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Rice - getting away from "Punish France, ignore Germany..."?

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 11:05 am
Well said, JW!!
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 11:15 am
'Course it did come from that right-wing rag, JW.
Got any real (AKA German) sources (in triplicate) to back up those heinous slurs?
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 11:32 am
Thankfully Mr Bush's speech was different from that, very different.

His tone is extremely friendly and placatory, just as if he realises at long last he and his people have messed up really badly.

His people will readily recognise too, that it is attitudes like the one of that review writer which caused most of the trouble in the first place.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 12:38 pm
McTag wrote:
... just as if he realises at long last he and his people have messed up really badly.


I'll take "When Hell Freezes Over" for $800, Alex...
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 01:08 pm
He most likely bitch-slapped Chirac, and made him cry...

<I...can't....stop...meeself>
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 01:21 pm
is it treason? Bush, Rummy and even the Bush are trying their best to make amends and now we hear from the even further right that europe is even worse assh*oles than "we" had thought. In the rhetoric we now hear is in direct condradiciton to your beloved. Love it or Leave it? Should Bush be impeached? (well yeah but that's not the reason)
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 01:30 pm
Dys--

What has happened to your sense of humor?

Actually, if I placed any confidence at all in the veracity of Europe--I'd be glad... But, you know what's going on re China, Chirac ... I'd think someone who valued human rights and was pissed at China--wouldn't be too thrilled at Chirac's disgusting business deals with them...

Chirac will be getting paid for supplying China with the weaponry to annhililate Taiwan, if they choose to separate.

I mean--where do you stand on that?
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 01:37 pm
So what would you find so wrong in arming a regime that is not paying attention to human rights?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 01:41 pm
lash, I lost my sense of humor when coming home from south-east indochina with an attitude about war I was repeately told to "love it or leave it" that was 41 years ago and I'm still here.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 04:09 pm
Lash wrote:
He most likely bitch-slapped Chirac, and made him cry...

<I...can't....stop...meeself>


Quote:

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"I'm looking for a good cowboy,'' Bush said Monday when a French reporter asked him whether relations had improved to the point where the U.S. president would be inviting Chirac to the U.S. president's ranch in Texas.

Chirac had equally kind words to say about Bush, saying he and the American president ``always had very warm relations.''


[...]
"This is the first dinner since I've been re-elected on European soil, and it's with Jacques Chirac. And that ought to say something. It ought to say how important this relationship is for me, personally, and how important this relationship is for my country,'' Bush said.
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But all was sweetness and light on Monday on Bush's five-day fence-mending tour of Europe.

The two leaders emphasized how they were working together - on peacekeeping efforts in Afghanistan, the Balkans, on Asian tsunami relief, Africa aid programs and in putting pressure on Syria to withdraw troops from Lebanon.

The two leaders even issued a joint statement calling for passage of a U.N. resolution insisting that Syria withdraw its troops from Lebanon and calling for a full investigation into the assassination of Lebanon's former prime minister - which some reports have linked to Syria.
Source
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 06:18 pm
McTag wrote:
His tone is extremely friendly and placatory, just as if he realises at long last he and his people have messed up really badly.


Trying to picture Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Rice sitting around sharing those thoughts ... probably in French, too.

And then they had tea with Elvis.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 06:24 pm
old europe wrote:
exactly, nimh.

Actually, German Socialdemocrat Chancellor Schröder has personally and publicly said he wants to lift it, and the Green coalition partner has argued him down:

[translation from German]:

Greens criticise: Chancellor "buys" China's sympathy

The Greens emphasized their criticism of Federal Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's commitment to lifting the European Union's weapons embargo against China. The Green delegate Winfried Hermann accused the chancellor of trying to "buy" China's goodwill concerning a German seat in the UN Security Council as well as orders worth billion for German companies.

Thanks for the translation, Old Europe! And for the reassurance - I thought it would be something like this, but knew only vaguely, I'm glad my party's German "sister party" is on the right side of the argument once again! Razz

Lash wrote:
Your thoughts, nimh?

I am against lifting the embargo, like I said on the other thread, and therefore indeed glad with Joschka Fischer's stance (he's my political hero you see)

Now lets hope theyll keep their back straight - the Greens are just a small party compared to Schroeders Socialdemocrats ... But as the most popular politician of the country, Joschka does have great clout, and the Greens can be a stubborn lot!
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 06:32 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Lash wrote:
He most likely bitch-slapped Chirac, and made him cry...

<I...can't....stop...meeself>


the article Walter linked in wrote:
Only months after he criticized countries "like France,'' President Bush was lavish in his praise of French President Jacques Chirac, one of the sharpest critics of the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

"I'm looking for a good cowboy,'' Bush said Monday when a French reporter asked him whether relations had improved to the point where the U.S. president would be inviting Chirac to the U.S. president's ranch in Texas. [...]

"This is the first dinner since I've been re-elected on European soil, and it's with Jacques Chirac. And that ought to say something. It ought to say how important this relationship is for me, personally, and how important this relationship is for my country,'' Bush said.

LOL Walter, great quotes - this stuff must hurt for the France-bashers - I think the cognitive dissonance is showing! :wink:

<quiet>

ok, that was a good distraction for a sec ...

<sad again>
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:34 pm
Yeah. You guys buy that...

<too funny>

Yeah. Bush loves Chirac. Chirac's quite a cowboy...

I've got this cute little piece of land...
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:38 pm
Germany Seeks US Apology for Abduction

German Interior Minister Otto Schily has reportedly sought an apology from CIA chief Porter Goss over the alleged kidnapping of a German national by US agents, Newsweek reported, citing German sources. Khaled el-Masri, who is of Lebanese descent but has a German passport, claims to have been abducted by US operatives while on holiday in Macedonia on Dec. 31, 2003. Three weeks later, Masri said, he was put on an airplane to Afghanistan, where he was shackled, punched and interrogated about extremists at his mosque in Ulm, Germany. He further stated that he was released months later and dropped off on a deserted road leading into Macedonia. The case is being investigated by a Munich prosecutor as a kidnapping case, the weekly said. The CIA allegedly whisked foreign terror suspects to clandestine interrogation facilities, using a Boeing 737 plane specially dedicated for that purpose, Newsweek reported Sunday. The allegation, if proven true, is "further evidence that a global 'ghost' prison system, where terror suspects are secretly interrogated, is being operated by the CIA," the weekly wrote.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:40 pm
Put your boots on girls, weeze goin' to war with the Germies agin!
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:41 pm
http://www.vicalecorporation.com/images/HB0019_20_sm.jpg

"I vetoed you again you stupid American cowboys"
"I'm the ruler of Old Europe"
"Go ahead, boycott France, I don't care"
"I'm a little puppet"

http://www.vicalecorporation.com/detail.aspx?ID=20

Very Happy
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:44 pm
Given the number of countries that are giving the U.S. the eyeball in regard to citizen abductions, the German case seems minor league.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:47 pm
LOL!!!! JW!!!!
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:49 pm
Quote:
The CIA allegedly whisked foreign terror suspects to clandestine interrogation facilities, using a Boeing 737 plane specially dedicated for that purpose,


Is this the 737?

http://www.science-explorer.de/bilder/ufo-05.jpg
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