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Weeping and gnashing of teeth

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:00 am
I am hoping that in a couple of months that a large majority will begin to have buyers remorse. In the meantime, I really do think the dems need to keep emphasizing how dangerous it is to inject religion into government. We need to stay on message just like the republicans do, only in the other direction. It is not enough to just talk with people in the east and west coast who believe like we do and just roll our eyes at those poor people out in boondocks who buy into Jerry fawell crap. Those people are voting people and we need to reach them and tell them that religion is a private personal matter between you and your God and if you want to continue to have the freedom to worship how you please you must help us to keep religion out of the hands of government. We need to tell them that since government leaders are always changing you never know who is going to be in power and what kind of religious belief they are going to try to enforce if we open up the floodgates of mixing religion and government.

Well, I have done and said about all I can take in one sitting. But is it is enough to give ideas?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:11 am
blacksmithin wrote:
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In the meantime, let's not fall for that passive, national unity, all one nation, koombaya crap. They never did, why should we?


I agree with you, blacksmithin, absolutely about the getting busy. I told myself and everyone else I know that all day yesterday (until they told me to please shut up -- and some didn't say please.)

But I'm not finished feeling sad and angry just yet. The loss is real and I'm still upset about it. I don't think of it as whining, although it's tempting to call it that. Depreciating myself, feeling angry and rushing into action are all tempting methods at a time like this. (These are three of my favorites.) But I think, after a night's sleep, I'll admit extreme disappointment and a sense of loss and a need to talk to others who feel the same.

This doesn't mean I'm not already plotting in my head for the next time. I'm more motivated than ever to stop the movement to force religious beliefs on those of us who do not agree.

But I think this isn't the thread for plotting. Maybe I'll start a new thread for that. And george and the other thread crashers can visit there. I don't think it's too much to ask that we have a thread for the purpose of consoling each other. But it is typical (I just have to say this, naughty me) that these religious fanatics think such activity as mourning and consolation are "childish." It's a fine example of exactly what we have to fight against for the next four years.

Thomas, Soz, FreeDuck and the others have said it very well already. Leave us alone here. We can argue on another thread.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:33 am
In the words of Joe Hill-- Don't mourn. Organize!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:34 am
And here's blacksmithn's "Organize!" thread if you haven't seen it yet, Lola:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38105
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:55 am
Omigosh, Ticomaya was so nice, thanks.

I'm still in shock. It is particularly difficult when you're FROM a blue state and a large majority of the community voted the same. There were no smiles in "Mudville" yesterday.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 10:58 am
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In the words of Joe Hill-- Don't mourn. Organize!


I don't think it's a choice between the two. I'll organize alright. See you on the organization thread.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:10 am
Acquiunk wrote:
Several month ago the CEO of Exon/Mobil was on Charlie Rose (a PBS talking heads show) what was interesting about this guy was that he had an almost religious faith that technology would find more oil. That it was out there and all we had to do was make the correct investments to find it.

These people have their heads in the sand and they are going to take us with them. I have never been so despairing in my life. If you look at the history of warfare as a universal human behavior, in almost all cases the ultimate cause has been over access to a scarce but crucial resource.


You mean you haven't heard the latest news that 'science' has determined that oil is a renewable energy source? You won't find those stories in the 'liberal' media outlets but it's oh so true. They just haven't figured out how many thousands of years it takes oil to replenish itself and whether it can do that faster than we can burn it.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:10 am
Respectfully, I disagree. We can waste time and energy wailing and beating our collective breasts or we can suck it up, put our shoulders to the wheel and get on with the business of taking back our country. Four years will go by in the blink of an eye, time's a'wastin'!
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 11:12 am
Besides, it's only 2 years 'til the midterms. Let's rock 'n roll!
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:05 pm
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Respectfully, I disagree. We can waste time and energy wailing and beating our collective breasts or we can suck it up, put our shoulders to the wheel and get on with the business of taking back our country. Four years will go by in the blink of an eye, time's a'wastin'!


Small point, Blacksmittin, but I can do both. And I can do both better if I'm not trying to pretend I'm not disappointed. I do agree, however that we shouldn't be blaming ourselves and beating our breasts. Greiving the loss and beating our breasts is not the same thing at all. But let's not fight about this. We need to focus our energy on supporting each other and defeating the bad guys. I'm with you on that.


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Montana
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:12 pm
Lola wrote:
blacksmithin wrote:
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In the meantime, let's not fall for that passive, national unity, all one nation, koombaya crap. They never did, why should we?


I agree with you, blacksmithin, absolutely about the getting busy. I told myself and everyone else I know that all day yesterday (until they told me to please shut up -- and some didn't say please.)

But I'm not finished feeling sad and angry just yet. The loss is real and I'm still upset about it. I don't think of it as whining, although it's tempting to call it that. Depreciating myself, feeling angry and rushing into action are all tempting methods at a time like this. (These are three of my favorites.) But I think, after a night's sleep, I'll admit extreme disappointment and a sense of loss and a need to talk to others who feel the same.

This doesn't mean I'm not already plotting in my head for the next time. I'm more motivated than ever to stop the movement to force religious beliefs on those of us who do not agree.

But I think this isn't the thread for plotting. Maybe I'll start a new thread for that. And george and the other thread crashers can visit there. I don't think it's too much to ask that we have a thread for the purpose of consoling each other. But it is typical (I just have to say this, naughty me) that these religious fanatics think such activity as mourning and consolation are "childish." It's a fine example of exactly what we have to fight against for the next four years.

Thomas, Soz, FreeDuck and the others have said it very well already. Leave us alone here. We can argue on another thread.


Bravo Lola. You took the words right out of my mouth. I started a few threads where Kerry supporters could gather and share feelings, but of course the Bush supporters took those over Mad
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Montana
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:16 pm
From what I'm seeing on the news, they say the majority of Bush voters were religous people and gun owners.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:17 pm
Elizabeth Edwards has announced that she has breast cancer.

Not sure when she found out, but how heroic of her to continue as she did. Must have been a rather tough thing to keep up appearences, by both her and her husband.

Will go check out Joe's organize thread now.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:17 pm
Something else I find interesting. Bush's approval ratings were under 48%. Does this mean that 3 million people voted for him while disapproving of the job he's doing?
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Montana
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:20 pm
squinney wrote:
Elizabeth Edwards has announced that she has breast cancer.

Not sure when she found out, but how heroic of her to continue as she did. Must have been a rather tough thing to keep up appearences, by both her and her husband.

Will go check out Joe's organize thread now.


She found out yesterday. This is very sad Crying or Very sad
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:22 pm
Hey, I'm not fightin'. I'm just tryin' to keep the conversation lively! Ha!

I can't feel remorseful for myself, my children and my country and still manage to think straight at the same time. I'm just not a multi-tasker!
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:22 pm
That is sad. I really like her.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:22 pm
FreeDuck, I'd believe that, just from what we've seen here. A lot of people couldn't stand Bush but REALLY couldn't stand Kerry.

Oh, that's awful about Elizabeth Edwards!! I hope she gets through it OK.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:27 pm
Yeah, I see your point. I didn't think much of Kerry when he became the nominee, but the more I learned about him the more I liked him. I guess that wasn't the case for everyone. He really did get smeared.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2004 12:29 pm
Very bad news about Elizabeth Edwards. Double trouble for them.

So sorry.
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