Wisconsin School OKs Creationism Teaching

Snood,

I would like to point out (referring somewhat to Rosbournes post) that things ( from a genomic point of view) sometimes can happen relatively quickly.

This is simply a result of the random triggering of unexpressed genes.
You and I and every other living organism have a whole lot of garbage in our genes. Basically when several (or many) coincide a new species results. Whether it is successful or not depends on Darwin's theory which has largely been shown to be a fair representation of observations. The odds against a successful speciation occurring on a planet that already harbors life are astronomical. (Somebody else already here will eat it)

Farmerman is much more up on the differentiation of species than I. If he would care to expound on the brachiation of species (he has before Smile

) and if you care to consider the very numbers of experiments performed by natural methods (as opposed to divine) then the occurrence of our intelligence becomes unremarkable, possibly unique, and inevitable. It's simply the surviving echo of a number of interactions that can only be calculated with the help of exponents.

Figure the number of cubic centimeters of water on Earth, multiply by the number of elements, multiply by 4000 (the number of observed interactions per cc.) multiply by the number of seconds since Earth was formed, and then figure how long it will take before all possible interactions will take place on Earth.

It will happen, somewhere, sometime , someplace. Actually I have calculated that life will appear on an Earthlike planet somewhere in a time frame of between one and a half seconds and one hundred twenty hours. The lower figure IMO is more likely to be accurate. I suspect that the rate of speciation is similar. We just don't see it Exclamation

We can also miss easily a very few skeletons. ( which may never have existed at all)

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The lattest thing is that the mutations that accumulate on whatt was originally called "junk" DNA has a purpose after all. They are adopting new terms like "regulator or controller" genes and codons (groups of 3 amino acids that code a protein) . It looks like there is no real junk on tthe genome and that , perhaps, even junk is a "hopeful monster" (to bait Biblioguy). it appears that many mutations occur on the looong section of noncoding parts of the genome and sit there patiently unttil via some mechanism like duplication of a section, or recombination, or "a gap in the strand, the mutation moves closer to a gene and acts as a 'light switch"
Ive been a student of the gene diversity ttheory as proposed by Mayr and not a big "Muttation explains everything dude". Now there may be a middle ground where mutaations, out of reach of a coding sewuence, move closer in successive generations and begin tto be felt in some form of somatic regulation. Im aa simple man , so Ill just keeep reading my Forensic SCiences and GSA and NAture. Some of this stuff is starting to get a bit heady so Im gonna seek help from one of my colleagues who does research on the genetics of AAnapholes mosquitoes.
My question to him has always been'Who cares?"

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FROM THE LANCASTER (PA) NEW ERA< DEC 14

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Well, at least we aint gonna sit on our butts and let it happen without a good fight.

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farmerman wrote:

The ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State said the lawsuit is the first to challenge whether public schools should teach "intelligent design," which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power. The two organizations are representing the parents in the federal lawsuit.

On the Net:

http://www.dover.k12.pa.us

http://www.aclupa.org/

http://www.au.org

Well, at least we aint gonna sit on our butts and let it happen without a good fight.

Nice to know the ACLU and AU are using my dues in this battle Smile

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Creation Scientists Search for Talking Snake Bones in Africa, film at eleven.

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rosborne979 wrote:

Creation Scientists Search for Talking Snake Bones in Africa, film at eleven.

I didn't catch on untill the second half of it. Embarrassed

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if it aint true, it oughta be.

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Einherjar wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
Creation Scientists Search for Talking Snake Bones in Africa, film at eleven.

I didn't catch on untill the second half of it.

Check the links. They even have a faux-amazon.com site with books. Someone has way too much time on their hands (but it's very cutting parody).

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farmerman wrote:

if it aint true, it oughta be.

If it wasn't so close to the mark it would't be so funny Smile

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Yep guys, the baddies are gonna run all of your logic and science out of public schools, then they're gonna come take your weapons, then they're gonna appease all the terrorists and put us all in prison camps.

Don't you dare go down without a good kickin' and screamin' bloody murderous fight.

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snood wrote:

Yep guys, the baddies are gonna run all of your logic and science out of public schools, then they're gonna come take your weapons, then they're gonna appease all the terrorists and put us all in prison camps.

Weapons, Terrorists and Prison camps, where did all that come from?

snood wrote:

Don't you dare go down without a good kickin' and screamin' bloody murderous fight.

Well, I was thinking Lawyers, but it looks like your head's in a different place.

But what's your point Snood, that we should sit back and watch the extremist groups dismantle science education and the constitution bit by bit? Or is it that you just think we're pissing and moaning about stuff which isn't important.

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Not at all - I hear Chicken Little has publicly endorsed your cause and volunteered as a spokesman.

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snood wrote:

Not at all - I hear Chicken Little has publicly endorsed your cause and volunteered as a spokesman.

Ha, they even have a movie about it Smile

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snood wrote:

Yep guys, the baddies are gonna run all of your logic and science out of public schools, then they're gonna come take your weapons, then they're gonna appease all the terrorists and put us all in prison camps.

Don't you dare go down without a good kickin' and screamin' bloody murderous fight.

Snood,

Don't you think that teaching logic and science in public schools is a good thing?

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ebrown_p wrote:

snood wrote:
Yep guys, the baddies are gonna run all of your logic and science out of public schools, then they're gonna come take your weapons, then they're gonna appease all the terrorists and put us all in prison camps.

Don't you dare go down without a good kickin' and screamin' bloody murderous fight.

Snood,

Don't you think that teaching logic and science in public schools is a good thing?

Yes. And (you didn't ask, but) owning weapons. And fighting terrorism.

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Good then. So what are we arguing about?

The other evolution threads are more fun...

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I didn't notice any fighting. I was facetiously making the point that some of the concern voiced here seemed like hyperbole.

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snood wrote:

Yep guys, the baddies are gonna run all of your logic and science out of public schools, then they're gonna come take your weapons, then they're gonna appease all the terrorists and put us all in prison camps.

Don't you dare go down without a good kickin' and screamin' bloody murderous fight.

Yep they could, It has happened before, N. Korea,Sudan,Iraq,Iran,Germany,Palestine,South Africa immediately come to mind. I suspect that I could easily provide another fifty examples where superstitions and beliefs have temporarily (Even Athiests can hope) overcome facts and observations.

The results were never very good for humans Sad

Of course that is only My Opinion. Probably women are better off getting their clits cut off, and the dunking stool in Salem Mass. defintely benefited the whole population.

Now if you will send me $5,000 or one Kreugerrand I will give you a quit claim deed to a bridge that connects Manhatten Island with Long Island New York U.S.A. .

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I got a better idea - why don't we trade - you give me your deed, and I'll give you a pointy aluminum hat to ward off them bad ole' weapon gremlins.

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I have considered your proposition carefully and I have made a personal decision.

What we need are ideas based on facts and observations rather than the one that we have been using which largely seem to be based on nightmares, wet dreams, and dreams of control, power, and wealth.

In other words IF ID can show one result that cannot be shown to have happened by simple happenstance then I am reasonably certain that the Athiestic-Agnostic argument concerning the possibility of the existence of an Intelligent Designer would crumble into dust.

In some 15,000 years of searching, by both the supersticiously minded and the logicly minded humans there has not been one thing shown that can be attributed to an Intelligent Designer if observations count for anything.

All that is necessary to explain our existence, our loves, our patriotism, and even our supersticions can easily be shown to have happened as a result of a series of purely natural occurrences. The odds are astronomical. So are the interactions >+1 Smile

We humans may be unique, but we are in no ways remarkable. Nor are our Gods particularly surprising. After all we made them :wink:

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