Evolutionry/religious nonsense

No. I am exposing your ignorance of the vast epistemologixal literature which includes major discussions of 'theories of truth'. It's a transcendent position which puts simplistic claims of religionists in their place. i.e in a minor rhetorical league of their own , on a badly maintained playing field located in a multitude of mental backwaters.
(I'll refrain from discussing your facile attempt at an example of Russll's Paradox)

In other words, no one can know the truth. No one can know right from wrong good from bad. Sure thing chicken wing.

I love it when people claim to be non-religious. Know it alls with zero faith required cause they have all the knowledge in the universe, and outside it, like God!

Especially those who preach that once upon a time millions of years ago in a chemical soup, complex life forms like bacteria miraculously came to be! (The non-relioigios position)hehe
The old me....*sigh*

That explanation has meaning as long as you limit 'life' to mean your own existence and lifespan. If that is the extent of your ponderings concerning the meaning of life, OK. I don't think it is for most people when they are being honest. I know it's not enough for me.

Just caught this post of yours going back.
About the value of Pi in 1kings 7:23.
Here:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/faithfulphilosophy.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/is-1-kings-723-wrong-about-pi/amp/

Also:
http://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-difficulties/
This is a good list of alleged contradictions and errors(Soooooo many claims)
So many That You need to do your homework and seek truth! (Instead of embarrassing yourself with weak claims) cause I ain’t got time for one on one with every person on the web.😉

I am not looking for weak claims, like Pi claims, I am looking for genuine contradictions or errors. Which I have yet to find.

Start with, "thou shalt not kill."

You're not looking hard enough. http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm

Why is this a problem?

No, that is just your perspective, not mine. Again - if you can't find meaning in this life, how do you think you'll find it by living forever?

Uh - this is an incredibly unhappy outlook on life.

Meaning in the here and now, meaning for ten years, meaning in how you live your life, meaning in the values you hold, meaning in the relationships you have, meaning in where you are going / the journey you are on etc...are not trumped by death. They end when you die. The path you took was what is / was filled with meaning. That is not at all the same thing as being trumped by death.

Now, if you want to hold that 'they are indeed trumped by nothingness' - that is up to you. For me, that perspective is needless. I can't see any value in the perspective.

One of the great failings of religion is that it tries to build people up by first tearing them down (all are born sinners, etc), and holds both reward and fear out as motivation to better yourself.

While it works, I don't see it as a positive way to promote self esteem. One of the issues with that being, people with truly high self esteem (rather than ego) are usually amongst the best of people there are. Those with low, vary widely.

So I prefer the perspective that all men can better themselves. That everyone is capable of finding meaning. And that it takes work (both internal and external) to do so.

Give em hell, vikorr. LOL. It takes motivation and hard work to achieve something for oneself. There are many choices to select from, so complaining that they didn't have any opportunity is the most self-defeating aspect of life - especially in this country.

Chuckle aside, my intention wasn't to give helloandgoodbye hell - I actually have plenty of time for certain aspects of religions. The parts that have never sat well with me are:
-the part that doesn't question / discourages questions; and
- (not quite so relevant here, but it's still reared it's head) idea's that promote intolerance

These are the parts the two parts of any belief system or religion - that lead to intolerance, extremism, and in extreme cases, violence.

It hasn't been the case in this thread, but sometimes I've found myself taking a position that I don't hold or have any investment in, just because that position has something of value to be considered, and a poster isn't questioning their beliefs relating to that. Ie. all angles should be considered, and everything should be questioned. If it holds up time after time, without becoming contradictory, you may have something.

You are using words like 'know', and 'truth without the slightest idea about how different contexts give them different values. Religion is merely a psychological palliative evoked to counter your 'fear of the void', captured for example, by Shakespeare's observation ....

Life is a tale told by an idiot...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing".

Invention of absolutes, like deities', is the price humans pay for their useful concept of 'time' in which they can worry about their'fate'. It's the evocation of 'The Big Controller' to cover the failure of human control of events. It is a yearning for 'certaintity' against the reality of disorder expressed by the laws of thermodynamics. Different 'gods' function as a group expression of the tribalism we inherit as primates. They function as 'devine authority' in issuesof social control and cohesion. Gods exist is so far that all existence any concept (scientific or otherwise) rests entirely on its human utitility in their efforts to predict and control.

Sure, no problem!
Starting with thou shall not kill.
It is actually Thou shall not Murder:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/apholt.com/2015/03/17/thou-shalt-not-kill-vs-thou-shalt-not-murder/amp/
You see? Verrrrrry simple and clear answer to your question and alleged error/contradiction👍

I know I have addressed this before with you. This is what I mean, you need to do your homework because you were just wasting my time, well, sorta.... I like to use your self and others as leverage, as well as post stuff like this or anyone else who may be looking for an answer.
Just Google it. Again, if you just take a few minutes and seek truth you would not embarrass yourself By posting week claims and links to even more misinformation. Good day sir. Ttyl

Remember brother, the Internet is loaded with misinformation. Well, the world is loaded with misinformation. (Like evolutionism)
Take the time and go through a website like answering Christianity that you linked and you will find none of their alleged contradictions/errors stand up to scrutiny. Ciao for now

Contradictions in the bible are much more certain that thou shalt not murder, which isn't.

Old Testament Vs New

- God to be feared Vs God to be loved
- God of vengeance Vs God of forgiveness
- God who is selective in his love (choosing the Jews, and bringing down other peoples) Vs God of welcoming love
- God who sends she bears to kill 42 children Vs God of love and forgiveness
- God who sent great floods, plagues, and destroyed cities Vs God who says 'love your neighbour as yourself'
- God that doesn't change Vs God that apparently changed

Bible Vs Now
- God of miracles Vs ....no miracles

You can choose all the justifications in the world, but nothing actually justifies sending a she-bear to kill 42 children.

Unlike others, I'm not saying don't believe in God. I'm saying that you should question all beliefs, your own, and others - so that you understand your beliefs, their strengths, and their weaknesses. And by 'question' I don't mean empty questions where you only focus on one aspect to support your chosen belief - I mean question, as in you consider all angles for any validity, or otherwise, that they hold.

No, start with knowing the definition of words.


The word used in the book means 'murder'. There is a big difference between killing and murdering. You served in the military; did you think you were supporting a country that sanctioned mass murder with the nuclear weapons you helped maintain?

Right?! If these guys would just simply do some homework, some search for the truth, just a few minutes even they would discover so much more.

I love how the bear was used in judgement. Look it up and see What is really going on. (And ur other stuff too;)

I was just giving them the formal argument that they demand all the time.

In reality, they know instinctively the difference between the two types of 'killing', they are just looking for excuses not to look into the reality behind this world. They have a material model of this world and it works quite well, there is no denying that. It just does not answer that urge or feeling somewhere in their mind that there must be more. It must be suppressed or it will upend their entire mental model of reality. You have to discount answering that urge as wishful thinking or clinging to a mental teddy bear as a defense against the empty pit of what they see as reality. What they are doing is transforming facing that empty abyss into a noble, fearless recognition of that emptiness, it gives them strength to carry on in spite of the futility of it all - That is how they see themselves making meaning in life. It has its appeal, it really is good to see reality as it is and they really see 'this' as all there is. It works for them almost all the time.

You have to appreciate what they would have to give up in order to go after the pearl of knowing another reality.

Ah heck, I will give you a big clue As to why the big differences (not contradictions tho)as to why And how God Interacted with humanity in the new testament versus the old testament..... it is the Sunday school answer....hehe. Starts with a J too😉

Well said

. So, when god flooded the world and killed most animal life, that wasn't murder?