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Dean to seek chairmanship of Democrats

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:29 pm
If Dr Frist was yukking it up about some Democrat addict, the sky would fall.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:37 pm
I imagine that he listens to Rush and knows that Rush spends a lot of his time talking about him, and feels he should reciprocate.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:37 pm
Well yeah, I get sooooooo tired of W going on and on about his Vietnam days as well, It just gets sooooooo boring after awhile. I mean, really, how often should we have to hear all about Alabama.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:39 pm
Dean's addicted to Limbaugh, ew!
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 04:50 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Well yeah, I get sooooooo tired of W going on and on about his Vietnam days as well, It just gets sooooooo boring after awhile. I mean, really, how often should we have to hear all about Alabama.


If you can remember Alabama.....you weren't there.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:50 pm
I should be wholly unsurprised were Dean to find himself out of a job before -if ever - DeLay is found to have violated any Senate rule or civil law.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 08:53 pm
Wager on Dean's longevity?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:18 pm
I feel like I set up a casino with this thread.


<sigh>
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 09:23 pm
You just got a spiritual-plane peek into timber's living room. His Aunt Hetty made all the lampshades from bleach bottles and bingo chips.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 05:24 pm
When I bet, Dean hibernates.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 05:25 pm
He said some good stuff today about how the Dems have to go talk to black voters all the time, not just 4 weeks before an election. I remember reading a lot about that, how black leaders were like, sure, NOW I see you...

Dean's point is that they're going to be doing stuff ALL the time, not just in the election window.

Much happier with him than I expected to be.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 05:28 pm
Quote:
Dean: Blacks Annoyed by Party's Outreach
By WILL LESTER
The Associated Press
Tuesday, May 24, 2005; 5:33 PM


WASHINGTON -- Black voters are upset with the Democratic Party for coming around just weeks before elections seeking their votes, party chairman Howard Dean said Tuesday in an interview with The Associated Press.

Taking black voters for granted is a long-standing problem for the party that dates to the 1960s, said Dean, who promised changes in strategy even as he cited diversity at the top of the Democratic National Committee.

"African-Americans are annoyed with the Democratic Party because we ask them for their votes four weeks before the election instead of being in the community now and that's a mistake I'm trying to fix," he said. "There's a new generation of African-American leaders and a new generation of African-Americans. We can't go out and say could you vote for us because we were so helpful during the civil rights era."


Go Howard!
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 06:10 pm
I like the guy, soz. A fighter for a time it is needed.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 06:57 pm
Dean steals a page from GOP playbook

The GOP has been treating blacks equally, consistently, and they're improving dramatically. They are power partners with our party.

The Dems use and excuse. I'm glad Howard is paying some attention to the group the Dems have treated so shabbily for so long....but I bet black Democrats are going to start demanding positions of real importance. They won't get them. Then, they'll see how the GOP elevates due to merit--and come on over.

Deans copying the GOP. He's got some kissing up to do.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 07:00 pm
Lash, we've been over this before. "Improving dramatically?" Anything to back that up?

"Dramatically", mind you.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 07:02 pm
I was looking for some nimh statistics, found one right here on this thread so will just quote:


nimh wrote:
Lash wrote:
Unfortunately for me, the GOP AND black Americans---you are right.

As I said elsewhere--Dean could burn a cross at the Black Caucus' Prayer Breakfast. The Dems keep a large contingent of black votes tucked away in their back pocket.


Note: this from the corner where Dems/libs are said to be racist because of how they treat blacks so condescendingly - you know, as folks who need help taking / defending their positions or something. Unlike our non-racist conservatives, who look at the 88% of Afro-Americans who choose to vote Democratic and see - not, of course, people who make an independent choice on the basis of personal and group experience and interests, no - it must just be a mass of all too easily deluded and manipulated black folk, ignorants whom the Dems can just tuck in their back pocket at will.

Its interesting, really, the mirror-effect here. They look at blacks and their voting patterns almost exactly like latte-sipping Vermont liberals look at those Republican-voting Southern working class folk: an undistinct mass of people who are so far removed from their reality that they just cant fathom or comprehend what their personal motivations to vote for the "wrong"party could possibly be - and so, derisively, they instead discount them and conclude that it must just be that they're a flock of all too easily manipulated sheep, who just let themselves be put in McAuliffe's resp. Rove's back pocket.

I say, as long as Republicans can not see how 88% of Blacks came to vote Democratic (in the 2004 elections, yes) beyond how it must all be a supersmart/evil scheme by the Dem strategists & populists, they wont ever extend their 11% share much, because they just dont understand. Just like the Dems wont make any new inroads among, say, Christian working folk until they stop explaining away their failure to do so thus far as, you know - just the result of Rove's evil schemes and rhetorics.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 07:06 pm
Like the article I linked--the GOP is out in the community, listening to blacks and showing them value.

But, most importantly, for the ones maligned and vilified re their relationaship with blacks--they sure have been elevated to the vaunted seats of power,

Not so in "their" party. What we do, we don't do as pay back. If the Dems were to share with blacks in the percentage the blacks back up the Dems--a large percentage of the power positions would be held by black Americans.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 07:09 pm
What?

Which power positions? The Bush administration is in power. Black people had positions of power in the Clinton administration.

If the GOP is doing such a great job working with that constituency, you'd think they'd get more than 12% of the vote. <shrug>

Meanwhile, nothing about "dramatic improvements", which is what I asked you to back up.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 07:13 pm
I think both Party's are going to abandon the blacks and go after the browns, Hispandering all the way.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 07:14 pm
Heh. Cool word.

I certainly hope not (abandoning blacks), Dean's emphasis now sure doesn't seem that way. We'll see.
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