@farmerman,
Quote:IDers say they have successfully satisified a NON THEISTIC process. In order to get there, I read that youve adopted my " chemicals in response to laws of Chem, Physics nd eventually biology" pronouncement .
Im ok with that. Algorithms require a designer as a step function we dont see that happening in any of the evidence or DNA or the fossil record. AND therefore, since its kinda irrational to research the existence of "algorithms", its basically nonexistent to me and most of science .
So, laws like abiogenis, don't require a designer.
How do you know that? What pattern are you comparing that to?
Quote:Physical law
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This article is about the philosophy of scientific laws. For the scientific and mathematical aspects, see Laws of science.
A physical law or scientific law is a theoretical statement "inferred from particular facts, applicable to a defined group or class of phenomena, and expressible by the statement that a particular phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions be present."[1] Physical laws are typically conclusions based on repeated scientific experiments and observations over many years and which have become accepted universally within the scientific community. The production of a summary description of our environment in the form of such laws is a fundamental aim of science. These terms are not used the same way by all authors.
Physical laws are universal. That means we are assuming they are the same everywhere in the universe, without being able to test them everywhere in the universe.
You must imagine the universe from an objective frame of reference to do that and assume that it is a fact from our subjective point of view. I think that is a logical assumption and I am willing to take it on faith that it is true, since I can only imagine the part of the universe I am not measuring is the same because of a pattern of consistent measurment.
The problem is all patterns contain information, and all new modern information in the universe is being introduced by intelligence or is the result of a preexisting law. It appears that the difference between a law and an algorithm is that a law is so old it is very hard to determine the identity of the intelligence that organized the information into a pattern to establish the law.
Were there laws of physics in existence before matter and space were quantisized for quantum mechanics and gravity to be established?
If not, how were particles ordered into matter without laws, if matter is necessary for the laws to emerge?
Do you feel a need to answer that question?