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Help! Family crisis!

 
 
Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 12:25 am
I could use some input on how to help alleviate a family crisis I inadvertantly started. Here's the background:

I have a favorite Uncle whom we call Buddy. Buddy is a 59 YO widower, a great fun-loving grandfather who is in perfect health. Buddy has five kids, four brothers and a sister ranging in age from 39 to 25. Child #2 is my cousin Mark, the ne'er-do-well of the family. Mark has had problems with drugs and booze, has done three years of jail time for a series of robberies and has three children (whom he has rarely seen or supported) with two women, neither of whom he married. In early 2000, Mark learned that his kidneys were starting to fail, a result of years of self-abuse and abnormally high blood pressure that was never effectively treated. Mid-last year, Mark's condition had degraded to a point where he was diagnosed with end stage renal failure. In short, without a kidney transplant, Mark -- who has no health insurance -- was doomed to dialysis, debt and probable death before he reached 40.

This health news helped Mark get scared straight. He kicked the booze and drugs and has been sober since August. He found a part time job that can fit around his dialysis schedule (3X a week, 3 to 4 hours a pop). And he's started to try to be a father to his children. But despite this turnaround, when Mark went looking to his family for possible kidney donors, three of his siblings refused to even consider it. Too much relationship damage had been done over the years. Only his youngest brother Joe was open to the idea but he isn't eligible because he has Type I diabetes. My cousin Joe is a truly great guy -- devoted husband and father, volunteer fireman, sunday school teacher -- just the sort of guy who wouldn't think twice about donating an organ to someone in need. But with Joe out as an option due to diabetes, Mark turned to his father Buddy. Once assured by his doctor that his age was not an issue, Buddy agreed to be tested to see if he was a match. If the tests were positive, he promised to donate his kidney to Mark. Mark and Joe were ecstatic but my other cousins were furious. And, more to the point, I sensed a little reluctance on the part of Buddy. Mark is his son, and he loves him, but Mark has really put Buddy through the wringer over the years. When my aunt died of a heart attack at age 52, it didn't take much to figure out that Buddy felt Mark was largely to blame.

Meanwhile, "good" cousin Joe had one of his regular doctor's appointments for his diabetes where he mentioned that his father was going to donate his kidney to his brother Mark. This news caused the doctor to remind Joe that he could very likely need his own transplant someday given the high rate of kidney failure in Type 1 diabetics. I had lunch with Joe the next day (right around Christmas) when he mentioned the irony of Mark needing a kidney instead of him. Joe had not told his father about this potential future need on his part, so later that night, I told Buddy this news. In my mind, I rationalized this stupid act as being "fair" to Buddy but, in reality, I just created a huge mess. At Christmas dinner, Uncle Buddy announced that, while he was in fact a positive donor match for Mark, he had changed his mind. He wanted to keep the kidney in case Joe might need it some day.

Since Christmas, things have been incredibly emotional and tense. Neither Mark nor Joe are speaking to me. Buddy seems more steadfast in his refusal than ever -- he's convinced that Mark's "selfish" disappointment is just more proof that he doesn't deserve the organ. My other cousins are standing firmly behind their father and he won't listen to my arguments. While never the tightest of families before, they are now completely divided. Meanwhile, Mark is not doing well at all -- he's on organ waiting lists but his history is keeping him far from the top. And I feel terrible because this is largely my fault.

So, there's the predicament. Any ideas to fix the situation? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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cobalt
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 01:26 am
Tim, you may not remember "me" from abuzz in Fired Up threads, but I am delighted to see you *here* in a2k! I have read your story and will think about this. It is so dang easy to find oneself becoming embroiled in the soap opera of others. It is hard to "see it coming" many times. I'll think more of this and hopefully other posters will consider this dilemna as well.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 07:23 am
Wow what a story.

One thing I didn't see mentioned is whether Buddy is a match for donating a kidney to Joe. If he's not a match then the whole question of donating to Joe is moot.

Best of luck to all of you.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 07:53 am
I'll second Boomer's "Wow.." Hmmm.. quite the pickle.

The only way I can think of to do anything might be to point out to Buddy that Mark needs a kidney transplant NOW and while Joe MIGHT need one in the future there doesn't appear to be any indication that he will so far and if/when he does, Buddy may not be physically well enough to donate by that point in time!

It seems really foolish on Buddy's part to allow Mark to die and then take the chance that he (Buddy himself) may die with Joe never needing his kidney. What a terrible shame that would be... A life wasted for no good reason. For want of a nail....
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 07:58 am
Tim King- You told the truth, and some people cannot deal with it. Remember, Buddy's decision was HIS choice. You talk about your perception that Buddy had offered the kidney to Mark with reluctance. I think that you gave Buddy the "out" that he wanted.

Joe is between a rock and a hard place. He is probably angry at you because he is feeling guilty that Mark might die because of what you said to his father. I certainly can understand why Mark is angry at you, but that does not really matter. I am sure you understood that Mark would not be exactly pleased with what you said.

Personally, I think that you did the right thing. There are consequences to every action that we take. You did what you thought was appropriate. Why don't you just let things work out by themselves? I think that now, if you try to fix anything, things are going to become more and more convoluted.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 08:01 am
fishin'- I disagree. I think that Tim delivered the message, and Buddy made the decision. I think that Tim needs to extricate himself from this mess now.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 08:32 am
I agree with Phoenix that Tim needn't blame himself. The line "And, more to the point, I sensed a little reluctance on the part of Buddy," jumped out at me before I had gotten to anything about his "changed" mind. I don't think he ever felt right about it, and took the opportunity to "change" his mind. (I use quotes because I don't think his mind actually changed.)

Boomer and Fishin' both have good points, but I'm not sure if that's a road to suggest, since both could go towards backing Buddy into a corner. ("Your kidney isn't even a match for Joe, so that's not an issue.")

Have you considered writing to Randy Cohen, The Ethicist? ([email protected])? I'd imagine him saying something like it would be the better and nobler thing for Buddy to donate his kidney, but it is not ethically required.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 08:44 am
The more I think about it, the more I have to agree with Sozobe. It sounds like he really did not want to give the kidney to Mark, but felt backed into a corner, because he IS a son. When he heard about Joe, not only did he have a reason to say "no" to Mark, he had the rationale that he wanted to save it for Joe.
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 08:55 am
Wow, fascinating saga. I can't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said. I agree that it is in no way your fault. It's always best to make major decisions with all the information in the fore.

Are the other brothers not wanting to donate a kidney because they don't want to part with it, or because they don't want to give it to Mark specifically? What if the healthy brothers and the father all tested to see if they were a pos match for Joe.... mabe Joe would have more than one to chose from.
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gezzy
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 10:04 am
Wow! What a story is right!

I'm with Phoenix and some others on this one Tim. You did the right thing and now they have to work this out themselves. Don't beat yourself up about it.
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jespah
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 10:14 am
I'm with littlek - why don't the brothers check and see if they're positive matches for Joe? And why doesn't Buddy do the same? If no one's a match, the point is moot. If another brother (let's call him Dave) is a match for Joe, then Dave can be the backup for Joe and Buddy can, if he chooses, donate to Mark - or not.

Of course this removes the convenient excuse of "I have to save a kidney for the good son, Joe, so I am waiting in favor of him and against the formerly bad son, Mark." But that's a bridge that can be crossed if/when anyone gets to it. It's entirely possible that only Buddy will be a match for Joe. If so, then again the point is moot.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 10:20 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
fishin'- I disagree. I think that Tim delivered the message, and Buddy made the decision. I think that Tim needs to extricate himself from this mess now.


While I would usually agree that people should back out of the affairs of others it seems to me that Tim feels that he is in the middle of this (if that's wrong he can jump in and correct me!) and just saying that he should back out and let things heal on their own presents it's own problems. Serious family rifts often take years (if not decades) to sooth over. I get the impression that Joe really doesn't have years to wait for that to happen.

Buddy certianly made the decision but he made it based on information that Tim provided him. I'd have to guess that if I were in Tim's shoes and backed out at this point and Joe then died while this turmoil was still thriving I'd probably blame myself for the rest of my life. When I'm in a position where I feel I've played a part in messing things up I do my best to remedy it. I don't drop out and let it blow over. In the end it is entirely Buddy's decision but I'd want to make sure he does see the WHOLE picture. If Buddy decides to maintain he position at that point then so be it and I'd be out of the picture at that point.

With that, I might amend my prior comment to begin with the words "IF you were to do anything...". Whether he chooses to intervene further or not is a choice only Tim can make. My comments reflect only one way of going about it if he chooses to remain involved in this..
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 10:23 am
Just a quick follow-up here in reference to several comments from others. I think many of you are overlooking an important sentence in Tim's original post:

"At Christmas dinner, Uncle Buddy announced that, while he was in fact a positive donor match for Mark, he had changed his mind. He wanted to keep the kidney in case Joe might need it some day."

It seems to me that Buddy HAS been tested and IS a match...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 10:24 am
<quick interjection -- poor Tim! this has gotta be tough. hugs.>
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Tim King
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 11:14 am
First, thanks to everyone for their feedback and advice, especially for trying to relieve my guilt about this. I really appreciate it, though it's hard to feel good about my role in all this. It's just a mess.

To answer a couple questions: neither Buddy nor Joe are interested in seeing if Buddy would be a match. Buddy doesn't want to know and Joe isn't even thinking it will be an eventual need. So, while it would clear things up a bit, I don't think we could make that happen.

The other cousins won't even talk about donating a kidney to Mark. They blame Mark for their mother's death (very unfairly, I think) and they have never forgiven him for his past. That being said, I think any of them would donate a kidney if Joe ever needed one. I've been tempted to press this point with Buddy, suggesting that he help Mark and let one of the others eventually help Joe, if he even needs it. But I think I've interfered enough already and I don't want to make things worse.

I have no doubt now that Buddy never felt right about his initial promise to Mark, but I'm really distressed that he would make it and then back off of it. I guess I'm just really disappointed in him and his judgement. It's very unlike him but I also think the situation is bringing some long-buried emotions to the surface.

Thanks again for the help. It's great to be able to depend on the kindness of strangers. Smile
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Tim King
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 11:22 am
Still, I'm left with this feeling of hopelessness regarding Mark. As much as he created his own destiny, I can't blame him completely. I feel horrible that he is going through all this with so little support from his own family. It's amazing how deep some old wounds must go.
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gezzy
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 06:15 pm
I really feel for you in this situation Tim. Personally, I could never let one of my children suffer or die if I could prevent it, no matter what they did. A parents love for their children should be unconditional and I couldn't live with myself if my child died when I could have prevented it. I have a feeling that as Mark's health begins to deteriorate, his father will once again change his mind and do the right thing to save his sons life. Either way Tim, it's not your fault and you should not be so hard on yourself. This is between father and son and since Mark has changed his ways, in time I'm sure things will come together. All you can do now is wish for the best and stop blaming yourself. I believe that dad would have changed his mind with or without your input.
I also think Littlek has a great idea as far as one of the other brothers donating a kidney to Joe if he should ever be in need of one in the future. If you feel a strong need to help, you could always just throw in that fact and just leave it at that, but I have a feeling that Buddy is going to give in at some point. After all Mark is still his son.

I hope everything works out in the end and my thoughts will be with you.
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 06:37 pm
Tim - I assume you mean the family feels Mark unduley stressed his mother out inching her into a heart attack. Perhaps they should do a little research on heart attacks. Stress doesn't work alone to kill someone. The major factors in heart disease are poor diet and lack of excersize. I think genetic predispostion figures in before stress does as well. In anycase, no one should be blamed for someone else's heart attack unless they actively forced them into a sedintary lifstyle and a crappy diet.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 06:42 pm
Tim- I think that what has been done, has been done. I think that Buddy is conflicted enough. If it were my dad, I would leave him alone on this subject, and not lay a further guilt trip on him!
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Tim King
 
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Reply Fri 7 Feb, 2003 07:13 pm
Thanks again everyone. I do feel better for having read your input. And I do think that it's best to let things play out from here. Hopefully, time will help them learn to forgive and care for one another.

Thanks for helping!
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