Me Too

“Hands” Trudeau has the funniest response to his groping allegations:
Justin Trudeau about groping claim from 18 years ago: “I don't remember any negative interactions that day.”

Putting that lovely Clintonesque spin on a Reagan standard.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/07/02/americas/justin-trudeau-groping-allegations/

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@Lash,

This is intolerable! Trudeau needs to be severely punished. Let's apply the toughest law there is: the Talion Law.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Therefore, Justin Trudeau shall get inappropriatly touched by a 20-someting of the opposite gender, and then forced to hear her confused apology.

That should teach him!

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@Olivier5,

There aren't very many famous men left who haven't been accused of "inappropriately handling" a woman. I have an idea..... let's play "#MeToo Bingo.

We will arrange the remaining men (such as Jon Stewart, and Barack Obama) on cards. Every time a new man is accused, you can cross off the square until you get a bingo.

Who's in?

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@maxdancona,

I wouldn't want to make fun of bona fide metoo cases nor of these despicable political manipulations of it. This is often serious and sad stuff, even if occasionally ridiculous and funny, like in this case.

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The response is prime. I particularly liked the addition of ‘that day’.

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@Lash,

I wonder how many times his sexual parts were gropped.

Me? Twice: once in the front, once in the back. But I'm cuter than he is... ;-)

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Tarana Burke says it as it is.

Quote:

Is #MeToo Too Big?

Tarana Burke, the movement’s founder, wants it to return to its original—and specific—purpose: to serve as a counter to sexual violence.

MEGAN GARBER, THE ATLANTIC

[..] “Part of the challenge that we have right now,” Burke said, “is everybody trying to couch everything under #MeToo.” [...]

“We’ve been busy talking about the individuals,” Burke said, “and we’ve been busy talking about the predators and the backlash, and all these other issues.” In that mix, sexual violence itself has been treated as a crucial thing, but also as merely one thing of the many that live under #MeToo’s vast umbrella. That is a category error, Burke suggested. “What happened on October 15 was a tweet that went out that said, ‘If you have been sexually assaulted or harassed, say, “Me too,”’ she said. “And I’m telling you that I’ve talked to these people—hundreds of people, and if you count online and offline, it’s probably thousands—and they are in pain. And they’re trying to find some kind of recourse for what they’re dealing with around sexual violence.”

[...] “I do get it, don’t get me wrong,” Burke said, of the tendency to conflate. “I understand the reason why people want to do it. If they can get it out there, and people will pay attention if you throw a hashtag on it: Fine. I get that.” But “since we are at a festival about creativity,” she said, “this is about us not being imaginative enough.” People are simply taking the infrastructure that already exists—#MeToo, the movement and the hashtag—and appending additional ideas to it. They are, in that, asking too much of #MeToo, Burke suggested. They are weighing it down with the inevitable freight of hope and expectation.

And all that is, in turn, making it harder for the original goal—the prevention of sexual violence, a massive challenge in its own right—to be realized. “What I’m saying is that, as a person who’s doing the work, and knows other people who are doing this work, it’s hurtful to us,” Burke said. “It is hurting the work we’re trying to do. Because you can’t cover so much, and so many things. And sexual violence is wide enough.” [...]

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/07/is-metoo-too-big/564275/

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Tarana Burke says it as it is.

Quote:
Is #MeToo Too Big?

Tarana Burke, the movement’s founder, wants it to return to its original—and specific—purpose: to serve as a counter to sexual violence.

MEGAN GARBER, THE ATLANTIC

[..] “Part of the challenge that we have right now,” Burke said, “is everybody trying to couch everything under #MeToo.” [...]

“We’ve been busy talking about the individuals,” Burke said, “and we’ve been busy talking about the predators and the backlash, and all these other issues.”

yup

not so interested in the predators or the backlash

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@ehBeth,

It's also ineffective to mix all these issues under the same movement. It creates confusion, dilutes the conversation, leads to endless disputes and misunderstanding. It doesn't help anyone. Burke is right: #metoo is about sexual violence; realizing the extent of the problem; helping victims heal; and fighting against this systemic injustice. It's not about whining that "all men are pigs" nor the sexual lives of celebrities nor digging dirt on Justin Trudeau or Carl Sargeant for political motives.

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@Olivier5,

In fact, that's exactly what someone wanting to sink the movement would do: broaden the conversation so much that it becomes about everything and nothing.

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@Olivier5,

There is no backlash because none is needed. The #MeToo movement has fizzled and no one cares any more outside of the true believers.

It is sad, because a real discussion about sexual violence would be a good thing.

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I keep wondering where the first round of guys are. I saw Louis CK on Parks and Rec yesterday and remembered how much I liked him—although I was a bit creeped out about some stuff he said about his daughters in his stand up—

Are these guys all cooped up in a unibomber cabin somewhere?

New charges against Spacey this week.

I think Aziz Ansari should’ve sued his accuser for revenge porn.

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Edgar's attempt to have a discussion on sexual abuse was hijacked almost immediately. As soon as one person shared a story of rape or the usual suspects turned up to complain why aren't we mentioning assault against men by women. I think it was painfully clear that everything was on the table, but some just couldn't see this as anything other than a feminist man-bashing party.

It didn't take very long before most of there actual women dropped out of the discussion and only men remained to 'not' share any MeToo stories.

Sure, every once in a great while, one or two of the women will make a remark......But it was obvious early on that Edgar's effort to start a conversation was going no where. But not because the issue is past it's prime, it's because of the self appointed conversation stoppers.

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@maxdancona,

Sounds like wishful thinking.

A lot of the reports that seemed to put a resounding kybosh on several careers were violence.

Others weren’t; some looked like lame self-promotion.

I have to admit a bit of ambivalence toward some of the women who continued relationships with their ‘abusers’, but the movement has been long overdue and remains important to womankind.

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@Lash,

I think Louis CK will come back pretty soon. I will be first in line to buy tickets.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I think Aziz Ansari should’ve sued his accuser for revenge porn.

Sued maybe not but he should have pushed back in the media, certainly. So far the only one who's done so successfuly is Junot Diaz. Good for him.

Whether they realize it or not, women can't win this one by themselves, and even if they could, there would remain the issue of sexual violence on men (either by men or women). So this needs to be a bi-gender struggle. Junot Diaz is (was?) an ally. Carl Sargeant was an ally. Ansari too. Asking for total sexual purity from your allies is ridiculous. It's the besst way to make the Max of this world right, that this is just an anti-male cabal.

Damn the priviledged, affluent, often white and young women who ride this stuff for their own career and visibility, making it about them instead of about real victims, and yelling memememeeeeeeeeeeee(too)! Damn the politicians who used it to shoot down adversaries (generally on the left, cause the right doesn't care quite as much). Damn the cretins who buy into these diversions and lose the plot.

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@Olivier5,

Well GeeWhiz, maybe your right. Those of us raped while younger should have parlayed this to a massive success in our careers. Question during job interview: What do you think is your best quality....Answer, I have been molested by men in power and in order to be a good sport, I kept my mouth shut.

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@glitterbag,

If you've been raped, you're a victim of sexual violence, and it's perfectly legitimate and useful to talk about it, under the hashtag or otherwise.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

It's the besst way to make the Max of this world right, that this is just an anti-male cabal.

The Maxes of this world are already right. Attempting to make them right would be an unnecessary redundancy.

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@oralloy,

The movement that Burke founded is about healing for sexual violence survivors through catharsis, breaking the silence and isolation of victims. The hashtag was launched to give a sense of the magnitude of the problem. None of that is about hatred of men.

As far as I am concerned, a bunch of millennials whining hysterically about men on social media can't change that. Granted that most people can't see the difference, which is sad.

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