Diversity of Everything but Thought

Then Blatham, this discussion and all others with you is ended. Rather than show me the error in my conclusion, you again choose to attack me personally. But when you can't support your own opinion, that's all you have isn't it. Oh well. I'll move on. All the best to you.

... You were shown the error of both your logic and conclusions a Hundred pages ago, if not more. ... Cycloptichorn

Horowitz's love of diversity is clearly evidenced within the sites and organizations he has set up. Absolutely NO voice that is remotely left makes any appearance at all. That's because Horowitz is sincere about diversity of ideas. ...

...Vote early, vote often, voete Kucinich.

After reading this entire thread, which was not easy as it goes on forever, I find Fox and three or four others right on target, and their main critics to be just that. Critics but with no balls at all.

blatham wrote:

Horowitz's love of diversity is clearly evidenced within the sites and organizations he has set up. Absolutely NO voice that is remotely left makes any appearance at all. That's because Horowitz is sincere about diversity of ideas. ...

Let me try to put your argument into an objective form that I can understand.

Can we both agree that H thinks college professors emphasize the L point of view far more than the R point of view?
He may think it, but that's irrelevant. There is no evidence to this claim other than anecdotal evidence which is more than matched by converse evidence (if a student experiences it once, say, then quite aside from us having full details to hand (as a jury or judge would need, to suss out the facts) is the obvious correlative fact that that person has had hundreds or thousands of interactions with professors where it DIDN'T happen. Do you get that?

And aside from all of that, political issues simply do not impinge on most university subjects and classes. Check any university calendar for course offering and consider what a kinesiology professor would ever be doing talking politics.

Can we both agree that H thinks that by giving the R point of view equal emphasis with the L point of view, college teaching will be more diverse?
He may think that, probably he does, but it isn't certain. It's not possible to know for sure because of the way Horowitz operates. Regardless of whether Horowitz blames the 'left' for using deceitful techniques to convince people of things that are not so, he has adopted those techniques himself. That's absolutely clear by what he says, not to mention what he does. So he cannot be trusted to forward truths or balance. His own extremism, from early days through to now, pull the rug out from under him. He may well say something which is true, but the truth of it would have to be ascertained some other way.

If we can agree on that, then what would you advocate H do at the present time if you agreed with H?

1. Should H work hard to increase emphasis on the L point of view?

2. Should H work hard to increase emphasis on the R point of view?

3. Should H work hard to make the emphasis on the L and R points of view equal?

At the present time, in what way does 3 differ from 2?

Do you agree that H has at the present time selected 2?

In what way does H's selection of 2 at the present time imply H is seeking to cause college professors to emphasize the R point of view to the exclusion of the L point of view so as to not achieve diversity, but actually to achieve exclusivity?

The mechanics are in place at every university already (though for sure they could be jacked up in some) to police biased marking, dogmatism passing for education, etc. Notions of open-mindedness and diversity of opinion are very highly valued in every university setting I've been involved in. Indoctrination isn't well thought of, it's actually quite despised. Horowitz is far more of a political creature than any prof I ever had or any student I ever studied with. And he is certainly more singular minded as to what constitutes proper political ideas. If you would want anyone to do this task, he's just about the worst possible choice. He manifests no love of viewpoint balance in anything he does. He is singularly and specifically and totally out to forward a conservative viewpoint - his mission statement says that.

So if you think there is a problem at university, find a wise old judge and put him to the task. Tell Horowitz to go fly a cow.[/[/color]quote]

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duplicate post....just an abbreviation, rather like when I refer to you as "fff'

Then Blatham, this discussion and all others with you is ended. Rather than show me the error in my conclusion, you again choose to attack me personally. But when you can't support your own opinion, that's all you have isn't it. Oh well. I'll move on. All the best to you.

I lost a bet to Fox not too long ago. She warned me that there were people here who could not have a discussion without using insulting speech and insulting those they despise. I was certain that if people were civil, it would generate civility. Obviously I was wrong.