blatham wrote:Perhaps you are looking for an on/off switch here, some Presidential Proclamation written in lamb's blood decreeing Christianity (Born Again Version) the official state faith.
Of course, that's not what one living in a modern state is to be alert to. Rather it is the appointments of personnel to key positions, the redirection of government funds, the statements that reveal not a pluralist leaning but a push towards a singular direction. And the justification that the righteous truth of the one real faith was indeed appreciated by the framers, who intended a country within that faith.
If in 2008 we were to elect a devout Jew as President, I would expect him to make statements and take actions based on his beliefs. I would not be concerned that we were becoming a Jewish nation.
I am not looking for an all or nothing solution here; rather that is what the other side of this debate seems to seek. You claim that we should not hold someone's faith against him or her, yet you do it everyday. You attack Bush, Rumsfeld and others because they are men of faith. Yes, you attack their actions, but there is a vitriol with which many speak of and belittle their beliefs.
Oh, and for the record, let's look at a few more recipients of Compassion Capital Fund Grants:
United Way of Massachusetts $ 2,000,000
JVA Consulting, Inc. CO $ 1,008,547
Christian Community Health Fellowship IL $ 1,128,330
The National Center for Faith Based Initiative FL $ 700,000
Montana Office of Rural Health MT $ 614,555
Associated Black Charities, Inc. MD $ 1,500,000
Clemson University SC $ 1,033,341
Southeast Asia Resource Action Center DC $ 682,240
Community Technology Centers' Network (CTCNET) MA $ 1,499,770
Emory University GA $ 1,499,999
Operation Blessing International VA $ 500,000
Mennonite Economic Development Associates PA $ 1,000,000
Nueva Esperanza, Inc. PA $ 2,466,406
University of Nebraska NE $ 1,160,742
CJH Educational Grant Services, Inc. NC $ 1,506,987
Institute for Youth Development VA $ 2,500,000
Catholic Charities of Central New Mexico NM $ 1,000,000
Northside Ministerial Alliance MI $ 1,000,000
Volunteers of America, Inc. VA $ 699,159
University of Hawaii HI $ 600,000
S.V.D.P. Management, Inc. CA $ 673,041
Those shown in bold above are not faith-based organizations.
By my calculations, 78% of the money is going to secular organizations. Now, I understand that some of these are tasked with doling out the money they are receiving to smaller, regional charities, and I recognize that some percentage of these can be faith-based, but that determination is now in secular hands.
Now, the big question everyone ought to be asking is: Has any better-qualified secular or non-Christian organization been turned down for a grant?
And (forgive me for the length of this post, but) I need to again ask a question no one has answered for me: If the government denies capable organizations access to apply for these grants simply because the organization is associated with a specific church or faith, isn't the government discriminating based on faith? I think everyone would agree that they would be were we discussing an individual, and I think many of you are refusing to think outside your personal "box" in refusing to consider this a valid analogy.