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Eva's Wine Cellar

 
 
Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 10:36 am
@Eva,
Oh my! That Greek salad looks divine!http://souvlakistop.com/images/pic_salad.jpg
Yummy raw onions! Black olives! Feta cheese!
My tastebuds are preparing to dance.

(and of course I'll need another serving of those delightful onion rings. Whoever cooked them got them just right.)
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:05 am
@spendius,
It is a well known fact that talking about food, or even mentioning it, was a gross impropriety in the educated and refined circles of the 18th and 19th centuries. Does Jane Austen mention food? Maybe as the waving corn, or the orchard or the meadows which all have aesthetic properties.

Philippa Pullar, in her delightful and informative book Consuming Passions, (a history of food) which I have read with attention, and recommend, remarks on that social convention and explains it using the same sort of argument I offered above. That even alluding to food necessarily brings to the forefront of the "cause and effect" consciousness, so approved of by the intelligent scientific mind, the thought of the excrements resulting and the operations involved in parting with them and all those low and tawdry references which many a satirist has exploited with a success which can only derive from the audience's fascinations.

After all, chomping one's way through the nutrient bed is a behaviour common to the biology of many other orders of being and which our manners and etiquette are at pains to dissociate us from.

Some Englishmen of taste have been known to scrupulously avoid anyone witnessing them eating.

I am quite sure that Ms Pullar, who wrote a biography of Frank Harris, would approve of my attempts to redress the general vulgarity of this thread.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:24 am
@Sturgis,
That looks like the perfect Greek salad, but that would depend on the dressing IMHO. Mr. Green

Greek salad dressings.
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/11397/1/Greek-Salad-Dressing-Recipe.html
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:36 am
@spendius,
BTW--I have also read, indeed I own a fine Knopf edition of it, Ms Fisher's translation of The Physiology of Taste by Professor Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin which is recognised as the bible of all serious eaters.

The book contains, among many other delights, observations on feasting and fasting, the joys of gourmandism and their influence on marital happiness, definitions of the senses, dreams resulting from foods, sweet dreams from lettuce, for example, which set the drug industry to work, the erotic effect of truffles, the causes and cures for obesity and the calamity of thinness, particularly in women, and proscriptions for fattening them up.

"The discovery of a new dish does more for human happiness than the discovery of a star."

Which is not saying much bearing in mind the contribution to human happiness these days resulting from the discovery of a star.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:39 am
@spendius,
Who are you kidding? Food always has been part of the educated and refined circles since poor pheasants didn't have any to speak of. Just check out your own history, Buba!

Look at Henry VIII, who was known for hosting opulent feasts with every delicacy you could imagine. Perhaps the only type of food Henry didn't consume to excess was vegetables, which were viewed as the food of the poor and made up less than 20 percent of the royal diet. Was Henry proletariat?

Here is also a picture of 18th century England - I rest my case!
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5530/hogarth1.jpg

spendius
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:41 am
@Sturgis,
Apart from the olives, which come from the cupboard, I think the rest of the ingredients are now growing in my garden.

I don't know what is Greek about it. My olives are Product of Italy.

A Greek salad is the accounts book of the country's finance minister imo.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:44 am
@spendius,
Quote:
It is a well known fact that talking about food, or even mentioning it, was a gross impropriety in the educated and refined circles of the 18th and 19th centuries.
In England, mostly because the food there was, and still is, not worth talking about.

Are there any scones?
Joe(I'm about to make tea)Nation
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:46 am
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
In England, mostly because the food there was, and still is, not worth talking about.


oy!

keep up man. Much of the best, most innovative, cooking in the world has been happening in England for at least the last 20 or 30 years.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:46 am
@Joe Nation,
Now that you mention scones, I remember thinking many decades ago when I visited the UK, that scones with jam were the best food with coffee or tea. Mr. Green
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:48 am
@Joe Nation,
No scones, but some other tasty sweets

http://www.baeckerei-rhein.de/images/inhalte/baeckerweb038.jpg
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:51 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yes, that is why I want some. http://whatscookingamerica.net/CharlotteBradley/raisin-scones.JPG

We used to call little Irish Breads.

Joe(Nana was from Kerry)Nation
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 11:57 am
@CalamityJane,
That's a disgusting picture Cal. I've seen more explicit ones mind you but it's pretty bad.

Frank Harris described in My Life and Loves his experiences as a guest at a Lord Mayor's Banquet. You might need a fragrantly scented air-freshener spray handy to read it. He knew how best to cook potatoes and discovered how to keep the eyesight in good trim by the method George thinks was discovered by American Air Force scientists.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 12:06 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
In England, mostly because the food there was, and still is, not worth talking about.
I've just returned from England again and disagree. (That has been so, 30, 40 years ago)

Joe Nation wrote:
Are there any scones?
Since we've toured quite a bit between (and in) Devon and Cornwall, I'd always to recall where we were ... because the Cornish and Devon's method how to eat a scone differ 'totally': Cornwall - jam first and clotted cream on top vs. Devon - cream first with jam on top. (Since 48 years I prefer the Cornish method.)
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 12:26 pm
@Joe Nation,
Quote:
Are there any scones?


Oh me oh my! Warm buttered Cotswold scones with butter from the milk of wet nurses and strawberry jam from the pan in which it is being cooked, (don't forget to blow on it) is utterly disgusting. I feel slightly guilty finding myself writing about such things.

I defy anybody to think of the Quantum Theory whilst getting their laughing tackle into something of that nature. It's worse than the nectar of a dew-lipped Rose on a summer's morning in that respect. More Satanic. A "get thee behind me" job. And Jesus didn't have a scone like that to resist.

So now you know that anybody talking about the Quantum Theory is not having a particularly great time.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 12:34 pm
@CalamityJane,
Don't gaze at Cal's food art too long lads. I started feeling philosophical after about 20 seconds. The middle row got me going. I've seen symbolic patterns like that in paintings and carvings before.

Avert your eyes from the bottom left corner and don't magnify it as I made the mistake of doing.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 01:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
My first visit to England, or rather, London was in the late fifties. The food then was not only miserable, but there wasn't any variety - except in the pubs. Move forward 40 years, and the food started to improve by leaps and bounds. My last visit to London was in 2005, and the food was up to par with many countries - and the prices too! Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 02:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'll take your word and Walter's word for it. It is difficult to move a people beyond boiled beef and potatoes.

Joe(Though I'd take a bit of lamb pie for tomorrow's dinner.)Nation
http://www.foodnetworkasia.com/content-images/RecipeImages/country_lamb_pie.jpg
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 02:14 pm
@Joe Nation,
http://www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/collections/fathers-day

and one of my favourite stories about Brit cooking

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/503680.stm
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Eva
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 02:24 pm
Somehow we've shifted from Mediterranean food to British food. I am not quite sure how, but spendius may be to blame. And we never even got to the pasta course!!!

Oh well....carry on.

(Those pastries look good! Maybe some French ones tomorrow?)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2012 02:53 pm
@Eva,
Back to the Med. We have a very good Afghan restaurant in our town that serves up some of the best lamb in Northern CA.
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