AP Poll: Stable Iraq Tops Voter Priorities

Aris wrote:

I take it from your analogy that Iraq was the cow and AQ the flies.

Considering that this has been proven to be pure propaganda, the wrong cow as it were, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of needless deaths, was shot.

BTW, the cow & fly analogy is not good because the rest of the world is hardly cows to be herded while Bush & Co. are the enlightened humans.

Then again, your analogy does explain the mindset of many Americans, no offence meant to Americans in general.

please be so knd as to inform them of that.....

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Aris wrote:

I take it from your analogy that Iraq was the cow and AQ the flies.

Considering that this has been proven to be pure propaganda, the wrong cow as it were, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of needless deaths, was shot.

BTW, the cow & fly analogy is not good because the rest of the world is hardly cows to be herded while Bush & Co. are the enlightened humans.

Then again, your analogy does explain the mindset of many Americans, no offence meant to Americans in general.

please be so knd as to inform them of that.....

Inform the rest of the world to stop mooing or inform Bush & Co. that they are not enlightened?

Einherjar wrote:

Notice how dead cows attract more flies than living ones?

The more you keep killing them, the more flies they will attract, but that fact is lost on Bush supporters.

I guess you could just live with the hornets flying around your garage - some would argue that course of action is safer than knocking the nest down, which just stirs them up - but I prefer to get rid of the nest myself. Safer in the long run.

You ever notice that if you have a hornet's nest hanging on your garage, you have a lot of hornets flying around? And then if you knock the hornet's nest off the garage, you have even more hornets flying around - and they're really mad because you messed with their nest? But pretty soon you're able to put the nest in the trashcan, and you don't have that many hornets anymore?

I guess you could just live with the hornets flying around your garage - some would argue that course of action is safer than knocking the nest down, which just stirs them up - but I prefer to get rid of the nest myself. Safer in the long run.

As for cows (middle east countries) attracting flies (terrorists), the socio-political activities of many of these countries are clearly producing radical fundamentalists prone to terrorism. You may argue that the terrorists are just people pushed to extremism by crushing poverty and overbearing societies, and you might be right, but that doesn't change the situation.

rosborne979 wrote:

As for cows (middle east countries) attracting flies (terrorists), the socio-political activities of many of these countries are clearly producing radical fundamentalists prone to terrorism. You may argue that the terrorists are just people pushed to extremism by crushing poverty and overbearing societies, and you might be right, but that doesn't change the situation.

Explain to me how Iraq was "clearly producing radical fundamentalists prone to terrorism".

I won't get into the rest of your post until we tackle this first point of yours.

But this doesn't matter because I don't think Iraq was attacked because of this activity. I think Iraq was selected as a convenient example to the other cows. Iraq just happend to be the piece on the chessboard upon which all the power and risk was focused. Not only do they control oil reserves (power), but they also had very few friends (nobody liked Sadam), and Sadam was not doing himself any favors by hampering the exposure of his lack of WMD's, it only made him a more viable target. A short sighted strategy based on the assumption that the US would be paralyzed into inaction the way it had been or ten years. Obviously he underestimated the changes which have occured in recent history.

You ever notice that if you have a hornet's nest hanging on your garage, you have a lot of hornets flying around? And then if you knock the hornet's nest off the garage, you have even more hornets flying around - and they're really mad because you messed with their nest? But pretty soon you're able to put the nest in the trashcan, and you don't have that many hornets anymore?

I guess you could just live with the hornets flying around your garage - some would argue that course of action is safer than knocking the nest down, which just stirs them up - but I prefer to get rid of the nest myself. Safer in the long run.

Sadam paying rewards for suicde attacks in Israel for one.

Ticomaya wrote:

You ever notice that if you have a hornet's nest hanging on your garage, you have a lot of hornets flying around? And then if you knock the hornet's nest off the garage, you have even more hornets flying around - and they're really mad because you messed with their nest? But pretty soon you're able to put the nest in the trashcan, and you don't have that many hornets anymore?

I guess you could just live with the hornets flying around your garage - some would argue that course of action is safer than knocking the nest down, which just stirs them up - but I prefer to get rid of the nest myself. Safer in the long run.

There are more ways to rid oneself of a hornet's nest than simply going in and hitting it with a stick.

It is morally wrong, and a heinous crime, to attack a sovereign nation for the reasons you have listed here....

Ticomaya wrote:

You ever notice that if you have a hornet's nest hanging on your garage, you have a lot of hornets flying around? And then if you knock the hornet's nest off the garage, you have even more hornets flying around - and they're really mad because you messed with their nest? But pretty soon you're able to put the nest in the trashcan, and you don't have that many hornets anymore?

I guess you could just live with the hornets flying around your garage - some would argue that course of action is safer than knocking the nest down, which just stirs them up - but I prefer to get rid of the nest myself. Safer in the long run.

There are more ways to rid oneself of a hornet's nest than simply going in and hitting it with a stick.

MerlinsGodson wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

You ever notice that if you have a hornet's nest hanging on your garage, you have a lot of hornets flying around? And then if you knock the hornet's nest off the garage, you have even more hornets flying around - and they're really mad because you messed with their nest? But pretty soon you're able to put the nest in the trashcan, and you don't have that many hornets anymore?

I guess you could just live with the hornets flying around your garage - some would argue that course of action is safer than knocking the nest down, which just stirs them up - but I prefer to get rid of the nest myself. Safer in the long run.

There are more ways to rid oneself of a hornet's nest than simply going in and hitting it with a stick.

Indeed. You can use poison gas, fire, and a vacuum.

I have yet to see anyone sweet talk a bunch of hornets into leaving though...

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It is morally wrong, and a heinous crime, to attack a sovereign nation for the reasons you have listed here....

No nation has the right to intervene in the affairs of another sovereign nation. International laws, aside from human morals, explicitly state this. Crap like this was done by Hitler on Poland for chrissake.

Remind me again why we messed with Milosevic?

You could paint yourself with yellow and black stripes and try to make friends.

You're absolutely right. You could send them 17 love notes asking them to quite stinging. You could give them the portion of the garage they are inhabiting and ask them nicely to please not spread to other areas of the garage. You could let your neighbors decide what you should do about the hornets. You could set out hornet traps to lure a few of them to their deaths. You could set out food for them to try to keep them in a designated area. You could just ignore them and hope they go away. You could paint yourself with yellow and black stripes and try to make friends.