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Diversity of Everything but Thought

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 05:50 pm
Magus wrote:
"Do whatever works, wherever it works"...
That's the kind of logic (devoid of moral or ethical influence) which justified the Konzentrationslager.

If not done morally and ethically it won't work anywhere any time.
The concentration camps didn't work because they broke people instead of fixed people: that is, their goal wasn't a pragmatic effort to make people "the best they can be;" it was a pragmatic effort to destroy people. A broken system breaks people. A fixed system fixes people. The nazi system was a broken system: broken in objective, broken in method, broken in morals, and broken in ethics.

But you knew all that, didn't you? Rolling Eyes
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2005 07:15 am
ican711nm wrote:
revel wrote:
Ican

I took a break after writing this and I thought about what you said and realized that once again I have let my fears of what others will do blind me to rationality when it comes to these sorts of issues. I think I have been reading too many liberal conspiracy theories. I get a germ of an idea and run a mile with it until it is all stretched out of shape. (I am also a bit bi polar and sometimes I get carried away) What I am trying to say is that you were right I was out of line with my previous post and I shouldnt have tried to defend it with my second.

Thank you. I respect you for both of these last two posts of yours. How shall I put this? When mining for gold one should expect a lot of scrabble. Your gold has more than made up for your scrabble. I hope mine does too. Smile


On nearly every issue under the sun chances are we won't see it the same, but I have long thought that you have good intentions and respect you and some others that are on "your side" as well. So, yea, your gold makes up for your scrabble too. (orginal saying)
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jan, 2005 06:05 pm
related topic:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43314&highlight=
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 02:24 pm
David Cowan takes a stab at explaining why conservatives see a liberal bias in academia.

Professor Larry Summers (Harvard) who proposed the possibility that a inherent (scientific) difference between men and women could explain why men seem to out perform women in math and some of the sciences will be denied First Amendment rights by his academic peers.

Professor Ward Churchill (U of Colorado) is receiving collegiate support from his peers when he reported a comparison between the Nazi mentality and victims of the 9/11 attack.

Bias in ivory towers
By David Cowan

It seems that liberals are confused about why conservatives care so deeply about what goes on in the groves of academe. They do not get why conservatives are very vocal about political bias in the classroom, which is combined with lessons in everything from anthropology through to zoology.

2005 is proving already to be something of a vintage in this respect. First, we had the debacle over comments offered by Larry Summers at Harvard on women in science. Now we have a Colorado professor, Ward Churchill, hopefully no relation to the great statesman Winston Churchill, who wrote an essay comparing those who died in the horror of September 11 with the Nazis who perpetrated the Holocaust.

Liberals are confused about these skirmishes as well, and do not see any contradiction between their condemnation of Mr. Summers on the one hand, and their collegial support for the professor on the other. Mr. Summers is to be forbidden the defense of First Amendment rights, though he was positing an idea for intellectual debate in the best traditions of liberal academia. Meanwhile, our erstwhile professor is to have full access to the First Amendment defense for making insulting remarks in a third-rate essay.

Though perhaps not highbrow enough for his university's reading lists, the Dr. Doolittle novels featured something called the Push-me Pull-you animal. This confusing animal had a head at two ends and couldn't always decide which way to go. So he always seemed to be going in two different directions. Sound familiar?

In the debate raging across campuses up and down the country, this animal is often seen in human guise. The absurdity of academics jumping to the defense of the professor is that it now seems intellectually acceptable to call American people Nazis, but please do not call them Christians. The theological point is closer to the truth, that we all bear the fault of sin.

However, while we retain our sinful nature, we may turn to God in a denial of sin and evil. The Americans who died September 11 were no doubt true to the nature of being American, namely a people that deny a place for evil in our society and in the world. Those who killed them did so with evil intent and evil result, but out of the ashes of this assault on what is good came a crystallization of what evil is in fact.

When President Reagan talked about Russia as the evil empire back in the 1980s, no doubt the professor was in the back row sniggering. Perhaps Mr. Reagan's rhetoric had too much that was abstract for some. When President Bush talked about evil in the wake of September 11, he meant it and we saw it, and we saw what evil men can do.

Of course, evil is one of those embarrassing words that secularists, and many liberals, like to dismiss. It is an embarrassing four-letter word that causes more distress to them than some other four letter words that we prefer not to hear in polite company.

Like Humpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland, evil is a word that means just what it says it means, neither more nor less. Certainly, there is much to be said for a balance of ideas and opinions, and we should freely express our understanding in order to test our ideas against other opinions. The problem occurs when this process gets narrowed down to a politically acceptable set of biased views, and where disagreement is fine so long as you agree on the boundaries of what is disagreeable. In this scheme of things, many conservative and religious views are considered to be beyond the boundary.

So, here's the beef conservatives have. They care deeply that much of what is taught in universities, colleges and schools across the country is not reflective of America, nor is it intellectually rigorous. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that the young students of today are being taught by the young students of yesterday, and they in turn will teach the young students of tomorrow. The system becomes self-perpetuating, with many academics having little exposure to the realities of the outside world. This enables them to entertain the most fantastical propositions, apparently without the need to test them empirically against how the world actually works.

George Orwell put it best when he explained that there are some ideas so idiotic that only intellectuals would believe them. Well, the professor has certainly proven the point.

David Cowan holds two degrees in theology from Oxford University, and is a former Lutheran chaplain to students in Cambridge, England.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050203-094808-8377r.htm
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 12:42 pm
Quote:
Roger and me
Mike S. Adams
February 8, 2005

Hi Roger! As you may know, I often post my responses to hate mail like yours on my website, http://www.DrAdams.org. You may also know that the responses are often curt and sarcastic. But, Roger, since your intellectual prowess was so obvious from the opening line of your missive, I feel obligated to give you a more thoughtful response.

I trust you are telling the truth when you say you have never been as offended as you were after you saw my appearance on Fox News' Heartland (with John Kasich) on Saturday night. Your statement that my "attack on moral relativism" was "completely unacceptable" and demonstrated that I am nothing but a "racist," a "sexist," a "homophobe," and "mentally unstable" was convincing. You have clearly shown your commitment to moral relativism by refusing to judge me in any way. I thank you for your intellectual honesty.

Having done hours of research on the performing arts yesterday, I now realize that I was wrong to judge a graduate student at UCLA for bringing a loaded gun into his performing arts class and playing Russian roulette in front of the audience. I was also wrong to judge him for firing a bullet from the gun after his successful skit. I say "successful" because he was not killed after he put the gun to his temple and pulled the trigger.

Since offending you with my ill-considered statements, I have also learned where this UCLA graduate student may have gotten the idea to play Russian roulette in front of his classmates. It seems that his professor, an HIV-positive gay man, once cut himself open and bled (HIV-positive blood flowing from one of his tattoos) in front of a live audience. Another UCLA professor once allowed himself to be shot in the arm with a rifle in an art gallery as a means of "artistic expression."

Clearly, I have underestimated the importance of sado-masochism in higher education. And I am certainly impressed with UCLA as an institution of higher learning. In fact, that is where I want to send my children for an education.

Speaking of sending your kids to college, I noticed that you said you would never send your kids to my university (UNC-Wilmington) because of my opposition to firing loaded weapons in the classroom. I believe you said that I was too "close-minded." Of course, you are free to assume that the other 400 professors at my school favor the display and firing of weapons in class as a means of "artistic expression." You are also free to set your goals high by refusing to tolerate any school where less than 100% of the faculty "tolerates" the use of loaded weapons in class. None of that upsets me.

What really upsets me is that your children will not be attending our fine university. With the help of your genes, both of your kids promise to be intellectual giants. Your assertion that I would have burned Michelangelo at the stake if he were still alive was evidence of your powerful logical ability. Everyone I have ever known who opposed the use of firearms in the classroom also harbored a secret desire to burn famous artists at the stake. There is no leap of logic in your message, whatsoever.

In order to undo the damage I may have done (and, hopefully, to lure your genius children to my university) I wish to offer a formal apology. But that isn't all. I am going to back up my words with actions by refusing to judge my students at all. For example, I am going to stop grading my students and just give everyone an "A" at the beginning of the semester. I am even going to allow students to use firearms during class speeches and presentations. My students will not be limited to pointing the firearms at themselves. I will also let them point them at others. UCLA has nothing on me!

Put simply, I plan to conform to the culture of higher education by refusing to make any moral judgments whatsoever. I will no longer demand that the UCLA student be expelled for his recent "artistic performance." I will also tear up my next article on the theft of cadavers from the UCLA medical school. If people like to steal dead bodies to sell on the black market then I say "more power to them!" Give me diversity or give me death!

It really is liberating to reject the notion of absolute standards absolutely. I think I'll celebrate by driving home on the left hand side of the road. You should do the same, Roger. A few people may die, but at least you'll be making an artistic statement. That's all that really matters.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 02:00 pm
You guys are really going to try to play this card again?

This, from Cowan
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So, here's the beef conservatives have. They care deeply that much of what is taught in universities, colleges and schools across the country is not reflective of America, nor is it intellectually rigorous. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that the young students of today are being taught by the young students of yesterday, and they in turn will teach the young students of tomorrow. The system becomes self-perpetuating, with many academics having little exposure to the realities of the outside world. This enables them to entertain the most fantastical propositions, apparently without the need to test them empirically against how the world actually works.


Mr. Cowan, with his degree or two from Oxford, and his career teaching Islam and theology at Cambridge is different precisely how from what he indicts?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:51 pm
There are some nutjobs teaching? Oooooohhhhh noooooooooo!!!!

Better replace the whole system!

(Can we do the same with our political system?)
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 03:59 pm
No, but rest assured that some would like to replace our judicial system using the same reasoning. Watch out for the nutty professors and the activist judges.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 04:34 pm
blatham wrote:
Mr. Cowan, with his degree or two from Oxford, and his career teaching Islam and theology at Cambridge is different precisely how from what he indicts?


Perspective?
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 05:05 pm
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 05:36 pm
Speaking of perspective:

Republican Gov. Owens says Professor Must Go

Also Tuesday, the college in upstate New York where Churchill was scheduled to speak Thursday cancelled his appearance amid security concerns.

Churchill had been slated to be part of a panel discussion at Hamilton College, a small liberal arts college in Clinton, N.Y., speaking on the topic, "Limits of Dissent."

But controversy over an essay in which he said the United States invited the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks through a long history of violent domination of other cultures - and comparing the victims to "little Eichmanns" who were not blame-free - turned into an avalanche of angry reaction not just on the CU campus but across the country.

Violent threats against Churchill, panelists and Hamilton administrators prompted Hamilton President Joan Hinde Stewart on Tuesday morning to announce cancellation of the whole panel "in the interest of protecting those at risk."

"There were threats against our president, there was a threat that someone was going to bring a gun to the panel discussion, there was a threat that someone was going to 'move' our campus, whatever that means," said Hamilton spokeswoman Vige Barrie.

"There were over 100 threats" against Churchill, the Hamilton president and others, Barrie said. All the threats were turned over to the Kirkland, N.Y., police department.

Churchill told his students Tuesday that people making threats against him in the name of Sept. 11 victims and their families are proving his initial thesis; that people who feel they are being victimized and degraded will naturally respond with terrorism and violence.

"The dynamic is exactly the same. So they've proved my point," Churchill said.

As recently as Sunday, Hamilton's president had insisted the panel discussion would go on as scheduled, citing the importance of preserving people's rights to free speech.

For many people, including a Hamilton sophomore whose father died in the World Trade Center attack and Colorado's governor, even with free speech there can be too much of a good thing.

(Yes, indeed. I believe Bush said that himself back in 1999.)


And, exactly WHO is removed from reality?

In Omaha on Friday, a divorced single mother named Mary Mornin tells the president, "I have one child, Robbie, who is mentally challenged, and I have two daughters."

"Fantastic," the president exclaims, and he tells her she has "the hardest job in America, being a single mom."

Later, the 57-year old Mornin tells Bush that she works three jobs, which the president deems "uniquely American" and "fantastic." He asks her if she gets any sleep.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 07:06 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
Mr. Cowan, with his degree or two from Oxford, and his career teaching Islam and theology at Cambridge is different precisely how from what he indicts?


Perspective?


Gained how?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 11:07 am
Squinney wrote:
And, exactly WHO is removed from reality?

In Omaha on Friday, a divorced single mother named Mary Mornin tells the president, "I have one child, Robbie, who is mentally challenged, and I have two daughters."

"Fantastic," the president exclaims, and he tells her she has "the hardest job in America, being a single mom."

Later, the 57-year old Mornin tells Bush that she works three jobs, which the president deems "uniquely American" and "fantastic." He asks her if she gets any sleep.


I'm not sure I understand your point. I presume your thesis is that Bush is "removed from reality," but I'm not certain how this is shown. Unless you are saying it is not "fantastic" that she works three jobs - in which case I agree that choice of words is perhaps not the best. But it appears Bush is commenting on the fact that she is not relying on the government to support her and her children -- that she is embodying the "American spirit" and work ethic by working hard to support herself and her family, without the support of a father in the home. That is the reality, and he is not removed from it. It is her spirit that will ultimately cause her to succeed, and not an attitude that she is entitled to be supported by the US government.

blatham wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
Mr. Cowan, with his degree or two from Oxford, and his career teaching Islam and theology at Cambridge is different precisely how from what he indicts?


Perspective?


Gained how?


Introspection? Epiphany? Does it matter? He can't indict himself?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 12:18 pm
Quote:
Introspection? Epiphany? Does it matter? He can't indict himself?


A tad tough for his argument...."Professor types cannot perceive the real world."
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2005 07:22 pm
blatham wrote:
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Introspection? Epiphany? Does it matter? He can't indict himself?


A tad tough for his argument...."Professor types cannot perceive the real world."


Generally speaking, an accurate argument.

Case in point: My brother the Professor with a Phd.

Salutatorian in High School (he missed first place by a scant .02 or so in his grade average), he emerged from that sterile womb into the Never Never Land of University. The temptations of sex, drugs and rock and roll interfered with his quest for redemptive academic supremacy, but he put in his time (and time and time and time) and burst forth upon the world with double Masters (Education and History, I think) and promptly followed the groove, in which he had become so comfortable, towards some sort of assistant professorship at his alma mater. From there, the sky was the limits and, in fairly short order, he achieved full professorship and his doctorate.

Don't get me wrong. I love my brother dearly, admire his scholarship, and appreciate his fine mind, however, he doesn't know **** about the real world. How could he? He has been insulated from it for all of his life.

Needless to say, he is a Liberal.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2005 08:33 pm
And what might he say about his brother, finn?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 06:38 pm
From this week's "Idiots" file:

This week's conservative crybaby award goes to Bob Whitney, who is suing the University of Nevada after a professor gave him a B-minus. Bob's excuse is that Professor Eugene Moehring "discriminated against him because of his conservative values," according to STLToday.com, and he's seeking $10,000 in damages. Let's see: filing a frivolous lawsuit - check. Failing to take personal responsibility - check. Whining about being oppressed by liberals - check. Yup, Bob's a conservative idiot all right.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 11:33 am
PDiddie wrote:
From this week's "Idiots" file:

This week's conservative crybaby award goes to Bob Whitney, who is suing the University of Nevada after a professor gave him a B-minus. Bob's excuse is that Professor Eugene Moehring "discriminated against him because of his conservative values," according to STLToday.com, and he's seeking $10,000 in damages. Let's see: filing a frivolous lawsuit - check. Failing to take personal responsibility - check. Whining about being oppressed by liberals - check. Yup, Bob's a conservative idiot all right.


Laughing

Sounds like a liberal to me. If we were to give out "Crybaby Awards" to liberals, where the hell would we start? There's so damn many deserving candidates ......
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 02:52 pm
tico

I'm assuming, as you are practicing law, that you are actually more than ten years old. The 'crybaby' thing ought to have been left far back.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 03:07 pm
blatham wrote:
The 'crybaby' thing ought to have been left far back.
You might want to pass that suggestion on to democratic underground - source of pdid's 'idiot' story - and originators of the use of the term in re that particular case.
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