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Evolutionry/religious nonsense

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jan, 2018 06:00 pm
@jerlands,
SiO2 is a FORMULA. An equation would equate the formation of SiO2 (Ill use natures equation since silica is usually formed in super- heated water)

Si + 2H2O --> SiO2 + 2H2



jerlands
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jan, 2018 06:05 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

SiO2 is a FORMULA. An equation would equate the formation of SiO2 (Ill use natures equation since silica is usually formed in super- heated water)

Si + 2H2O --> SiO2 + 2H2


Yes, your right.. including time
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jan, 2018 06:26 pm
@farmerman,
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please let us know what youve got


The work is done. It's in String theory, Entropic Gravity, Quantum Mechancis, Quantum Gravity, Entanglement, Borde, Guth, and Vilenkin’s Past-Finite Universe, Etc . . .

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(Unless your designer is a stupid , ADD one who only loves trying to stamp out life at all turns).


Life is stamped out because of the second law of thermal dynamics. Why wouldn't an Intelligent Designer follow its own laws. (what if he didn't make the Laws but his intelligence emerged from them like you seem to assume ours did). 90 percent of what I learn is from the mistakes I make. Because of the second law some mistakes lead to death.

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(AND DONT KEEP TRYING TO CONFLATE COSMOGENESIS an QUANTUM MECHANICS TO BIOLOGY).


That is where the answer is. And this is why I think so.

Most atoms in the universe appear exactly the same as they did the day they came into existence. (except for ones going through nuclear decay, fission or fusion.) The space inside those atoms are storing information perfectly for billions of years. That means the particles inside those atoms have been moving in virtually the same pattern for billions of years. (That is extreme order for an exrely long time.) But in the space we live in and where these atoms interact the heisenberg uncertainty principle is the rule. (no long term patterns with very limited predictability and the decay due to second law of thermal dynamics is the rule).

Understanding the reason why there is permanance (and I am assuming predictability) in the space inside an atom, and very little permanence and predictability in the space we live in will take us a long way to understanding the Theory of Everything. (and why you and I are dying)

I cannot look for the answer to those questions without TRYING TO CONFLATE COSMOGENESIS an QUANTUM MECHANICS TO BIOLOGY.

https://arxiv.org/abs/0907.1968 That is a great article by a reputable scientist. https://arxiv.org/find/physics/1/au:+Sergi_A/0/1/0/all/0/1

I think I came up with a good explanation, but like you pointed out I was approaching it from an ID Catholic presumption. That means scientists cannot acknowledge my work until I disinfect it back to pure naturalism. That will take me some time to rewrite. Till then here is the very rough draft if you are interested. embeddeddimensions.com

Note, you will have to stomach my initial presumptions, and biases to read it. If you can't do that, all I can say is that work is in process.
brianjakub
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jan, 2018 06:34 pm
@farmerman,
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LAWS NEED TO BE DISCOVERED. e didnt create the phenom by deriving the law.
I imagine that physical laws are universal, but so what? If they vary (due to some "sectoral constant"), we shall have to discover that constant and devise the bases for why they differ for each sector of the galaxy or universe.


Laws are information stored since the beginning of the universe. Back then they were new information. The main difference between the new information I think of today and the Laws of physics are, "when I create something is my information is newer and less permanent".

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Science is silent but not indecipherable
The ancient information in the universe is screaming at us, "decipher me"
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jerlands
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jan, 2018 09:21 pm

brianjakub
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jan, 2018 11:18 pm
@jerlands,
I agree with your choice of music.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 09:45 am
@brianjakub,
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I cannot look for the answer to those questions without TRYING TO CONFLATE COSMOGENESIS an QUANTUM MECHANICS TO BIOLOGY.

I think I know what you mean here but what you are trying to do is called 'Abductive Reasoning', not 'conflation'.
Here's the definition from Wikipedia:

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Abductive reasoning (also called abduction,[1] abductive inference,[1] or retroduction[2]) is a form of logical inference which starts with an observation then seeks to find the simplest and most likely explanation. In abductive reasoning, unlike in deductive reasoning, the premises do not guarantee the conclusion. One can understand abductive reasoning as inference to the best explanation,[3] although not all uses of the terms abduction and inference to the best explanation are exactly equivalent.[4][5]
In the 1990s, as computing power grew, the fields of law,[6] computer science, and artificial intelligence research[7] spurred renewed interest in the subject of abduction.[8] Diagnostic expert systems frequently employ abduction.

Many here probably would not accept it as a valid approach.
jerlands
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 12:39 pm

jerlands
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 02:48 pm
@jerlands,

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jerlands
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 02:52 pm
@brianjakub,
brianjakub wrote:

I agree with your choice of music.

One thing leads to another
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 02:56 pm
@Leadfoot,
no, its conflation. In abductive reasoning you have similitude in substance, in conflation its similitude of words
brianjakub
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 07:17 pm
@farmerman,
Thanks for the input leadfoot.

Cosmogenisis is the process where matter and the laws of physics were established.

Abiogenisis is the process where the rules of evolution of biology by natural selection were established.

Both are similar for these reasons:

They are processes that initiated major changes to the physical universe.

We have no idea how they happened beyond pure speculation.

They both depend entirely upon the laws or rules of Quantum Mechanics and Relativity for their processes to be successful because, Quantum Mechanics and Relativity are the underlying rules these processes must follow for the processes to be maintained long enough to reach fruition.

Here is my question. How can you talk about and understand the evolution of biology by natural selection, abiogenisis, and cosmogenisis without talking about how the underlying rules in the universe initiated those processes and are still guiding them today?

It seems to me that to understand the initiation and the evolution of the universe and biology we first must understand the physical processes that cause gravity and the nuclear forces to emerge from the physical universe. And when I say understand I mean draw a picture of how space and matter interact to give us relativity and quantum mechanics. Experiencing the picture is true understanding.
jerlands
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 07:27 pm
@brianjakub,
brianjakub wrote:

I mean draw a picture of how space and matter interact to give us relativity and quantum mechanics.

If I understand correctly... how are we going to do this without understanding what lies within space? This is similar to understanding the genome without understanding genetic dark matter (the apparent non-encoding structure?)
brianjakub
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 08:10 pm
@jerlands,
We have a lot of data from experiments with particle accelerator, Bose Einstien condensates, Gravitational lensing, black holes, dark matter, dark energy Holographs etc. . . We have looked at the space time continuum and matter from so many different points of view and interpreted the data in so many different ways, how could we not tie it all together into a coherent picture. It just takes a little creative imagination.

Its easier to explain why a plane has lift if you have a picture of a wing rather than equations describing the hydraulics and lift created by the airflow around the wing. It's nearly impossible with just the math. The thing about air though is we can see and sense it. We can't sense empty space but we can see light flow around matter in an eclipse. There is something there that has structure and structure means particles or pilot waves arranged in a specific way. We just need to figure out how they are arranged in empty space away from gravitational lensing. The pattern built in the structure of empty space must be very simple and is the same everywhere. A little less complex than the genetic code.
jerlands
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 09:10 pm
@brianjakub,
Well, whatever it is in space seems to surround our environment and all other environments. Some theories suggest plasma?
brianjakub
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 09:14 pm
@jerlands,
I believe a quantized, entangled and highly ordered plasma. (That is ordered in empty space where there is no interference with matter),
jerlands
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 09:52 pm
@brianjakub,
brianjakub wrote:

I believe a quantized, entangled and highly ordered plasma. (That is ordered in empty space where there is no interference with matter),

I suggested matter as we observe it (planets, stars, galaxies) is surrounded by plasma but it may be this matter actually swims in it. sorta like blood plasma.
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jerlands
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2018 10:11 pm
@brianjakub,
A question that comes to mind is whether or not this plasma might carry information?
brianjakub
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 07:41 am
@jerlands,
I believe (and I think I can prove it) every piece of space is made up of pilot waves that look like something similar to 1/2 of a hydrogen atom entangled in a matrix. This is what I imagine what the pattern of the higgs field looks like if you are interested. see page 14 embeddeddimensions.com
jerlands
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2018 12:29 pm
@brianjakub,
brianjakub wrote:

I believe (and I think I can prove it) every piece of space is made up of pilot waves that look like something similar to 1/2 of a hydrogen atom entangled in a matrix. This is what I imagine what the pattern of the higgs field looks like if you are interested. see page 14 embeddeddimensions.com

Well, I think my truth is I'm not going to prove anything outside of reason. I've heard it said that physics isn't math. That physics has more to do with contemplation than number.
 

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