Evolutionry/religious nonsense

@fresco,

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Different 'gods' function as a group expression of the tribalism we inherit as primates. They function as 'devine authority' in issues of social control and cohesion. Gods exist is so far that all existence any concept (scientific or otherwise) rests entirely on its human utitility in their efforts to predict and control.

. Concise and precise. It works, because all those man-made religions and gods were successful in controlling the masses. GREEK AND ROMAN MYTHOLOGY NAMES
Greek Name Roman Name Description
Zeus Jupiter King of Gods
Hera Juno Goddess of Marriage
Poseidon Neptune God of the Sea
Cronos Saturn Youngest son of Uranus, Father of Zeus
Aphrodite Venus Goddess of Love
Hades Pluto God of the Underworld
Hephaistos Vulcan God of the Forge
Demeter Ceres Goddess of the Harvest
Apollo Apollo God of Music and Medicine
Athena Minerva Goddess of Wisdom
Artemis Diana Goddess of the Hunt
Ares Mars God of War
Hermes Mercury Messenger of the Gods
Dionysus Bacchus God of Wine
Persephone Proserpine Goddess of Underworld
Eros Cupid God of Love
Gaia Gaea Goddess of Earth

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@cicerone imposter,

Quote: ‘So, when god flooded the world and killed most animal life, that wasn't murder?’

Nope.

Was dropping an atom bomb on Japan murder? Nope too.

U see?

Extremely Terrible and sad that any ‘chief’ or being should have to make tough executive decisions like these:(
Sin is a terrible thing huh?!

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@cicerone imposter,

U forgot the time and chance God of evolutionism 😉

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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. Killing of innocent civilians, women and children, is a crime against humanity.

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Crimes against humanity - Definition, Examples, Cases
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Crimes against humanity are criminal acts that are directed at an identifiable group of people. Genocide is an example of a crime against humanity.

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@cicerone imposter,

Hiroshima – an act of terror masked as a mercy killing
The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are portrayed, mainly in the English-speaking world, as actions motivated by a strong desire to end the war as quickly as possible in order to save (US) lives. The Hiroshima bombing, and the atomic attack on Nagasaki, are given a humanitarian cover, disguised as mercy killings by a US political and economic leadership intent on reducing the death and destruction resultant from a ground invasion of the Japanese mainland.
This narrative of "saving lives", portraying the incineration of two cities and their inhabitants as life-saving measures to avoid a prolonged and bitter war, has become deeply ingrained in the English-speaking countries. Hiroshima has come to symbolise the beginning of a new atomic age of warfare. Remembering Hiroshima as a world-changing event serves to disguise the destructive impact of the atomic bombings.
The New York Times, the faithful lapdog of the imperial US ruling class, described the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as "awesome brutality". While the article’s author, Serge Schmemann, does admit that the atomic age escalated the danger of geopolitical disputes to human survival, he casts doubt on ever resolving the ethical question of whether these attacks are justifiable.
This official portrayal, underlying the motivation for the pursuit of nuclear weapons by the United States and associated imperialist powers, is undermined by a number of stubborn facts. By 1945, the Japanese war machine had been largely defeated, the Imperial Japanese navy sunk to the bottom of the ocean and the economy laying in ruins. The Japanese air force had an achilles heel – fuel supplies, which were in short supply. The Japanese army was retreating, and fighting only rearguard defensive actions to maintain its losing grip. In July 1945, the Allied powers – the USSR, the United States and Britain – issued the Potsdam declaration, insisting on a complete surrender of the Imperial Japanese forces.
As professor Gar Alperovitz, the principal expert on the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks and author of the definitive works on the decision to use the bomb, notes that:
Long before the bombings occurred in August 1945—indeed, as early as late April 1945, more than three months before Hiroshima—U.S. intelligence advised that the Japanese were likely to surrender when the Soviet Union entered the war if they were assured that it did not imply national annihilation. An April 29 Joint Intelligence Staff document put it this way: “If at any time the U.S.S.R. should enter the war, all Japanese will realize that absolute defeat is inevitable.” My prior opinions about the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, my ancestral home, was approval, but after reading this article, it seems like overkill.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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I love how the bear was used in judgement. Look it up and see What is really going on.

I'm very familiar with the story. I use to be christian. The crime was to call Elijah an old baldy. The act was pure evil on Gods part. If you love it, you also love acts of evil.

The contradiction in the nature of God, between the old and new testaments, are contradictions that I noticed even as a child. The 'J' is irrelevant to God's nature, in so far as in Malachi it says "I am the lord your God. I change not." I've not yet heard anyone come up with an explanation that holds water - superficial fluff, yes.

For me, I've always questioned everything, because I wanted to understand why I believed what I believed.

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@cicerone imposter,

You did sum it up at the end there when you commented that ‘originally you approved of The atomic bombings. ‘ Why? Because such executive decisions of taking lives can be justified...that is the bottom line. Whether a global flood, atomic bombings, or any other means Of taking the lives of a collective whole group of ppl.

as we move into A New Age of atomic warfare, more executive decisions will have to be made, which again will be justified in the near future....terrible! Oh how sinful mankind is!!!! More serious repercussions of sin!

I disagree, even after the first bombing, Japan was not willing to surrender, it took two bombs Sad

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@cicerone imposter,

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My prior opinions about the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, my ancestral home, was approval, but after reading this article, it seems like overkill.

So you would have preferred the conventional incendiary bombing like on Tokyo and other cities that killed many more than the A bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Oh yes, far more humane to fry them in a fire rather than blast them with a nuke.

And it's so convenient that your change of heart happens many years after supporting the military nuclear arsenal.

And You complain about contradictions!

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@vikorr,

The big reason God sent out to bears to tear up the 42 young men was because their motivation was along the lines to ‘spit in the face of God.’
Something I do not recommend you or I do the day we meet our maker, or even before that.
They were the evil ones, not God.

Here:
https://bible.org/seriespage/4-elisha-and-two-bears-2-kings-223-25
This explains a little more in depth.

Again, there is no contradiction between the nature of God in the Old Testament vs the New Testament.
God does not change, you are right about that.

What changed between the two testaments was Jesus death, which drastically altered the relationship between mankind and God. That is what changed, make sense?
Remember, the relationship between mankind and God was severed in the garden of Eden.
In The old testament mankind was under the law For it was unfulfilled, Jesus death did Fulfill that need, thankfully right?! ( kind of like you breaking the law and landing yourself in jail, and then someone stepping in to pay your bail!!)

Thoughts?

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@vikorr,

I can clearly remember the days I stood in fierce opposition and rebellion.

It brings a tear to My eye knowing Jesus said on the cross ‘ forgive them father for they do not know what they do’
....now, now that I know the truth, i am much more accountable, and if I was to behave like I used to, well, it wouldn’t be pretty! My soon to be rotting flesh will be the least of my worries. Agreed?

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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The big reason God sent out to bears to tear up the 42 young men was because their motivation was along the lines to ‘spit in the face of God.’
Something I do not recommend you or I do the day we meet our maker, or even before that.
They were the evil ones, not God.

If you say so. It never ceases to amaze me how people can justify mass murder, and/or utter evil, to themselves.

So much for taking into account their age, their lack of understanding, or that they may grow into kind, generous, and decent human beings. So much for turning the other cheek, or even understanding and forgiveness - just kill them all for name calling.

All those christian values, shown to false or hypocritical in your life.

While that is harsh - my intention isn't to belittle all your beliefs - this is a very specific conversation, but one that touches on the concept of values - which is a very broad thing.

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What changed between the two testaments was Jesus death, which drastically altered the relationship between mankind and God. That is what changed, make sense?

No, for we are talking about the fundamental nature of a being. An omniscient/omnipotent being cannot go from vengeful and to be feared, to loving, forgiving, and kind - as it must be entirely consistent (ie. as per previous, it can't change), its nature stays the same.

'It changed with Jesus' is the superficial fluff that I was talking about as explanation. There has to be consistency as to why it changed with Jesus.

Complicating that - Jesus, as the Son of God, was saying things that directly contradicted the nature of the God of the Old testament before he died. So arguments stating his death as atonement for sins caused the change, are problematic.

I've always found that whenever theology becomes convoluted, it doesn't truly have an answer (the problems get lost / ignored in the layers of complexity, that sound good, but have problems)

And it all stems from the fact that when looking at the basics - there is contradiction.

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Remember, the relationship between mankind and God was severed in the garden of Eden

Changed. It couldn't be severed or he would not have spoken to people or chosen the Jews.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

No. I felt Japan's surprise attack on the US was the biggest "sin." That's the reason I initially felt the attack on Japan by our nuclear weapons were justified. Japan's atrocities in the Far East were well known. However, after many years of contemplating how our policies of war have changed, I felt the killing of innocent civilians were too harsh in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In the late 1950's, I was in the US Air Force and worked with nuclear weapons, loading them onto B36's, B47's and B52's. Similar bombs used in Japan were the ones I worked with in addition to thermonuclear weapons. Evolution happens in our thinking too~! Human made misery is evidenced by history. The holocaust was another human tragedy. I wonder if we'll ever learn. I designed this patch for the 37th Aviation Depot Squadron at Walker AFB. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1950s-usaf-37-aviation-depot-squadron-418963297

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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....now, now that I know the truth, i am much more accountable, and if I was to behave like I used to, well, it wouldn’t be pretty! My soon to be rotting flesh will be the least of my worries. Agreed?

As I said before - there are many parts of religion that I have a lot of time for. It's ability to change peoples lives for the better is one of them.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

[quote....now, now that I know the truth, i am much more accountable, and if I was to behave like I used to, well, it wouldn’t be pretty! My soon to be rotting flesh will be the least of my worries. Agreed?][/quote]

Are you seriously asking for agreement that 'you know the truth' when you are ignorant of the contextual semantic nuances of 'you' ,'know' and 'truth'! And as far as your 'rotting flesh'is concerned, there will be no today's 'you' to worry about it or anything else. If in doubt, think about where this 'you' was during each night's period of dreamless sleep. Did it perhaps go to commune with your deity, or did it just 'switch off' as in death. And who were those strange bunch of 'yous' that inhabit their dreams? Maybe it's one of those weirdos who craves agreement with its fantasies ! Wink

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When I do find interesting is that how humanity can embrace illogical positions like evolutionism(and other false teachings and Gods)
How, No matter how many facts, or logic or thrown at such individuals they carry-on! It is rather cool psychological phenomenon.

From my experience there Can be an argument, yet there is no debate.
The truth is obvious, yet it seems people remove the true God from the picture to elevate themselves as God, dictating right from wrong.
They cannot mentally handle the truth, So they condure up lies and embrace misinformation and such because of such weak mindedness.

Love you guys! Hope u guys seek truth, which I have found, and demonstrated you have not done, and seem to have no desire of.

Ppl love the darkness:
https://biblehub.com/john/3-19.htm
Cause the light exposes their sinful nature. Sad

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Carry on! Ttyl

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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illogical positions like evolutionism

If you think this - you aren't paying attention to your own religions higher thinkers - even creationists acknowledge the logic of evolution - but their refrain relates to 'the missing link', and so they say evolution too must be based in faith.

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No matter how many facts, or logic or thrown at such individuals they carry-on

That would be because the creation story, and subsequent timeline, doesn't match the fossil record. Fossil records are facts.

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Love you guys! Hope u guys seek truth, which I have found, and demonstrated you have not done, and seem to have no desire of.

If you 'love you guys' - why do you keep speaking in a condescending / patronising manner to posters? On this, I shall call you a liar. Your actions speak much louder than your words.

Your absolutism in relation to what is the truth, is a mote in your eye, not mine.

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@vikorr,

Or, have Gods ppl embraced a false teaching like evolution? Are they compromising? U see? Israel did this time and time again:(

Fossils don’t speak. They are open to interpretation.

Calling out evolutionism (and those who embrace it and preach it) for what it is is not condescending, remember, I used to be just as ‘lost’ and embrace the illogical. (I think u r just drumming up another false idea to cling to, to hide from the light, the truth)

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@vikorr,

Quote ‘So much for taking into account their age, their lack of understanding, or that they may grow into kind, generous, and decent human beings.’

This is another demonstration that you have not and do not seek truth.
You do not take the time to look up the facts.
This says a lot about the condition of your heart. Try not to make judgments based on emotions....

Again, here is the link I provided earlier which goes into much more depth regarding why God used the bears to tear up, how old the men were, their level of understanding, and their rejection, hatred and wickedness.
Apology accepted😉
https://bible.org/seriespage/4-elisha-and-two-bears-2-kings-223-25

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Ah-hahahahahahahahaha . . . as though the bobble deals in fact. Those are stories, not facts.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

vikorr wrote:

If you 'love you guys' - why do you keep speaking in a condescending / patronising manner to posters? On this, I shall call you a liar. Your actions speak much louder than your words.

helloandgoodbye wrote:

Calling out evolutionism (and those who embrace it and preach it) for what it is is not condescending

Your posts are not based in love, and any claim by you is simply a lie. Below is a list of you being condescending to others.

helloandgoodbye wrote:

I do enjoy ppl of the evolution faith explaining how evolution works, and how it has apparently turned cows into whales etc. No ones ever claimed this, so the lie/deception is patronising. However, if you believe evolution claims that, you haven't been paying attention, or your are purposefully misintrepreting it.

Humanity is nothing more than modified pond scum. Same as previous red writing

I just can’t wait til u meet your maker, and say to yourself, Wow, was I ever wrong! And that H&G guy had it right! Hehe Patronising

It is one thing to teach and preach cows can morph into whales or monkeys can morph into human beings ondescending/patronising - see first red writing

In other words, no one can know the truth. No one can know right from wrong good from bad. Sure thing chicken wing. patronising/condescending

Know it alls (condescending) with zero faith required cause they have all the knowledge in the universe, and outside it, like God! Condescending

This is what I mean, you need to do your homework because you were just wasting my time, well, sorta.... I like to use your self and others as leverage patronising / condescending

So no, you don't love your fellow posters, and saying so is just a lie.

In relation to the other parts of your posts, it appears you've gone completely away from questioning. If that works for you, that's fine - just don't expect others to buy from a person who supports acts of evil, can't display introspection, and then claims to know the truth.

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