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Evolutionry/religious nonsense

 
 
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 07:32 pm
@brianjakub,
One (1) symbolizes a whole, a completeness.
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jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 07:35 pm
@brianjakub,
We don't know how completeness arose from nothingness but we can ponder the idea (though this may take time.)
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jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 07:37 pm
@brianjakub,
Maybe we need to establish that one (1) is indeed a symbol of completeness, that it is the first irrational number because it's so difficult to understand.
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 07:40 pm
@jerlands,
jerlands wrote:

Maybe we need to establish that one (1) is indeed a symbol of completeness, that it is the first irrational number because it's so difficult to understand.

Maybe though we can make one (1) rational by comparing it to itself?
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 08:01 pm
@jerlands,
jerlands wrote:

jerlands wrote:

Maybe we need to establish that one (1) is indeed a symbol of completeness, that it is the first irrational number because it's so difficult to understand.

Maybe though we can make one (1) rational by comparing it to itself?

In fact if you compare anything to itself you arrive at 1. 1/1=1, 2/2=1, 3/3=1 etc., but I'm trying to get back to one (1) arriving from nothingness and how everything came into existence between nothingness and one (1.)
brianjakub
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 08:44 pm
@jerlands,
The Universe was complete when it was one complete thought in the mind of God. Nothing has been added to that one thought that makes the thought anymore complete. The physical universe (including us) has been in a 7 day process of sharing that one thought with anyone who can understand it.
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 08:48 pm
@brianjakub,
brianjakub wrote:

The Universe was complete when it was one complete thought in the mind of God. Nothing has been added to that one thought that makes the thought anymore complete. The physical universe (including us) has been in a 7 day process of sharing that one thought with anyone who can understand it.

Great.. we've have contact... the idea however of one (1) becoming. The process of 2 becoming is said to be contraction that allowed the "other" to come into being.. right?
brianjakub
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 09:03 pm
@jerlands,
And we are the other to come into being?
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 09:06 pm
@brianjakub,
brianjakub wrote:

And we are the other to come into being?

umm, everything came into being in complete thought with one (1.) Duality is the expression of manifestation, of comparing oneself 1/1=1.
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jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 10:19 pm
@brianjakub,
brianjakub wrote:

And we are the other to come into being?

Let's move on to number 3. But I want to go back to this notion of subtraction being the inverse of addition and division being the inverse of multiplication. when we have 1/1=1 we actually have 3 things. We have the one (1) comparing itself (division/multiplication) and we have the result which is also one (1) so.. in this we actually have 3 things... the two halves and the whole all being indivisible because they represent the same thing.
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 10:24 pm
@brianjakub,
I think number is actually a cosmic or metaphysical notion but our minds associate it with manifest principles.. which in a sense is correct but it doesn't get at the root of the number.
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jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 09:31 am
@brianjakub,
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n629/jerlands/Ba-Gua_animated.gif
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In Daoist creation myth, "The Way gave birth to unity; unity gave birth to duality; duality gave birth to trinity; trinity gave birth to the myriad creatures." (Daodejing, 4th century BCE)[18]
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 09:45 am
@brianjakub,
I think the real difficult notion is how one (1) arose from nothingness and how within one (1) becoming everything was created.
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 10:01 am
@jerlands,
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Let's move on to number 3.

The universe is vast, interconnected and interdependent. That is true on the galactic scale down to each individual system that makes up my body or any other living organism, even every atom.

For that reason I want to make a leap using abductive reasoning like leadfoot pointed out.
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Abductive reasoning (also called abduction,[1] abductive inference,[1] or retroduction[2]) is a form of logical inference which starts with an observation then seeks to find the simplest and most likely explanation. In abductive reasoning, unlike in deductive reasoning, the premises do not guarantee the conclusion.


The reason I am doing this is because the whole universe seems to be so interdependent and entangled, and is following the same physical rules everywhere all the time it is reasonable to assume it is 1 idea from one mind.

So, to understand it, we must look at it as 1 whole and complete system or idea, thought of by one person. Since it is so vast it is almost impossible (at least until it is broken down and better understood) to be contemplated using deductive reasoning.

But there is one rule that doesn't need the universe to be contemplated and that is, "the rule that must be followed when sharing an intelligent idea". (the rule of the Trinity)

1. The idea must be thought up.
2. The idea must be turned into words to prepare it for sharing with some one and then the words must be transferred to the universe and some how stored in the universe so it can be shared with someone else.
3.The idea (which right now is the one idea of the entire universe) must then be properly interpreted in the right spirit (which is the spirit of the person who created the idea), to be understood.

That is how 1 complete idea is represented by process that is made up of 3 separate concepts (1. creation, 2. preparation for sharing, 3. interpreting the idea according to the creator of the idea).

Even if there is no one to share and understand the idea with, the idea is still complete. If you are the first person in the universes to think of an idea anyone you want to share the idea with must logically be inside the idea and part of it that can be separated (at least metaphysically) from the idea so they can understand the idea as an individual person. (multiplication and division becoming integral to sharing and understanding the idea)



jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 10:20 am
@brianjakub,
Don't we form hypothesis then go about proving that? Isn't that abductive reasoning? I think life is purposeful. That there is meaning to life.
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 10:43 am
@jerlands,
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In Daoist creation myth, "The Way gave birth to unity; unity gave birth to duality; duality gave birth to trinity; trinity gave birth to the myriad creatures." (Daodejing, 4th century BCE)[18]
I would say that the idea that the trinity gave birth to a myriad of creatures, is a mirror image of the idea in the bible in Gen 2 (see the bold type)
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7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [f]being. 8 The Lord God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. 9 Out of the ground the Lord God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 Now a river [g]flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four [h]rivers. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it [j]flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is [k]Tigris; it [l]flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the [m]Euphrates.

15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. 16 The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not [n]eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”


18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper [o]suitable for him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the [p]sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the [q]sky, and to every beast of the field, but for [r]Adam there was not found a helper [s]suitable for him.


The conversation (Idea) between God and man gave birth to the myriad of many creatures (properly interpreting the Idea by experiencing it together in a physical way). The ideas discussed and understood in that conversation were recorded and experienced in the names of the animals (the DNA) as they interacted with man. (Sentanta's god botherers) at the Discovery Institute and Natural Evolutionists would choke on that one).

What do you think?
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 11:07 am
@brianjakub,
I don't know.. there are two biblical stories of creation that in my mind illustrate kinda the before and after. The metaphysical part of creation and then the manifestation of that idea. Man being the crown of creation, created in the image and likeness may have been the first conception as we can see in 1/1=1. But.. all things were first created in the becoming of one (1) so.. that is hard to understand. Why? to share? to see oneself? or was there some other reason?
jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 11:13 am
@brianjakub,
Think of DNA.. a twisted pair, rising and falling in a spiraling manner. Time plays an important role it seems.
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jerlands
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 11:35 am
@brianjakub,
brianjakub wrote:

And we are the other to come into being?

This may have been accurate.
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2018 11:54 am
@jerlands,
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I don't know.. there are two biblical stories of creation that in my mind illustrate kinda the before and after. The metaphysical part of creation and then the manifestation of that idea. Man being the crown of creation, created in the image and likeness may have been the first conception as we can see in 1/1=1. But.. all things were first created in the becoming of one (1) so.. that is hard to understand. Why? to share? to see oneself? or was there some other reason?

It's about relativity and frame of reference.

The universe was created perfectly to exist forever. The first story of creation in the bible (Gen 1) tells the story from the creators frame of reference (objective) outside of the universe (perfect and complete).

The second story of the bible tells the story from the frame of reference of someone inside the universe. From somebody experiencing the idea while being part of the process of the idea, and even changing the idea. The neat thing is while living freely inside the idea (subjectively) and, changing the idea sometimes for the worse, we hopefully come to understand the complete "objective idea" and the "creator of the idea" while living in the idea and experiencing it.

Hopefully while we are experiencing the idea, we will try to interpret the idea in the spirit of the creator of the idea. This will allow us to change our frame of reference from subjective to objective.

The interesting thing both stories end in perfection.
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Gen1:31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

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Gen 2:24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. 25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.
 

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