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Diversity of Everything but Thought

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:12 pm
Christalmighty . . . it's like pullin' teeth without an anesthetic . . .
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:28 pm
"Disparity" in this context is the antonym to 'parity' of points of view. In this case, it occurs when students are given only the liberal point of view or when the liberal point of view is the only point of view that will be judged acceptable to the professor.

This article explains it more completely though it is not focused on a disparity of diversity of thought but rather focuses on differeent disparities.

http://nesis.easynet.fr/Documents/Indicators%20of%20Education%20Disparity.doc

And the sentence makes perfect sense if you include the initial reference "The Left. . ." as shown on my original post, and when it is included within the context of the thread.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:31 pm
No it doesn't. With whose points of view are you alleging that diversity of thought on major college campuses is disparate?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:34 pm
Start with the thread starter and work your way through the thread Setanta. There are many posts provding the "who" along with me and a few other brave souls who have dared to weigh in on the conservative side of this isue.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:39 pm
Allow me to 'splain this a little more for you, Fox. You wish to substitute a concept of parity? Fine, we'll do that. Therefore, your core statement still lacks an explanation of with what diversity of thought on major college campuses fails to achieve parity. Throwing out the term "points of view" hasn't helped the situaton at all. "Points of view" and "diverity of thought" are not correlative concepts. You have done a wonderful job at grasping for linguistic straws, but you have failed utterly to establish the nature of the disparity, or as you now prefer, the lack of parity, of diversity of thought on major college campuses, because you haven't related the diversity of thought to an equivalent value elsewhere. Points of view doesn't work, because those are simply the consituent parts of diversity of thought. I could help you out really fast with this, and suggest to you what it is that i believe you are trying to say.


However, as you seem to have tied the slip knot with the thirteen loops and thrown the rope over the rafter, i'm happy to watch you hang yourself.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:40 pm
Setanta wrote:
I see no points having been made in this thread, simply groundless accusations that universities and the broadcast media are dominated by "liberals." As not a shred of reliable evidence has been adduced in support of such a contention, there are no points to review.


Journalists and college professors admitted their political parties, who they donated money to, and how they voted.

If you discredit their own words, I fail to see why anyone would debate with you.

These two powerful fields are closed out to anyone who doesn't espouse liberal politics. That will end soon.

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With whose points of view are you alleging that diversity of thought on major college campuses is disparate?


With anyone in the Democrat party or to their left. Those people are represented on college campuses 25 to 1...10 to 1, 16 to 1... I don't understand how anyone can support that ratio. College campuses and news agencies are monolithic repositories where groupthink prevails. It isn't good for anyone. It creates herds of unthinking people in positions of power. Diversity is needed to make us think for ourselves, and give us options.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:43 pm
Jeeze, it still doesn't sink in, does it? Diversity of thought and points of view are not equivalent concepts. I guess i'll have to tip you to this one so you can understand what you are failing to argue. The lack of parity which you allege would have to be between diversity of thought on major college campuses, and diversity of thought somewhere else. So, for example, if i were a compassionate and considerate man (which i am not), i would suggest to you that you might rework your statement so as to allege that there is less diversity of thought on major college campuses than there is in the public forum. That would tie up your embarrassing loose end quite nicely, although you'd be right back to square one, and be obliged to offer proof that this is the case.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:47 pm
set

They need easy answers. They have one. They're happier this way.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 05:50 pm
Lash wrote:
Journalists and college professors admitted their political parties, who they donated money to, and how they voted.

If you discredit their own words, I fail to see why anyone would debate with you.


Then give up your feeble effort at debate. You gotta a representative sample there to offer, Lash? Can you state to a certainty exactly how many members of journalistic professions, and higher education professions have 'fessed up to being vile liberals, and what proportion of the entire population of both fields that represents? Because unless and until you do, you haven't made a case at all.

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These two powerful fields are closed out to anyone who doesn't espouse liberal politics. That will end soon.


This is an allegation without foundation, for which you offer no evidence, and for which no participant in this thread has yet offered compelling evidence.

Lashe wrote:
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With whose points of view are you alleging that diversity of thought on major college campuses is disparate?


With anyone other than the Democrat and left to the Democrat party. College campuses and news agencies are monolithic repositories where groupthink prevails. Inbreeding. It isn't good for anyone. They admit to the numbers. Why can't you?


You don't understand Fox's linguistic pitfall any better than Fox does, do you?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:03 pm
Until they are willing to at least read the data provided, there isn't much point in trying to convince those who honestly can't see a disparity in diversity of thought, Lash.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:03 pm
I didn't think it necessary to make issue of what should be a given.

But, I'm sure that was nice in a condescending, but Setanta - helpful kind of way.

<conflicted about emoticon...>
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:04 pm
Until you understand how to use the word disparity in the context you have provided yourself, your statements on the subject continue to be gobble-de-gook.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:13 pm
Well I gave you a link to a fairly scholarly essay so you could understand the definition within the context of this thread. But the words were pretty big in the essay, so that could be a problem. What to do. We either make it too easy or too difficult for the undiverse liberal mind to grasp?

Oh well, I tried. And I don't care to debate via insult so will look for friendlier fodder.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:24 pm
It is no insult to point out to you that your core statement contains an incomplete comparison. You always contend that you have been insulted whenever i point out to you that what you have written is incoherent.

When what you write does not make sense, that does not make your interlocutors stupid because they fail to make sense of it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:29 pm
I'll run it down for you one more time, Fox. You have stated that there is a disparity of diversity of thought on major college campuses. That is an incomplete statement, because you do not compare diversity of thought on college campuses to diversity of thought anywhere else. You are the one responsible for the locution "on major college campuses" in your statement, therefore, you have introduced the necessity for a locational comparison in the statement. Unless and until you compare diversity of though on college campuses with diversity of thought somewhere other than college campuses, your statement is not complete, and lacks coherence. Don't refer me to some article you linked, you started the thread, this is your argument, and it is your responsiblity to state the argument clearly and coherently.

You have failed to do that.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 06:56 pm
Hmmm. It is cold in the room. I can't say that because I'm not comparing the temperature of the room to temperature anywhere else? It isn't enough that I am uncomfortable when I make the observation?

Setanta is given to snottiness when he disagrees with someone. I can't say that because I don't compare the degree of snottiness with posts from other members making snotty statements? (Analogy only) Do you feel constrained to compare my degree of obtuseness as you see it with others in order to make a statement?

The preponderance of the evidence presented thus far is that a) liberal/leftish/Democrat registered and voting faculty outnumber conservative/rightish/Republican registered and voting faculty by a huge majority and many conservative faculty and students have found their particular point of view unwelcome on campus and that is both uncomfortable and unsatisfactory for them. Why must that be compared with anything else to conclude that there is a disparity?

You're stretching way too far to find a rationale to disagree here.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 07:19 pm
I mean, REALLY!

A given!

If we were DOING the study, and proving it with statistics for scholarly review...OK.

If anyone else here had ever come remotely close to doing anything close to that, you may have a moral point.

HOWEVER!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 07:39 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Hmmm. It is cold in the room. I can't say that because I'm not comparing the temperature of the room to temperature anywhere else?


You're comparing it to your expectations. At any event, you did not allege that there exists a lack of parity in the room temperature, at which point it would be appropriate to query your point of comparison.

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It isn't enough that I am uncomfortable when I make the observation?


Your subjective sense of comfort is not relevant to a discussion of your continuing failure to provide a corollary of contrast for the locution: "diversity of thought on major college campuses."

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Setanta is given to snottiness when he disagrees with someone. I can't say that because I don't compare the degree of snottiness with posts from other members making snotty statements? (Analogy only) Do you feel constrained to compare my degree of obtuseness as you see it with others in order to make a statement?


Oh no, my statements of your obtuse nature, and the opacity of your understanding of language and logic are of an absolute character--comparison is inappropriate. However, this paragraph does make me despair that Europeans will continue to allege, with great justification, that Americans lack a sense of irony.

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The preponderance of the evidence presented thus far is that a) liberal/leftish/Democrat registered and voting faculty outnumber conservative/rightish/Republican registered and voting faculty by a huge majority and many conservative faculty and students have found their particular point of view unwelcome on campus and that is both uncomfortable and unsatisfactory for them.


This statement is absolutely untrue. For evidence to be perponderant, it must be first proven, and second, compelling. No evidence of that character has been presented, and all the "evidence" which has been presented, has been shot down on the grounds that it is either anectdotal, or lacks points of references and quantification to make it meaningful. I am not saying that no such evidence exists, i am just pointing out that no such evidence has been presented here.

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Why must that be compared with anything else to conclude that there is a disparity?


The alleged evidence is not being compared to something else, the diversity of thought on major college campuses needs to be compared to something else. If you do not complete that comparison, your statement lacks completion and coherence. By using the expression "diversity of thought on major college campuses," you are begging a comparison with diversity of thought somewhere other than major college campuses. But you continue to fail to provide that comparison. Therefore, you statement is incomplete, and incoherent.

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You're stretching way too far to find a rationale to disagree here.


Oh, no stretch at all--you make it almost embarrassingly easy.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 08:15 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
...disparity in diversity of thought...

Do you mean a lack of diversity of thought? As in... homogenous thought?

There is a disparity between the ratio of liberal professors to conservative professors and the ratio of liberals to conservatives in the general population.

You have been arguing that this eliminates diversity of thought, although I do not agree with it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2005 08:17 pm
Actually, DD, that is one of two contentions which could be cobbled out of Fox's statement, if one were to make the effort to salvage it.

But i'll be damned if i'll make her argument for her, just because she seems unwilling or unable to state it coherently.
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