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Oral and genital herpes

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 05:55 am
Let's be honest here. The real problem here is that people are squeamish about sex. I read the people being arrested for spreading HSV... and public health groups are outraged. This is another reason that you should not get tested for herpes.

If someone who has cold sores kisses someone else, should they be arrested? Cold sores are caused by herpes, and a grandmother can pass on Herpes by kissing her grandchild that the grandchild will then have for the rest of his life. Can you imagine said grandmother being arrested for spreading herpes? There are dozens of other skin conditions that are caused by a virus... from plantar warts to shingles. We don't freak out about them.

We are still repressed about sex. That is the issue here. That is why cold sores around the mouth are considered OK while cold sores on your penis will get you in jail even though they are caused by the save virus.

izzythepush
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 06:01 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Let's be honest here. The real problem here is that people are squeamish about sex.


The real "problem" is that female members of A2K do not wish to be quizzed about their sex lives by someone like you.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 06:08 am
@izzythepush,
Izzy,

You admitted to having a cold sore. That means you are carrying the herpes virus. Do you disclose this to your partners? Do you think that you should be in legal jeopardy if you don't?

I am standing up for you in this thread. You should be supporting me.

izzythepush
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 06:47 am
@maxdancona,
I don't want your support, I find you disgusting.

No hyperbole or exaggeration, you make my skin crawl, and I'm a big strong man, so I can only imagine how the women must feel.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 06:55 am
@izzythepush,
I think I hurt Izzy's feelings... but the issue is a fair one.

We separate Herpes into "genital" herpes and "oral" herpes. The difference is that one happens on the genitals, and the other happens on the face. There are two different strains of the virus (HSV-1 and HSV-2) that often indicate where the cold sores will appear. But it is not that simple, you can get either virus on either location.

We treat oral herpes (sores around the mouth) as normal. We get all all hyped up about genital herpes (sores around the genitals). They are the same sores, caused by the same virus, with the same very low health risks.

The difference is "sex". Herpes was hyped up in the 1970s to sell pharmaceuticals. Before that it was just a skin rash.
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maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 06:56 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
No hyperbole or exaggeration, you make my skin crawl, and I'm a big strong man, so I can only imagine how the women must feel.


This is awfully sexist. I think "the women" can take care of themselves... at least as well as a "big strong man" like you. You jumping in to rescue women is your fantasy, I don't think "the women" actually need you to protect them.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 07:05 am
@maxdancona,
No decent man would support you in your masturbatory endeavours, which let's face it, is what your questioning of the women here is all about.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 07:45 am
@izzythepush,
You support me more than you could ever know... you "big strong man" you...
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glitterbag
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 12:32 pm
@izzythepush,
He's a little delusional isn't he? I am always amused that guys still think they can call women prudes, repressed or worse if they don't immediately swoon when they are lucky enough to get male attention. Most men and women would refuse to answer nosy questions like "how much money do you make", because it's cloddish.....but sex, sure why not, it's natural. And if you refuse to entertain these rude questions obviously you must be repressed.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 12:46 pm
@glitterbag,
I guess I was wrong then Glitterbag... So you do appreciate having a "big strong man" such around to defend you from bad people with facts on the internet. I apologize. I suppose it is good to have such a gallant defender as Izzy to protect you. I will point out that the nastiness started with you and Izzy. I have made solid points, back up by logic. You and Izzy are responding with personal attacks and self pity.

Let's go over the facts again (just in case you would like to have a rational discussion rather than personal attacks.

1. Cold sores are caused by herpes (either major strain). Anyone who has had cold sores carries the herpes virus. For some reason, which no one can explain, cold sores on your genitals are more serious than cold sores on your face.

2. The herpes virus is very common. 25% of sexually active women carry the HSV-2 virus (the one generally associated with genital herpes)... and most never realize it. In most people any outbreak is too minor to even notice.

3. The current medical advice, in spite of the prevalence of the HSV-2 virus, is that no one should be tested unless they have symptoms. According to medical experts, the stigma is far worse than the disease in all but the rarest of cases.

4. If you have had a cold sore, you carry the herpes virus. It is ridiculous that someone who has had a cold sore to tell other people that they need to take the virus seriously. It is one person with herpes telling other people with herpes how to act.

This is a serious subject that effects real people. The real facts should be presented without this demonization and personal attacks. For Izzy, who says he has had a cold sore meaning he carries the herpes virus, to be so nasty in this discussion is the very definition of hypocrisy.
glitterbag
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 01:38 pm
@maxdancona,
You are a big crybaby. Not something most women see as 'bristling with boundless virility'.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 01:41 pm
@glitterbag,
I wish you two would grow up. This is a serious subject... and there are real people that you are demonizing. There is a lot of stigma. That people have the real facts is important.

You and Izzy are spreading fear about something that effects millions of real people. The stigma is not rational. I am responding with facts.

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izzythepush
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 03:26 pm
@maxdancona,
You are so very sad, I'm not trying to protect anyone, nor does GB need protecting she's shown you up for what you are.

What you need, and want so very much is for someone to take you seriously. I'm sorry poppet, that's never going to happen.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 04:13 pm
@izzythepush,
Then why are you here?

I am here to talk about the topic of thread, which is oral and genital herpes. You seem to be here to talk about me (I suppose I should be flattered). You and Glitterbag seem to be here to make personal attacks and spread fear that isn't supported by any facts.

You and Glitterbag are just here to troll.
glitterbag
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 05:52 pm
@maxdancona,
You seem to think I'm condemning herpes as a moral failing. I'm not, but if I was looking for another intimate partner I think I'd want to know if they had an STD. I'd also like to know if they had pink eye. I guess I am squeamish about unneccessary exposure to virus or bacteria. I know this sounds fussy-butt to a wild and crazy guy like yourself.....but I offered my opinion to the OP, you on the other hand have come to insulting conclusions because I didn't parrot your line. I didn't realize you are the only member that can express an opinion....oh hang on, YOURE NOT, it's called a forum mr. thinskin.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 05:57 pm
@glitterbag,
I don't mind having a discussion. You started start name calling, I didn't. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but I will point out the inconsistencies in the stance that I think you are taking.

If were looking for another intimate partner, and he had a cold sore in the past (meaning he is carrying the herpes virus), do you feel he has a moral obligation to tell you about this?

There is a stigma to one type of herpes that is due the fact that it is associated with the word "sex". The other type of herpes has the same health risks, the same symptoms except one is usually above the belt and the other below.

All I am saying is that the stigma for herpes is ridiculous and harmful. People who have had a "cold sore" on their face don't even want to use the word "herpes" for their virus, and people who have the same "cold sores" on their genitals are stigmatized. There is no reason for this.

Add to this diseases like shingles and plantar warts... how many viruses are on your list?

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maxdancona
 
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Tue 17 Apr, 2018 06:08 pm
This is a responsible message from a woman who has genital herpes and is fighting the stigma.

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izzythepush
 
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Thu 19 Apr, 2018 08:13 am
@gungasnake,
maxdancona
 
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Thu 19 Apr, 2018 10:48 am
@izzythepush,
Sure Izzy, so nice of you to offer...
 

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