridiculous/sad, all at the same time.

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Finally, Luntz advises, 9/11 is the perfect way to dodge responsibility for sinking the country in red ink. In a section headed "Without the context of 9-11, you will be blamed for the deficit," he points out "supporters are inherently turned off to the idea of fiscal irresponsibility." The best way to counter that fact? "The trick then is to contextualize the deficit inside of 9/11."


<gak>

It's amazing to me that people don't get extremely pissed about this shite....

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:19 pm
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In his memo on how to manipulate American perception on the economy, right-wing spinmeister Frank Luntz advises conservatives to "resist the temptation' to use facts and figures about the economy. (You know, all those pesky statistics about lower wages, unemployment, skyrocketing deficits, etc.) Instead, he advises, you can't go wrong if you continuosly remind people about the terrorist attacks of 9/11. "This is the context that explains and justifies why we have $500 billion deficits, why the stock market tanked, why unemployment climbed to 6%."

Oh, yes, he advises preying on the emotions tied to the terrorist attacks to distract Americans from the truth about the economy, writing, "Much of the public anger can be immediately pacified if they are reminded that we would not be in this situation today if 9/11 had not happened." It's also an easy way to get President Bush off the hook: Luntz points out that convincing people that the struggling economy is a consequence of 9/11 (as opposed to, say, Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy) will convince people "it is unfair to blame the current political leadership"

Finally, Luntz advises, 9/11 is the perfect way to dodge responsibility for sinking the country in red ink. In a section headed "Without the context of 9-11, you will be blamed for the deficit," he points out "supporters are inherently turned off to the idea of fiscal irresponsibility." The best way to counter that fact? "The trick then is to contextualize the deficit inside of 9/11."


Truly unbelievable!
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:20 pm
3,000 + people who died on 9/11 are currently turning in their graves.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:22 pm
Rule of thumb... when you evidence a significant portion of the American public (or any national public) deciding that torture is really ok after all, then you can conclude you are dealing with a lot of true believers and an effective propaganda machine fueling them.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:41 pm
You guys should read Luntz's information before passing judgement based on biased sources (blogs) like Kos and Think Progress...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:50 pm
Sure, because this section title

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"Without the context of 9-11, you will be blamed for the deficit,"


Can be misleading if you don't read it straight from the piece itself; which, by the way, was linked on both of those sites.

Next lame defense?

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:53 pm
Of course it was linked, but have you read it?

Do you deny that 9-11 has had a negative impact on the economy and the deficit?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 12:58 pm
Do you deny that this article clearly shows how the Republicans are instructed to bring it up at every opportunity in order to deflect criticism?

I mean, it clearly states JUST THAT. Do you deny it?

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 01:05 pm
The plain and simple fact is that Americn businesses, jobs, and consumers were all hurt by September 11, and some businesses are still suffering more than three years later.
But, we are fighting back. People are returning to work. We are returning to our daily lives. And, in celebration of the American dream, we are not just striving to recover that which was lost, but to rebuild our nation and ourselves better than it ever was.*
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 01:11 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Do you deny that this article clearly shows how the Republicans are instructed to bring it up at every opportunity in order to deflect criticism?

I mean, it clearly states JUST THAT. Do you deny it?

Cycloptichorn


It's a 180 page document that discusses the impact of 9-11 on 2 pages of it. It DOES NOT CLEARLY show how the Republicans are instructed to bring it up at every opportunity in order to deflect criticism. That's crap and if you read the entire thing, you would see that.

*edited because 9-11 is only discussed on two pages...*
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 01:17 pm
We've all read PLENTY of Luntz' information to know where this moron is coming from. Using 9/11 to distract the American people from Bush's massive failings is disgusting mearly on the surface. Using 9/11 to further fool the American people is, IMO, a clear example of Bush continuously wagging the dog.

But I would imagine that torture is o.k. to you, McGentrix.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 01:21 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
We've all read PLENTY of Luntz' information to know where this moron is coming from. Using 9/11 to distract the American people from Bush's massive failings is disgusting mearly on the surface. Using 9/11 to further fool the American people is, IMO, a clear example of Bush continuously wagging the dog.

But I would imagine that torture is o.k. to you, McGentrix.



Sssshhh... The adults are talking now...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 01:23 pm
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The adults are talking now...

that would be a welcome change but I don't see much possibility of it happening.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 01:27 pm
dyslexia wrote:
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The adults are talking now...

that would be a welcome change but I don't see much possibility of it happening.


I can understand that Dys. I have yet to see you add much to any of the conversations in the politics forum.

I doubt you would actually welcome the change because then you would actually have to say something substantial instead of these passing quips.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 01:28 pm
Speaking of adults:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/images/avatars/594558887420bd6b309f40.jpg
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Feb, 2005 01:34 pm
You're full of it, McG.

The impact of 9/11 isn't the entirety of our economic problems; but they are instructed to bring it up EVERY TIME< without fail, as if it is. Convienently, it shifts the blame off of the politicians for our other problems.

There's a lot more of the same sh*t in there that has nothing to do with 9/11, yet is equally crappy. But, I'm sure you've known that for a while, seeing as you've read all 180 pages of it, right?

Cycloptichorn
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