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Yasser Arafat Is Dead

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 12:26 am
Israel doesn't lack for terrorist heros itself. Some of its founding fathers were terrorists.

Such glorious personages as Menachem Begin who led the Irgun Zvai-Leumi and Yitzak Shamir who led the Lohamei Herut Israel. The Irgun specialized in planting time bombs hidden in milk canisters which they'd then plant in Arab markets, cafes, and such. Both groups terrorized Jews who were collaborators with the British mandate authorities. Lohamei funded its terrorist activities by robbing banks in Palestine. Both groups took their terrorist activities beyond the borders of Palestine to other parts of the world like Europe.

Both Begin and Shamir went on to be elected to Israel's highest office, the Prime Ministry.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 12:30 am
Washington Post on Arafat's life:

A Dreamer Who Forced His Cause Onto World Stage
Goal of Palestinian State Proved Elusive

By Lee Hockstader
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, November 11, 2004;

For virtually his entire adult life, Yasser Arafat had one dream, and he pursued it with such energy and zeal -- some would say fanaticism -- that he came to personify the dream itself.

The dream was of self-determination and statehood for the Palestinian people, and in the end he did not live to see it.



In 1999, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat clasp hands after signing a land-for-security agreemen. U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright offered applause. (Ruth Fremson - AP)



Such was his devotion to the cause that Arafat, who died early today at age 75 in a military hospital outside Paris, was willing to tolerate and embrace bloody acts of terror that made him an international pariah, and also to sign a peace agreement with Israel that inspired the wrath of some of his closest advisers, who considered it a sellout.

By dint of ruthless violence often directed at civilians, artful manipulation and the sheer theatrical force of his personality, he managed almost single-handedly to elevate the grievances of a few million disenfranchised Palestinians to a prominent place on the world's political agenda.

He was reviled by many Israelis, who saw in him a modern-day Hitler, revered by many Arabs, who loved him for restoring their shattered sense of honor, and lionized by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which awarded him the Peace Prize in 1994. To the Palestinians, for whom he forged an identity as a distinct people striving for national liberation, he was larger than life -- though hardly universally adored.

"Ironically, his major shortcoming has also been his strength -- the belief that he alone is capable of realizing Palestinian ambitions," wrote Said K. Aburish, one of his biographers.

Until Israeli troops confined him to the ruins of his compound for nearly the last three years of his life, no statesman or leader in the modern era traveled as much, year after year. He once touched down in 45 countries in the space of a month, and it was common for him to alight in 10 countries in a week.

As one of the world's most recognized personalities for more than three decades, Arafat was the subject of at least a half-dozen biographies in English, plus others in French, German, Russian, Arabic and Hebrew. Few public figures granted so many interviews or delivered so many speeches -- and few managed so consistently to be evasive in their public comments. His trademark black-and-white checkered kaffiyeh headdress, folded and draped meticulously to describe the shape of Palestine, became a sartorial symbol not only for the Palestinian cause but for Third World revolutions in the Cold War era. The fascination with his persona was so great that dozens of Western interlocutors felt compelled to ask him why he kept his scruffy salt-and-pepper beard (he liked it) and why he didn't marry (he finally did, at 61).

Yet for all Arafat's public exposure, a sense of mystery remained about his essential nature and some of the basic facts of his life, thanks partly to his own efforts at obscuring them.

He could be charming, courtly and good-humored in private, pouring tea for his visitors and regaling them with amusing (if inflated) accounts of his battlefield exploits, narrow escapes and political travails. Yet he was an unimposing character, 5 feet 4, bald, thick-waisted, bug-eyed, temperamental, ineloquent and modestly educated. People delved into his speeches in search of an ideology, only to come up empty-handed. To this day, there is confusion about his place of birth, controversy about his battlefield exploits and debate about any number of episodes in his spectacularly eventful life.

Still, few doubted his knack for survival, the product of astonishing talent, luck or intuition. Many or most of his closest aides and confidants were murdered in the course of their long guerrilla struggle. But Arafat emerged intact from 40 assassination attempts (by his own, probably exaggerated tally), plus wars and rebellions, car accidents, a plane crash that killed both the pilot and co-pilot, and a stroke. And he managed to keep himself and his Palestine Liberation Organization whole and relevant despite devastating political setbacks and military defeats.

In his late sixties, Arafat attempted to transform himself from an archetypal revolutionary figure into a statesman and chief executive of the first self-ruled Palestinian territories. His handshake on the White House South Lawn with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin on Sept. 13, 1993, was one of the indelible images of the late 20th century, and the peace agreement they signed -- and for which they won the Nobel Prize -- seemed to hold the promise of a new future for the Middle East.

But his transformation was ultimately incomplete, and in U.S.-brokered negotiations at Camp David and in the Middle East in 2000 he was unwilling or unable to close a deal with Israel to put an end to the two sides' century-long conflict. Many concluded that Arafat had never truly reconciled himself to Israel's existence or the permanent exile of Palestinian refugees expelled from their ancestral homes by Israel. Under his rule, the Palestinian Authority was said by many to be riddled with corruption. When a bloody new Palestinian insurrection erupted in September 2000 -- if not led by Arafat then with his acquiescence -- he became a pariah to Israel and the United States.

By the time of his death, his leadership and legacy were the subjects of harsh debate among his own people........


Full analysis here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41509-2004Nov10.html?nav=rss_world
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 12:31 am
InfraBlue wrote:
Israel doesn't lack for terrorist heros itself. Some of its founding fathers were terrorists.

Such glorious personages as Menachem Begin who led the Irgun Zvai-Leumi and Yitzak Shamir who led the Lohamei Herut Israel. The Irgun specialized in planting time bombs hidden in milk canisters which they'd then plant in Arab markets, cafes, and such. Both groups terrorized Jews who were collaborators with the British mandate authorities. Lohamei funded its terrorist activities by robbing banks in Palestine. Both groups took their terrorist activities beyond the borders of Palestine to other parts of the world like Europe.

Both Begin and Shamir went on to be elected to Israel's highest office, the Prime Ministry.


True..... so many mirror images, eh?
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 12:34 am
hi ms. buns...I have nothing to contribute...just hi there...just got in from work...drunk....
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 12:38 am
It's ironic hearing in the news statements such as "Arafat is considered to have been the father of terrorism," these comments coming largely from Israelis, of all people, and their supporters.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 12:46 am
Hmmm - I had forgotten that early history - can remember having it driled into my head as romantic and wonderful in "Exodus" - the book by Leon Uris, I mean - not the book in the bible.


Thing is - I can SOOOOOOOO understand the drive of the Zionists for a land - after the horrors they had lived through.

Things are never simple.




HI BI!!!!


Youall watch yer fingies and what they type now, if'n you be pished!!!
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 12:51 am
will doobie doobie do.....
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 07:14 am
This is an easy case to make...

Arafat = Terrorist
IDF = freedom fighters
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gav
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 01:12 pm
dlowan wrote:
Hmmmm...

"If an architect could be ascribed to the ensuing mayhem, it would be poet and schoolteacher Padraig Pearse, who won his co-conspirators over to an ideology of "blood sacrifice"---the notion that if a small cache of committed men died public martyrs' deaths, then the island's entire population would join in the struggle for independence."


"After all, why does a supposedly democratic party need to hang on to guns and bombs if it truly is a democratic party? Like lots of simple questions in Ireland the real answer is complex and mired in myth, murder and political strategy.

The first part of the answer lies in history and the actions of the man the present Irish Republic, and the Provisionals, revere as the founding father of the State. When Padraig Pearse, and his doomed rag-tag rebel army, took over the General Post Office on O?Connell Street in Dublin at Easter in 1916 and walked outside to proclaim an Irish republic, he wasn?t trumpeting the greatness of parliamentary politics.

The Easter Proclamation was, and is, a chilling semifascistic rant that is heavy on the power of arms, blood sacrifice and dead children to bring a united Ireland into being. Killing ?alien? British soldiers was, Pearse declared, the ?fundamental right? of all true Irish republicans. Guns and bombs were the way forward.

In the end, Pearse got what he wanted, a honourable execution by baffled British Army generals, but his poisonous legacy lived on, inspiring generation after generation of young Irishmen to take up the gun.

The proclamation is still read out, usually by a child, at every republican Easter commemoration, traditionally held at the graveside of dead IRA volunteers. Peace process or no peace process, there will be the same bitter words at Easter 2003 as there were in 1916."


Not too impressed yet, Gav. Got anything to add?

And - 'tis not just a small group of committed men dying in palestine.


And that doesn't come across as simple case of, well, character asassination? It doesn't sound even wee bit biased to you? Rolling Eyes

Here's that "bitter" proclamation thats read at the Commemorations - like I mean it reeks of equality and civil liberties for all and other such nasty things!!! Rolling Eyes

POBLACHT NA H EIREANN
___________________________
THE PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENT
OF THE
IRISH REPUBLIC
TO THE PEOPLE OF IRELAND

IRISHMEN AND IRISHWOMEN: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.

Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the last three hundred years they have asserted it to arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.

The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent National, representative of the whole people of Ireland and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the Republic in trust for the people.

We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God. Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, in humanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.

Signed on Behalf of the Provisional Government.

Thomas J. Clarke,
Sean Mac Diarmada, Thomas MacDonagh,
P. H. Pearse, Eamonn Ceannt,
James Connolly, Joseph Plunkett
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 01:36 pm
The legacy of Yasser Arafat, for those not brainwashed by his propaganda and that of his supporters, is one of murder, deceit and corruption.

As part of its obituary, The New York Times said, "Arafat led a long and failed effort for statehood" for the Palestinians. He did no such thing. Arafat led a long reign of terror, the purpose of which was to kill Jews and eliminate the state of Israel.

Arafat never cared about a Palestinian state contiguous to Israel. The only Palestinian state he cared about was one that encompassed all of Israel. He said that repeatedly to his own people while he said something else to the West. Every Palestinian map was printed without Israel. Arafat proved his intentions by the terrorism he encouraged, including homicide bombers, whose families he paid out of funds that should have gone to help his "people." One list of Israeli fatalities caused by terrorism inspired and directed by Arafat just since the 1993 Oslo accords runs 47 single-spaced pages.

In a statement on Arafat's death, the Vatican sounded as if it were speaking of Mother Teresa. The Vatican's chief spokesman referred to Arafat as "the illustrious deceased" and asked God to grant eternal rest to his soul. Where is church-state separation when you really need it? The only "resting" place Arafat will enjoy is a place in hell alongside his ideological and anti-Semitic idol, Adolph Hitler.

Much of the world has been deceived about "Palestinianism" because it knows little of the history of the region. There has never been an Arab "Palestinian people." The real Palestinians are the Jews. Those who have adopted the name are from Arab countries, chiefly Jordan.

It was the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who created this deceit in the 1920s as a rationale for murdering Jews. He made a pact with Hitler in the 1930s and encouraged the Nazi dictator to slaughter European Jews to keep them from escaping to Palestine. He ordered Arab families to leave Israel in 1948 so that Arab armies could invade and try to overturn the U.N. mandate that created Israel.

After subsequent wars and numerous terrorist incidents, Israel remains stronger than ever and the plight of the so-called "Palestinians" is worse than ever, thanks in part to Arafat's suspected embezzlement of unknown millions.

President Bush issued a carefully nuanced statement following the announcement of Arafat's death: "There will be an opening for peace when leadership of the Palestinian people steps forward and says, 'Help us build a democratic and free society.'"

That isn't likely to happen anytime soon because the poison did not die with Arafat. It is endemic to a region and a people that despise all things Jewish, Christian and Western. Various "leaders" throughout the Arab world have found the Jews, Christians and West useful diversions from the real problems of Arab people. They would be just as poor, illiterate and oppressed today, as they were before 1948, if Israel did not exist.

Other nations with a different worldview might have used such resources to build great societies. These Arab nations and people have squandered money and opportunities on ancient prejudices under the false notion that they are pleasing an angry and vengeful God who hates what they hate and wants them to wipe out his "enemies."

Yasser Arafat was not unique in the region. Others will follow him as they announce divine mandates to take up where he left off. There might be civil war among the various rivals for power - from Hamas to Islamic Jihad to other factions. If Hamas conquers Gaza after the Israelis withdraw, Egypt may rue the day it allowed tunnels to be dug on its territory for Hamas to smuggle weapons and terrorists into Israel. Those tunnels go both ways, and Hamas might use them to destabilize the government of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Of all the Nobel Peace Prize winners, Yasser Arafat was the least worthy. The award was an example of the self-deception practiced by many in the West who continue to believe evil people can be made good if they are simply given what they want, no matter what it might cost others.

Arafat is gone, but he won't be forgotten, especially by the relatives of his murdered victims.

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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:18 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
Israel doesn't lack for terrorist heros itself. Some of its founding fathers were terrorists.

Such glorious personages as Menachem Begin who led the Irgun Zvai-Leumi and Yitzak Shamir who led the Lohamei Herut Israel. The Irgun specialized in planting time bombs hidden in milk canisters which they'd then plant in Arab markets, cafes, and such. Both groups terrorized Jews who were collaborators with the British mandate authorities. Lohamei funded its terrorist activities by robbing banks in Palestine. Both groups took their terrorist activities beyond the borders of Palestine to other parts of the world like Europe.

Both Begin and Shamir went on to be elected to Israel's highest office, the Prime Ministry.


You are a weird piece of work.
So because Arafat the Dead But Unmourned ordered the butchery of innocent children last month, Begin or Shamir is as equally guilty for what they did 57 years or longer ago.
All things are not the same, you odd person.
All people are not equally guilty, you who have zero historical perspective.
I hope you can explain your absurd opinions when the followers of Arafat, wife of the final dispostition when the Arafat Lady Sings, come for you because you are not them.
Unbelievable
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:21 pm
There are something like 5 times as many dead Palestinian children over the last five years than Israeli ones.

Say what you want about Israel; they have blood all over there hands. But, that's nothing new, is it?

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:23 pm
If the Palestinians loved their children, they would stop sending them into Israel with bombs attached to them.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:30 pm
McGentrix wrote:
If the Palestinians loved their children, they would stop sending them into Israel with bombs attached to them.


I believe the suicide bombers are an 'all volunteer' force.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:30 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
If the Palestinians loved their children, they would stop sending them into Israel with bombs attached to them.


I believe the suicide bombers are an 'all volunteer' force.


Programmed at an early age ....
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:32 pm
Sort of like Republicans?

Except, yaknow, flashier.

Cycloptichorn
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:33 pm
Ding-dong the witch is dead........
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:35 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
If the Palestinians loved their children, they would stop sending them into Israel with bombs attached to them.


I believe the suicide bombers are an 'all volunteer' force.


Programmed at an early age ....


Do we sell GI Joes over there?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:36 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
If the Palestinians loved their children, they would stop sending them into Israel with bombs attached to them.


I believe the suicide bombers are an 'all volunteer' force.


I would never allow my son to martyr himself for any cause.

I would knock him on his butt and chain him in the basement until he regained his senses first.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2004 03:37 pm
McGentrix wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
If the Palestinians loved their children, they would stop sending them into Israel with bombs attached to them.


I believe the suicide bombers are an 'all volunteer' force.


I would never allow my son to martyr himself for any cause.

I would knock him on his butt and chain him in the basement until he regained his senses first.


Would you let him join the military? Oh right, it's his decision, made as an adult.
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