Wisconsin School OKs Creationism Teaching

At the start of this thread Phoenix quoted:
"School board members believed that a state law governing the teaching of evolution was too restrictive. The science curriculum 'should not be totally inclusive of just one scientific theory,' said Joni Burgin, superintendent of the district of 1,000 students in northwest Wisconsin. "

This sounds balanced and fair.

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Bibliophile the BibleGuru wrote:

At the start of this thread Phoenix quoted:
"School board members believed that a state law governing the teaching of evolution was too restrictive. The science curriculum 'should not be totally inclusive of just one scientific theory,' said Joni Burgin, superintendent of the district of 1,000 students in northwest Wisconsin. "

This sounds balanced and fair.

And if there were more than one credible scientific theory for the development of life on this planet, then I would support teaching it. At the moment however, Evolution by means of natural selection is the only credible scientific theory which exists.

There are lots of other theories, but they are not scientific theories. Personally, I like the theory that a magical Irish Elf created all of reality ten minutes ago, complete with an apparent natural history and memories for all of us to think we have.

By the way, I notice that you've moved on to a different plan of attack, rather than add any more detail to your previous assertions. Were you going to get back to explaining your previous statements at all, or should we just forget all that?

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Ros said:
"...Evolution by means of natural selection is the only credible scientific theory which exists. "

LOL

Are you really asserting that Natural Selection is the mechanism for Evolution?

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Bibliophile, are you saying that evolution is just a belief system that has been handed down and taught to our children in a systematic attempt to brainwash generations and generations of people worldwide into following some kind of "Humanist" agenda?

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Bibliophile the BibleGuru wrote:

Ros said:
"...Evolution by means of natural selection is the only credible scientific theory which exists."

LOL

Glad you're having fun Bib, so am I Smile

Remember that time back on Abuzz when your wife logged on with your account and told everyone that you had died. Now THAT was funny Smile

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't funny when we thought you were dead, but it sure was funny later. By the way, I hope you and the family are doing well.

Bibliophile the BibleGuru wrote:

Are you really asserting that Natural Selection is the mechanism for Evolution?

It's one mechanism. Another well known mechanism is the magical Irish Elf who periodically tweaks the genome to produce a new species.

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Ros:
Hah! Now you are kicking my funnybone.

Yep, I remember it alright...Mrs Bib sure pulled the plug on my Abuzz antics.

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Is this Elf related to my Leprechaun?
According to him, Sprites, Pixies, Goblins and Hobbits know that Natural Selection is just one of the many Fairy Tales that Menfolk talk about. :wink:

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Bibliophile the BibleGuru wrote:

Is this Elf related to my Leprechaun?

Yes Loki, they are all the same.

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personally I prefer un-natural selection. You know, like when an irishman marries an Italian chick thereby producing an anarchist with a unslakeable thirst aka a Boston cop.

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Bibliophile,

You say science curriculum 'should not be totally inclusive of just one scientific theory'.

Just how far does this need to go?

Do we need to teach alternatives to the heliocentric solar system (i.e. the planet orbit the sun)?

What about alternatives to photosynthesis in plants or the theory that germs cause diseases?

Science, and scientists make all kinds of statements about what we know scientifically. It seems like any of these things from Gravity to weather to evolution should be covered in a science class. The students should not be given any more doubt than the scientists have.

Students in science class should be taught about science. If scientists are convinced that something is true we should tell students this.

After all, we teach students about modern atomic theory. There is an alternative theory, but time spent speaking about the four elements of alchemy "Earth, Wind, Fire and Air" seems ill spent.

The vast majority of scientists are convinced that evolution has been proven. Thus, it is only appropriate that we teach this in science classes.

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Dys:
Unnatural? Irish and Italian combo? That's bordering on supernatural! No one argues with that partnership. :wink:

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ebrown_p wrote:

The students should not be given any more doubt than the scientists have.

Maybe this is a good measuring stick?

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farmerman wrote:

Bib.

Pray tell us , what is the definittion of evolution to which you subscribe.? and how do you know that the evidence is cooked?

Waiting for an answer Bib.

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farmerman, Good question. Now for the "answer."

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Biblio, If you think an Irish/Italian combo borders on the supernatural, you should see our family! We are Japanese with English, Irish, German, Italian, Chinese, Polynesian, black, and Mexican (I may be missing some) heritage in our family.

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I'm trying to imagine your big family dinners, c.i., but just thinking about it gives me indigestion!

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Hey, chow mein noodles go great with fried chicken. Wink

And wash it all down with a big Tiki Bowl. Woohoo!

(basically, it sounds like the pot lucks we have at work - very cool).

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Eva, Actually, when we have our annual New Year's Day feast at our home, we have mostly the Japanese-Chinese side of the family with one niece married to an Irish and their children, but friends include English, German, and Jew. I think it has more to do with geography than anything else.

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Our menu usually includes sashimi, chow mein, crab, shrimp, gobo (a root cooked in a sweek soy sauce), rice, sushi, teriyaki chicken, sweet potato, macaroni salad, green salad, couple of different pies, ice cream, and some other dishes our family and friends bring. Wink

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Wow.

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I can see a Christian arguing about the Theistic vs Atheistic Versions of Evolution (see Catholic Encyclopedia: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05654a.htm ) -- but to block the entire theory? That just lessens whatever version of the Deity you worship and assumes that the writings of men can define God.

Quote:

... This is the gist of the theory of evolution as a scientific hypothesis. It is in perfect agreement with the Christian conception of the universe; for Scripture does not tell us in what form the present species of plants and of animals were originally created by God. As early as 1877 Knabenbauer stated "that there is no objection, so far as faith is concerned, to assuming the descent of all plant and animal species from a few types" (Stimmen aus Maria Laach, XIII, p. 72).

Theistic Version -- God still directs life but uses the mechanism of evolution to get there. Soul, as defined by church, is still God-given.

Atheistic Version -- Does not mention any deity in relationship with scientific discussions. Discounts soul as unavailable for study.

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