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Weeping and gnashing of teeth

 
 
Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:31 am
I hereby declare this the self-pity thread. Kerry supporters only (others can watch but are not allowed to gloat), feel free to vent your frustration, whine, pout, cry out loud, accuse Republicans of election rigging, and pre-mourn 4 more years of absolute Republican control.

I'll start. What the f?!? Are we doomed to 20 years of single party politics?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:31 am
Doomed! Doomed I say!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:35 am
Oh thank you I need this.

Can I ask for conservatives reading to just allow us this one thread to say whatever we dang well please? We'll vent and say things that probably wouldn't hold up in court but we'll save the more modulated stuff for other threads.

Here's my first paranoid election rigging foray -- what if the exit polls were RIGHT, and the accursed Diebold machines were rigged? Exit polls go by what people actually say directly.

I had a bit of an argument when I voted with the poll worker who seemed rather disdainful that I wanted some sort of a paper trail. No paper trail! If there's fraud, how do we know?

(This is all Ohio.)
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:37 am
I was thinking the same thing. I started to say something in the other thread when foxfyre said she smelled a rat. I wanted to say, so do I, and its name is Diebold! But I don't have any reason to really believe that.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:41 am
Yeah. I know.

<quiet>

Do you think this could be the beginning of a three-party system? I really think moderate Republicans and conservatives will part ways. I could see that turning into, Conservatives, Moderates, and Liberals.

I SO wish we had some kind of protest vote/ runoff/ whatever situation like Oz.

So, like, Liberals could vote Liberal and then specify that their vote goes to the Moderates if Liberals lose. Etc.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:44 am
Same here. I am very much dreading this absolute control of the government by one party and I really hope it spawns a viable, moderate third party. The Democrats almost have to abandon the party at this point because they've been so stigmatized by the negative campaigns and they're inability to win. Same people, different name could work.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:47 am
The odd disparity between the exit polls and the actual vote count was commented on last night , at least on PBS by a panel of professional pollsters who were one of the election night commentator groups. I found the comments of a republican pollsters to be revealing. He said he felt ashamed for his profession in that for a second time the exit polls had predicted one result and the vote count had produced another and speculated what was going wrong. I won't go into his explanation, it was long , technical and I'm not certain I understood it all. But I too find this odd. A technique that worked well for many years has suddenly failed, twice.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:49 am
The lack of paper trail really sticks in my craw. No way to verify.

There has to be a better system.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:50 am
I just saw that Ticomaya started a parallel thread -- that's cool. Each side can focus and then be more congenial on other threads.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:51 am
Anger, denial, bargaining, .... acceptance
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:52 am
Hey, george, a little respect? FreeDuck asked in the first post, I reiterated. Ticomaya has his own thread for you guys.

Say whatever you want elsewhere. Leave us one thread.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:54 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Anger, denial, bargaining, .... acceptance


<Eddie Murphy voice> GHET OUHT!
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:55 am
Big Hugs to you all - I may be disappointed on this side of the Atlantic (and fearful for the world at large) but you guys have to put up with the village idiot on economic issues too...a sad day!
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the prince
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:57 am
I am really horrified and sad - 4 more years of Bush.

Check out news.bbc.co.uk - and check out that smirk on his face

Gawd !! (or is there one ??)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:59 am
I don't think I'll be able to stomach looking at him.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:59 am
kitchenpete wrote:
but you guys have to put up with the village idiot on economic issues too...a sad day!


The "village idiot" or more accurately one of the interest backing him, is attempting to reconstruct the economy of the late 19th early 20th century. Look at society in the western world before the First World War. That is their goal.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:03 am
Do I hear a dirge playing? People singing "Swing low sweet chariot"? Sorry couldn't help it.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:04 am
Gawd, do you people have any class?

Shall this be a referendum, see how many Bush supporters can't avoid gloating here vs. how many Kerry supporters say something on Ticomaya's thread?
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:15 am
I'll tell you about something I saw in Brooklyn, NY, about 12 months ago.

In a shop window was a gold torso with burgundy velvet underpants. On the underpants was embroidered the following:

"MY BUSH WOULD MAKE A BETTER PRESIDENT".

Laugh/Cry - I don't know!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:16 am
Now the weeping really starts. Literally, I've been pretty sanguine thus far.

Dammit, dammit, dammit.

Quote:
AP: Kerry Calls Bush to Concede Presidency




1 minute ago



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By CALVIN WOODWARD and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) won a second term from a divided and anxious nation, his promise of steady, strong wartime leadership trumping John Kerry (news - web sites)'s fresh-start approach to Iraq (news - web sites) and joblessness. After a long, tense night of vote counting, the Democrat called Bush Wednesday to concede Ohio and the presidency, The Associated Press learned.
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