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Rice - getting away from "Punish France, ignore Germany..."?

 
 
old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:56 pm
Aboard Air CIA

The agency ran a secret charter service, shuttling detainees to interrogation facilities worldwide. Was it legal? What's next?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 08:06 pm
There's been a fair bit of discussion of these cases here.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 08:13 pm
OUTSOURCING TORTURE

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and back to Germany/France/U.S. - I'd recommend to anyone interested that they spend some time looking at non-U.S, non-EU media sources for more perspectives on what is happening/appears to be happening.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 08:42 pm
Got some good ones, Beth?

I use the Economist and Foreign Affairs.....but often don't get a lot of time to read 'em.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 08:50 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Given the number of countries that are giving the U.S. the eyeball in regard to citizen abductions, the German case seems minor league.


Very Happy

I agree! Nevertheless, I like how people react......

So back to Germany/France/U.S. .... what are you reading, Beth?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 08:57 pm
old europe wrote:
Aboard Air CIA

The agency ran a secret charter service, shuttling detainees to interrogation facilities worldwide. Was it legal? What's next?



Interesting question.

The US de-illegalised a number of practices it once considered torture, as we all know - but I think I can recall hearing some talk of reversing that?

Anyway - the secrecy with which the apparent torture outsourcing has been done suggests that the US (and GB, I am not sure if they have been implicated in this, too?) considers it to be either illegal, or just very bad publicity.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 08:59 pm
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Google News is offered in several versions, each tailored to a different national audience:

* Australia
* Canada
* France
* Germany
* India
* Italy
* New Zealand
* Spain
* United Kingdom
* United States



I find that by popping into a couple of the different Google news groups every few days, I get a nice spread of sources. Doesn't get me stuck in one set of media.

Also, I listen to CBC overnight (I posted about this somewhere - here, maybe?) - which provides 5 hours of news from different international sources. I get leads there as well. Sometimes takes me to 'odd' news sources, but better than same old/same old.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 09:02 pm
And - BBC world service is damned interesting.

I do Google news too - and Dotso.com is a site with a number of news sources available at the one place.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 09:06 pm
BBC world service is part of the CBC overnight programming during the week

(and of course BBC hosts my beloved h2g2 site)

last night's overnight log

http://www.cbc.ca/insite/OVERNIGHT_TORONTO/2005/2/21.html
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 09:11 pm
I stick with "Weekly Reader" for all my news:
http://www.lafayettelutheran.com/img/k04.jpg
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 09:49 pm
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Google News is offered in several versions, each tailored to a different national audience:

* Australia
* Canada
* France
* Germany
* India
* Italy
* New Zealand
* Spain
* United Kingdom
* United States


http://images.urbandictionary.com/view/large/5094.jpg

Very Happy
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 03:29 am
Um-hm. And I trust Al-jazeerah for my news. Rolling Eyes

http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2005%20News%20archives/February/21%20n/Bush%20Repairs%20Relations%20With%20Europeans%20By%20SPEAKING%20About%20Middle%20East%20Peace.htm
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 04:22 am
Hmmm - that makes three Al Jazeeras, as far as I can see.

This is the home-page of Al Jazeera.net, the widely known media organisation, which most people mean when they say Al Jazeera:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E4D19123-9DD3-11D1-B44E-006097071264.htm


I cannot see any evidence of connection with the site Whooda has just posted a story from, and Al Jazeera.net.

Then there is Aljazeera.com - which is, I believe, an organisation based in Egypt - which appears to masquerade as Al Jazeera.net. (And fooled me, to my abiding embarrassment - thanks again Freeduck!)

The site Whooda has posted from appears (I say APPEARS - I do not know how to confirm such things!) to be yet another entity - whose connections to the two others appear unclear - at least to me.

Are you aware of connections between Al Jazeera.net and Aljazeerah.info., Whooda?

I note they spell Al Jazeera differently...


Here is how Al Jazeera.net ntroduces itself:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5D7F956E-6B52-46D9-8D17-448856D01CDB.htm


Here is Aljazeerah.info's mission statement:

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Editorials/2002/April%202002/Mission.htm
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 05:17 am
I gotta admit I dont use a lot of "non-US, non-EU" sources. I mostly read a mix of Dutch, German and English papers (in the cafe or the library) and US sources online, digging up a French paper only when there's elections or some such (my French isnt good enough to read any regularly) and occasionally reading the Belgian Standaard in Cafe Polmans. Yeah, when something's up in Eastern Europe or the Former Soviet Union I look up English-language sources online from there. But true, nothing much from outside the West.

Still, the above gets you a pretty variegated mix of news tho. The German papers are usually most thorough (and therefore also the least relaxed a read ;-). The US ones are very centred on a particular perspective, the liberal ones too, and often their foreign reporting is quite superficial, barring the odd exception (TNR is good when its not about Israel/terrorism; the NY Review of Books is good tho I cant really afford it, and occasionally I'm reminded that the Christian Science Monitor has good stuff). Worst by far however are the British newspapers. I only read them to find out about UK politics & culture, for international news they're mostly useless, barring the occasional special report. And they're all totally & blatantly politicized. The Dutch ones are a little more fun than the German ones but more serious and foreign news-oriented than the British and American papers.

I once started this thread (though to my shame I never answered myself): What newspapers / (online) journals do you read? And why?.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 05:55 am
Are there news magazines (Time, Newsweek, US News & World Report, Forbes, etc.) in Europe? I agree the newspaper reporting often tends to be superficial over here (and as I have oft said, too often less tha professional), and I don't depend on newspapers as my primary source of news though I read or at least scan four (Wall Street Journal, Albuquerque Journal, Dallas Morning News, and NY Times) fairly regularly. The news magazines cited(these come out once a week) do more in depth reporting and analysis of current events, and there are some conservative and liberal opinion writers that I trust to do their homework and tell it like it is. As they have more time and resources to do that homework, I read what they write.

As for electronic sources, the only one I trust 100% is C-span. There you get it straight as it is happening with no commentary, no analysis, no filters. And it is pretty amazing to see it first hand with your own eyes and then see how it is reported in the morning paper. Smile
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 06:36 am
dlowan wrote:
Hmmm - that makes three Al Jazeeras, as far as I can see.

This is the home-page of Al Jazeera.net, the widely known media organisation, which most people mean when they say Al Jazeera:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E4D19123-9DD3-11D1-B44E-006097071264.htm


I cannot see any evidence of connection with the site Whooda has just posted a story from, and Al Jazeera.net.

Then there is Aljazeera.com - which is, I believe, an organisation based in Egypt - which appears to masquerade as Al Jazeera.net. (And fooled me, to my abiding embarrassment - thanks again Freeduck!)

The site Whooda has posted from appears (I say APPEARS - I do not know how to confirm such things!) to be yet another entity - whose connections to the two others appear unclear - at least to me.

Are you aware of connections between Al Jazeera.net and Aljazeerah.info., Whooda?

I note they spell Al Jazeera differently...


Here is how Al Jazeera.net ntroduces itself:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5D7F956E-6B52-46D9-8D17-448856D01CDB.htm


Here is Aljazeerah.info's mission statement:

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Editorials/2002/April%202002/Mission.htm


The point being ...

How condescending to submit your approved news sources.

Perhaps you'd like to suggest an approved reading list, too?
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 07:20 am
WhoodaThunk wrote:
The point being ...

How condescending to submit your approved news sources.

Perhaps you'd like to suggest an approved reading list, too?

The point being, I believe, that a website that appears to be that of Al-Jazeera is probably not - always good to catch something like that before you start going on false assumptions, right?

Important to keep in mind before forming or strengthening your take on either the subject or Al-Jazeera on the basis of it, I mean. <shrugs>
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 09:44 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Are there news magazines (Time, Newsweek, US News & World Report, Forbes, etc.) in Europe?


I suppose, in every country you'll find at least one.
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 10:30 am
Or all of those, as here in Paris!
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 10:39 am
If you guys don't mind--what would be the top news magazines in Paris and Germany--

The international news--and economic news?
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