Evolutionry/religious nonsense

@Helloandgoodbye,

Did God use rats to deal with the rotting flesh of WW1 dead during Church Parade ?

@vikorr,

Geez, you guys can misinterpret just about everything whether it be scripture, fossils or even my posts.

Evolution does claim it can turn cows in to Whales. And if you believe in mankind evolved ultimately from bacteria, which is pond scum, then this is just a play on words to get a point across about morality too. Just as I try to get the point across that no one knows it all, therefore everyone is religious, and anyone who says they are not religious would put themselves in the category of a know it all, like God, Who is the only one who can claim to be not religious.

I think it is because you guys wish to interpret things that way, (my posts as condescending) as I mentioned before to hide from the light, the truth, Because you cannot handle the truth mentally. Your hearts are not receptive either.

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Figuring out how to convey something metaphysical, revealed by metaphysical means, without sounding like a flaming delusional asshole is indeed a challenging thing.

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@fresco,

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Did God use rats to deal with the rotting flesh of WW1 dead during Church Parade ?

Why not? As JC said, ****'em, let the dead bury the dead. (paraphrased, but accurate)

But seriously, what point are you making here?

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@Leadfoot,

The point is that our preacher friend has suggested animal stories as an illustration of divine involvement in human relationships.
I am merely exploring the limits of the genre. The empirical demonstration of the rapid evolution of antiibiotic resistant bacteria might make for an interesting extrapolatory test along those lines !

But you are right....my comments are 'pointless' to deist basking is his personal epiphany with his fingers in his ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysFrt3V7nvI

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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Geez, you guys can misinterpret...my posts.

And the dishonesty continues. Your condescending behaviour towards others is quite plain to see. Even a person who lies to themself should have taken pause, and done a bit of introspection - the lack of such suggests there's some fanaticism or similar involved as well.

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I think it is because you guys wish to interpret things that way

And what motivation do I have for that?
- As I've said, I have plenty of time for parts of religion, with my main issue being the lack of questioning, and any cases of intolerant ideology.
- I've added to that by saying multiple times - you are welcome to your beliefs, just don't expect others to buy them; and
- until the point you actually started lying about loving others, I have been polite to you
- even now, the reason for calling you a liar, is purely that - in this specific instant, the evidence points to you lying

So, once again, what possible motivation do I have for 'misinterpreting' your attitude towards other posters?

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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Evolution does claim it can turn cows in to Whales

No. It claims that, in the right circumstances Animal A becomes:
- A+, then later
- A+@, then later
- A+@#, then after lots of these
- B (still being very similar to A), then later
- B&, then after lots of these
- C (still being very similar to A, but a little different), then after lots of those
- D etc down millions of mutations

If A is a cow, it does not become a whale. In this sequence, not even ZA would be the animal that becomes a whale.

Maybe, just maybe, millions of evolutions later, the animal that is now one step removed from a whale, becomes a whale.

So your nonsense is a highly dishonest representation of the concept of evolution. It is stated that way purely to take the piss out of the concept, and it's use in such a manner while calling people blind, lacking in truth etc - is patronising and condescending.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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It is sad to see how Gods ppl have compromised biblical truth of a world created vegetarian, free fromdeath and decay, apx. 6,000 years ago with a false teaching like evolutionism, and compromise with immmorality too Sad

CONSPIRACY ALERT

The world's scientists are engaged in a conspiracy to deceive everyone else that the world is older than 6,000 years.

Only our dogmatic doyen of divine definitude, Helloandgoodbye, stands ready to stymie and thwart their evil intent.

One can only guess at their motives.

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@laughoutlood,

A little logic can be helpful. Why did the christian god appear only 2000 years ago when Homo sapiens evolved from the primates over 200,000 years ago? Also, http://www.dartmouthapologia.org/apologia/greek-mythology-and-the-christian-doctrine-of-god/

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@vikorr,

Nope, speaking with confidence and pointing out the illogical is not taking a position of superiority, just taking the correct position 😉

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@cicerone imposter,

And where is the website or information which would be the rebuttal to the one you just posted? Did you again ‘forget’ to read an argument against such information you just provided? (Because u r satisfied with the misinformation it provides....it ‘tickles your ears)
I think u r guilty of this yet again.

Starting with the fact humanity never evolved 200,000 years ago...just because your religion says so

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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Nope, speaking with confidence and pointing out the illogical is not taking a position of superiority, just taking the correct position

If that is purely what one is doing - then no one is going to disagree with you on that score. The thing is, in relation to the examples I provided - you either weren't doing that, or you were doing more than that (with the 'more' evidencing the patronising attitude), or plain being dishonest (your dishonest representation of evolution).

Introspection doesn't appear to be one of your strong suites.

You can keep on all you like about 'truth'. The fact is, you aren't able to tell it, because you don't know how to question it, or aren't willing to. Frankly, I doubt you even understand what I mean by that.

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@vikorr,

Well, you are entitled to your own interpretation and conclusions, as wrong as they all may be.
starting with your interpretation of fossils, and just the general world around us even though it screams design.
Again, just like your claim that I support ‘evil deeds.’ I think you just conjure up these ideas (lies to convince yourself) because of mentally being afraid of the truth, and the light exposing the dark deeds of your sinful nature and life.

I think one of the biggest lies people tell themselves, ( bigger than evolution ) is that they are a ‘good person.’ Good enough to enter A peaceful heavenly society.
Kind of like someone saying they are Good enough f to play in a major-league sport when clearly they are not.
They believe the lie that there is no God, and say to them sells well, if there is a heaven I should make it in. I have my bases covered. I am a good person.When nothing could be further from the truth! Thoughts?

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@Helloandgoodbye,

and cicerone

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And where is the website or information which would be the rebuttal to the one you just posted? Did you again ‘forget’ to read an argument against such information you just provided? (Because u r satisfied with the misinformation it provides....it ‘tickles your ears)
I think u r guilty of this yet again

I don't think a rebuttal is needed. I think it needs to be completed, which was pointed out in the posst following the article. Here is a portion of that.

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Lord Nicholas Middleton-Ensign
AUGUST 17, 2016 AT 2:25 AM
Interesting article, but isn’t comparing Greek Mythology and Christian Theology, it is contrasting.

There are many similarities between the two, that you didn’t cover.
ex). the fact that all of the realms in both religions are the same. Elysium = Heaven
Earth = Earth
Fields of Asfedodel = Sheol/Limbo of infants/Purgatory
Fields of Punishment/Tartarus = Hell

ex) Christianity has one god in three persons, but many angels and demons that are powerful, and could be considered a deity, and then Greek mythology had the three most powerful gods (Zeus, Posioden, and Hades) that could be a misconception of God in three persons, and lesser gods and monsters that could be either angels or demons.

My point is, there are a lot of similarities between the two if you look closely and at odd and different angels.

I do also in fact believe that the Greek and Roman mythologies were based on, although somewhat misconceived when being developed, Christianity.

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Michael
DECEMBER 4, 2016 AT 6:05 PM
I too believe that the Greek Pantheon is the predecessor in the evolution of Christianity. If one looks past the idiom that the Old Testament is Divine inspiration of God’s Word and wiew it subjectively, the story of creation fits remarkably well with the Greek counterpart.

I think cicerone is struggling because he thinks more like the second poster here. Instead of viewing them subjectively as all separate stories, he should combine his multiple subjective points of view into one objective point of view. Cicerone could do this by using scientifically obtained data to obtain the more subjective point of view. and then, use archaeological data to develop a more historical (realistic) viewpoint, and then use mythologies and folklore with the bible to develop a more objective point of view.

The problem is how do you convert the mythologies and biblical accounts of people from different cultures, (some were even illiterate) to current views when even some of the current scientific views make very little sense from a realistic point of view.

Anyway cicerone, you need to attempt to combine all the stories from all religions, folklore and science into one coherent world view that tells one universal story.

Hint, look up the meaning of the word Catholic.

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@fresco,

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...Instead of viewing them subjectively as all separate stories, he should combine his multiple subjective points of view into one objective point of view.

. All religions are subjective perceptions; they're based on "faith." The only objective view of religion is that man have created many religions and gods. They are one step "better" than comic book characters, because of their human persona; their physical existence that resembles humans. However, if we go back far enough, gods were animals, sun, moon, stars, and mythological creations. Faith is a necessary component of living in society, and it depends greatly on where one lives. Some countries are more safe than others. Our city, Sunnyvale, CA, is considered one of the safest cities in the US. Our crime rate and drug use is one of the lowest in the country. Most of the occupants are high tech workers with higher education. The year around climate is moderate; something I greatly appreciate in retirement. I no longer have to shovel snow every winter like I did when we lived in Naperville, IL. Religion is not a big part of my life, although all my siblings are christians, and my wife is buddhist. My belief in evolution is based on what I learned through reading. I was once a christian, but I found it to have too many contradictions in its teachings as a young teen. I don't call it "religious nonsense," because us humans really don't know how this planet and its inhabitants came into being. Scientists tell us that humans evolved from primates. Life can be formed from inanimate objects; it has to do with acidity and proteins. I think and believe that if there is a "god," a person who lives with ethics and good will is all that is needed to be judged.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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They believe the lie that there is no God, and say to them sells well, if there is a heaven I should make it in. I have my bases covered. I am a good person.When nothing could be further from the truth! Thoughts?

We are probably worlds apart theologically, but that is one thing we can certainly agree on. Enlightenment consists largely of discovering that we are indeed all assholes. It can take a lifetime to discover that though.

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@cicerone imposter,

Quote:’Scientists tell us that humans evolved from primates.’
Some do. Some don’t.
To be more specific, evolutionists who embrace evolutionism as part of their worldview tell us this....with zero hard evidence of course Wink

see your next quote below i.e.

Quote:’Life can be formed from inanimate objects; it has to do with acidity and proteins.’
See, only evolution ‘scientists’ and tell us(preach)this, not hard facts. (And it’s followers.)

Quote:’I think and believe that if there is a "god," a person who lives with ethics and good will is all that is needed to be judged.’

BINGO!
What is ‘good?’ How do we know how to live so that if we are judged, we can be ‘good enough?’

If the God of Israel is the true God *wink wink* then he has revealed to humanity that NONE of us, not One are good enough.
If and when we stand judgment, we would all Perish under the Law. (Can’t swim your way through judgement day)

Romans 3:23 ‘for ALL have sinned...’(broken the law)
https://biblehub.com/romans/3-23.htm

What happens when u break the law? Jail time! (Hell is a familiar English word used for eternal separation from God, and a heavenly society)

What then is the Good News?! That someone has paid your bail out of Jail!
Guess who?! Wink

U see? Again, without Gods revelation to mankind, we would be eternally lost!

***We could not know right from wrong(morality truths) or Creation truths like the age of the earth, or Why we are here, or whereto afterlife, or even able to know Gods very nature. LOST we would be, eternally!***

Just look at the extreme difference between your belief in billions of years, and the extreme difference of you thinking you are ‘Good’ enough!
Massive difference between your man made beliefs (religion) and Gods revelation to mankind huh?!?!?

You want to be on board the ‘Ark of Salvation’ (this time Jesus, not a boat) BEFORE judgement day....just like the days of Noah right?! If not, it will be too late, not genuine desire to be on the ark. You will die in your sins Sad

Good news or what huh?! Smile

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@Helloandgoodbye,

Give that you have provided zero evidence for your idiotic "god" theory, you have no room to sneer at others. Not that that ever stops the religionists.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

Epiphany, epiphany,
The free drug for 'thee'.

Evolution, evolution,
The rational solution.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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starting with your interpretation of fossils, and just the general world around us even though it screams design.

As I haven't actually given my interpretation of fossils, or intelligent design, how can you know it? Again, this viewpoint comes from a lack of questioning. As a clue, I said further back in this thread that I sometimes take positions that I don't hold or have no vested interest in, because of peoples lack of questioning.

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Again, just like your claim that I support ‘evil deeds.’

You say yourself that you support the mass killing of children for name calling. Such is the nature of supporting evil in the name of 'righteousness'.

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Again, just like your claim that I support ‘evil deeds.’ I think you just conjure up these ideas (lies to convince yourself) because of mentally being afraid of the truth, and the light exposing the dark deeds of your sinful nature and life.

ROFL. I admit all my weaknesses, accept that that I have flaws, and openly question every part of who I am - particularly when contradictions arise. And on the positive side - because I accept and take responsibility for who I am - I also better myself every year.

I found this approach on my own, well after leaving Christianity. I find it a much more productive approach. The total approach is long winded, but suffice to say that it works for me, in my life. The thing is - it requires questioning, and fear is the bane of such an approach. Only true honesty works, particularly when contradictions arise. Having done so for around 2 decades, it's easy enough to see when someone isn't engaging in it.

As I said - I doubt you will even understand when I say you aren't engaging in honest introspection. And that's fine. It takes a lot of work....and as a short circuit, when I say you are lying, or being dishonest - that is exactly what I see...a person being dishonest with themselves because they wish to see themselves as good.

The thing is - I see you as likely to be good (I don't really know you), even with your support for a evil act millenia past. You possess flaws relating to the honesty of your self introspection, but that is human - I possessed it to in large degree at one time - and still possess it (I don't know if it's ever possible to be truly free of such). And the path to truly open introspection is hard to find (evidenced by so many people, religious and non religious not finding it0. I don't see such as making a person 'bad' or evil, just human.

It doesn't mean that self deception, and poor behaviour shouldn't be called out.

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