Trump's embassy move to Jerusalem 'self-destructive'

Don't most countries get to determine where their capital is located? For better or worse, that does seem the natural prerogative of each country.

Sure, there's the "might makes right" approach to the conflict, but it's not conducive to the peace that the Zionists desire.

There's the reality that "one cannot have their cake and eat it too" that the Zionists obdurately ignore.

InfraBlue wrote:

Sure, there's the "might makes right" approach to the conflict, but it's not conducive to the peace that the Zionists desire.

Since that peace is being denied to them no matter what they do, there isn't much that Israel can do except not give up any more land until people are finally willing to make peace with them.

InfraBlue wrote:

There's the reality that "one cannot have their cake and eat it too" that the Zionists obdurately ignore.

They don't ignore that. They'd love to exchange land for peace. The trouble is, that is pretty hard to do when the other side refuses to ever make peace.

Don't most countries get to determine where their capital is located? For better or worse, that does seem the natural prerogative of each country.

No. Peace is being denied the Zionists because they demand it on their own terms in violation of the rights of the Palestinian peoples. Land is only one factor in the conflict.

No, that's a simplistic take on the matter which would have one country, like the US deciding on what its capital might be, in a territory over which a dispute has yet to be resolved. Scratchass, Alaska isn't a disputed territory.

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Only 16 percent of Jewish Americans support moving the embassy to Jerusalem immediately, according to AJC’s 2017 Survey of American Jewish Opinion. Slightly more than a third — 36 percent — favor moving it “at a later date in conjunction with progress in Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.” But a plurality — 44 percent — disagree with moving the embassy all together.

Nearly 170 Jewish studies scholars from American colleges and universities signed a statement expressing “dismay” at Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital:

“Jerusalem is of immense religious and thus emotional significance to Jews, Muslims, and Christians alike. It is the focus of national aspirations for both Israelis and Palestinians. We hope one day to see a world in which all inhabitants of the land enjoy equal access to the city’s cultural and material resources. Today, unfortunately, that is not the case.

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A recent Brookings Institution poll said the majority — 53 percent — of American evangelicals supported Trump’s decision to move the embassy.

The support behind the decision may be because some evangelicals believe that God made a covenant with the Jewish people promising them Israel, including Jerusalem (and the Palestinian territories), Brandeis University Israel studies fellow Walker Robins wrote for The Post.

“But it’s not just about theology. Several less obvious historical geopolitical factors also play a role in their calculations. Many American Christian Zionists believe Israel to be an essential ally in a Judeo-Christian civilization struggle — or even holy war — against radical Islam.

For decades, evangelical supporters of Israel have argued that the United States and Israel are on the same side of fundamental global divides.”

White evangelicals are the religious group that supports Trump at the highest rate, and he won their support during the 2016 campaign in part by promoting pro-Israel policies.

“Jerusalem is of immense religious and thus emotional significance to Jews, Muslims, and Christians alike. It is the focus of national aspirations for both Israelis and Palestinians. We hope one day to see a world in which all inhabitants of the land enjoy equal access to the city’s cultural and material resources. Today, unfortunately, that is not the case.

Oralloy would/will just say they are self hating Jews and the evangelical Americans are anti-Semites.

I asked oralloy why the Zionists wait over a thousand years before deciding to "reclaim" their property--property on which Palestinians now live?

He answered that there was no deliberate decision to wait. They took the first opportunity they got.

So I said that there was of course a deliberate decision to wait over a thousand years. Otherwise, they wouldn't have waited.
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Now what do you care to add to the discussion other than your kneejerk reaction which consists of the old tried and true anti-semite cry?

American politicians have no business interfering with what is going on in Israel - or in the Middle East as a whole. They seem to have no hand for diplomacy.

I don't find pointing out anti-Semitism, no matter how it's cloaked, to be knee-jerk or tried and true.

Do a simple search and you will find that the Republic of China 's name fills every list of occupied territories and territorial disputes.

What the Chinese have done in Tibet makes what Isreal is accused of doing in Gaza and the West Bank pale in comparison.

That's not surprising, considering your position that bringing up the Israeli regime's violation of international law and Geneva Conventions is an anti-semitic act. So, yeah, kneejerk.

I guess your point here is that if the Chinese can be bastards, then so can the Zionists. That's a highly interesting point, but for all the wrong reasons.

Falsely accusing Jews of imaginary crimes is a common aspect of anti-Semitism.