revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 04:26 pm
@McGentrix,
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 07:39 pm
@revelette1,
Why do you continue to converse with lieman? He wouldent recognize the truth if it bit him on the ass.
layman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 08:11 pm
According to Fox, this goes beyond Susie Rice, she wasn't in charge of the operation, and the intelligence agencies are stonewalling congressional attempts to obtain information:

Quote:
Lawmakers probing the surveillance of key officials in the Trump campaign and administration say the intelligence agencies now nominally under the president’s control are stonewalling efforts to get to the bottom of who revealed names and leaked protected information to the press.

Multiple lawmakers and investigators for the panel told Fox News the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency - all agencies in position to aid the probe – are not cooperating. “Our requests are simply not being answered,” said one House Intelligence committee source about the lack of responsiveness.

Any information that will help find the wide extent on the unmasking and surveillance is purposely not being provided,” a Senate source said.

Rice isn’t the only Obama official implicated in the Trump team surveillance scandal. Multiple sources insist she was part of a group involved at the highest levels and was not calling the shots.

Sources within the NSA said they are watching the investigation closely, with one telling Fox News, “A number of people saw a lot of very questionable stuff. [The Obama administration was] using national assets and intelligence for politics.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/lawmakers-say-intel-agencies-stonewalling-on-surveillance-probe.html

I could definitely see Clapper being in the thick of it. Looks like this "cancer" could spread rapidly, eh?
layman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 08:39 pm
@layman,
Elsewhere I saw a report indicating that Rice was actually a tool, who was being told to request the unmasking of particular reports by the NSA. Apparently they didn't want to expose themselves to any risks by doing it themselves, and wanted to use her as a patsy.
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layman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 08:51 pm
This judge says that, because incidentally collected communications of U.S. citizens are given "top secret" classification, Rice could be guilty of "espionage." Some other interesting comments made in this clip, too:

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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 09:51 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
Rice had better seek immunity now before something more damning pops up.

For what, doing her job? The warrant was about investigating Russian banks run by their intelligence agencies, which Trump has been dealing with for years. If there was ever any doubt that those Russian banks and their contacts to people in the American government needed investigation, it was dispelled when Jared Kushner-whom Trump is putting in charge of most of his domestic and foreign policy-was personally visiting the head of a Russian bank trained by the KGB. And then a few months ago Trump appointed Wilbur Ross, who a few months ago was one of the heads of a Cyprus bank that was used by Russia for massive money laundering schemes, as Secretary of Commerce. That's not even mentioning Michael Flynn, Trump's national security advisor, who was fresh off his Russia Today TV show and back on Putin's payroll for various appearances in praise of Vladimir the Great.

Thank God somebody was investigating-this whole White House crew is tied to Russia sixteen different ways.
Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 10:03 pm
@layman,
Quote layman:
Quote:
According to Fox, this goes beyond Susie Rice, she wasn't in charge of the operation,

"According to Fox" says it all. And there was no White House operation to get Trump. Trump has been dealing with Russian banks run by Russian intelligence operatives for years-there's your "operation". Trump's son in law Jared Kushner went to visit a KGB trained bank officer a short time ago and won't give details. Right now Jared is in Iraq, talking to the Iraqi government and Iraqi Kurds-he's the head of the delegation. He's 36 years old and his sole business experience is heading a hedge fund he inherited from his father. However, he had help. Trump sent the guy who he brought to Washington as his personal bodyguard along to help Jared. Not with bodyguarding-as a full partner in negotiations with the Iraqi government. I'm not making this up.

By the way, the so-called "Secretary of State", Rex Tillerson hasn't visited Iraq yet. Rex is back in Washington while Jared and his father-in-law's bodyguard conduct the meetings with the head of the country that we have troops in.

Trump's Administration is not The New Deal. It's not The New Frontier. It's Abbot and Costello Meet The KGB.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 10:19 pm
@Blickers,
Ho many times do you see the term "The White House wants Congress to investigate..."? Why do you suppose it is that the White House would need to ask the legislative branch to investigate something?

Investigations are done by investigative bodies like the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, various other lettered organizations. But, not by the White House. They don't investigate stuff.

Investigations & Oversight
Quote:
The Constitution says nothing about congressional investigations and oversight, but the authority to conduct investigations is implied since Congress possesses “all legislative powers.” The Supreme Court determined that the framers intended for Congress to seek out information when crafting or reviewing legislation. George Mason of Virginia said at the Federal Convention that Members of Congress “are not only Legislators but they possess inquisitorial powers. They must meet frequently to inspect the Conduct of the public offices.”

Origins

The constitutional framers assumed that Congress would conduct investigations as the British House of Commons conducted them. James Wilson of Pennsylvania, a future Supreme Court Justice and Convention delegate, wrote in a 1774 essay that members of the Commons were considered “grand inquisitors of the realm. The proudest ministers of the proudest monarchs have trembled at their censures; and have appeared at the bar of the house, to give an account of their conduct, and ask pardon for their faults.” When the U.S. House convened in 1789, it established an early set of select committees, such as Rules and Ways and Means, to structure the legislative process including investigations.


The National Security Adviser, while having the power to unmask American Citizens, has no business investigating anything. Not the job of that position. So, yeah, she should get an immunity deal soon before more stuff pops up.
Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 10:19 pm
@layman,
Quote layman to revellette:
Quote:
Heh, there ya go again. I don't care if you want to read it, or not.

Rather harsh, don't you think? I mean, you've just spent two pages talking about how the US intelligence agencies and the FBI musn't DARE consider a FISA warrant investigating ties to a then-candidate for President who's been up to his neck in involvement with Russian banks run by the Russian intelligence agencies for years.

I mean, at least you could have given the link to someone who is even interested in looking at your fairy tale.
layman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 10:24 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Well, we will just wait and see if you angle goes anywhere. Rolling Eyes


Many neutral commentators couldn't help but notice that the left wing press is trying hard to ignore and/or bury this story. Don Lemon at CNN expressly said he wouldn't even address it. The NYT had a short article on page 22, I'm told. A couple of the MSM networks gave 0 seconds of time to covering the Rice revelations. A couple of others spent a little time on it, but is was entirely devoted to defending Rice and assuring their listeners that she had done absolutely nothing wrong.

They will certainly give you, and your cheese-eating ilk, Rev, who listen to nothing but left-wing outlets, the false impression that the story will go nowhere. And you'll believe it. And you'll post here repeating all the half-truths you've been given as complete fact, and calling all the facts which were withheld from you by your sources "lies."

It may be comfortable living in your little bubble, but it aint reality. And you'll never know how or why any judge and jury could possibly think any way other than the way you've been trained to think. You will live in perpetual MORAL OUTRAGE at the fools who can't see the (your) truth.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 10:32 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
Investigations are done by investigative bodies like the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, various other lettered organizations. But, not by the White House. They don't investigate stuff.....
....The National Security Adviser, while having the power to unmask American Citizens, has no business investigating anything. Not the job of that position. So, yeah, she should get an immunity deal soon before more stuff pops up.

LOL! How many fact-finding commissions have you heard Presidents personally appoint to come back to him with information for the formulation of policy? Susan Rice was well within her rights to ask for the identity of the person talking on the wiretap to the Russian ambassador, especially since the individual is the person who might be advising the next president on national security!

By the way, what the hell was the Russian ambassador, Kisylak, doing at the Republican National Convention? Passing out down payments for future services rendered to Russia?
layman
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 10:38 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
By the way, what the hell was the Russian ambassador, Kisylak, doing at the Republican National Convention? Passing out down payments for future services rendered to Russia?


I LOVE conspiracy theories. Tell me the TRUE story about 9/11, will ya!?
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 10:48 pm
Hmmmm
Quote:
Russia’s ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, has now come up in several communications with President Trump’s associates, officials say, as administration officials look into contact between his team and Russia.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions, for instance, has come under fire after it became known Thursday night that he had two contacts with Kislyak during the presidential campaign, Justice Department officials confirmed to CBS News, following an initial report by The Washington Post. Sessions didn’t disclose his two conversations with Kisylak during his Senate confirmation process and it’s unclear what they discussed in their private conversation.

“Well, I have not met with any Russians at any time to discuss any political campaign,” Sessions said Thursday. “And those remarks are unbelievable to me and are false. And I don’t have anything else to say about that.”

The Russian ambassador also came up in the probe involving the president’s first national security adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, in which officials discovered that they had a series of conversations before Mr. Trump’s inauguration about U.S. sanctions against Russia last month. The revelations led to Flynn’s resignation after White House officials discovered that Flynn had misled Vice President Mike Pence about his contact with the ambassador.


Trump's boys just can't keep away from Russian ambassadors and intelligence officials who have their hands on big money, can they?

So tell me-what the hell was the Russian ambassador doing at the Republican Convention? You ask a lot of questions-how about some answers?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 10:52 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

By the way, what the hell was the Russian ambassador, Kisylak, doing at the Republican National Convention? Passing out down payments for future services rendered to Russia?


Probably getting to know who the new administration will be.

What were Hillary's people doing talking to him? They didn't even win yet they had several meetings with him. What do you suppose that was about?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 5 Apr, 2017 11:42 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix, quoting the Wikipedia entry on the National Security Advisor, wrote:

The APNSA is supported by the National Security Council staff that produces research and briefings for the APNSA to review and present, either to the National Security Council or directly to the President.

This along with the fact that the National Security Advisor (NSA) has the right to request the revelation of the identities of American citizens pursuant to the research and briefings presented directly to the President indicates that the NSA has broad powers in regard to the information they're privy to.

It's preposterous to suggest that the NSA should seek immunity for exercising the power vested in the position.
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layman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2017 06:08 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

I mean, at least you could have given the link to someone who is even interested in looking at your fairy tale.


Heh. She was given the link. Like you, she's not the least bit interested in looking at it.

Leave it to a ideological cheese-eater to call Federal law enacted to protect civil rights a "fairy tale" when their party violates civil rights, eh?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2017 06:20 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Heh. She was given the link. Like you, she's not the least bit interested in looking at it.

Leave it to a ideological cheese-eater to call Federal law enacted to protect civil rights a "fairy tale" when their party violates civil rights, eh?


Holy **** dude, you nailed it right on the head with that. I can't even imagine the reaction from these very same liberals if Condoleezza Rice tried pulling this crap during the Bush admin?!
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2017 10:53 am
@RABEL222,
I'm actually through, they ain't said nothing new in a while now just repeating the same irrelevant information as though it means anything.
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Blickers
 
  4  
Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2017 11:05 am
@McGentrix,
Quote Blickers:
Quote:
So tell me-what the hell was the Russian ambassador doing at the Republican Convention?


Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
Probably getting to know who the new administration will be.

What were Hillary's people doing talking to him? They didn't even win yet they had several meetings with him. What do you suppose that was about?


Hah Hah! The only person saying there were meetings with Hillary's people with the Russians is a Russian spokesman! And he's not even really claiming it. Here's what Russian spokesman Dmiti Peskov, the source of your allegation, says:
Quote:
The Kremlin’s spokesman sought to dismiss controversy over links between Russia and Donald Trump’s administration by claiming Hillary Clinton’s team had also “probably” met with the Russian ambassador during the election campaign.

Dmitry Peskov declined to name any individuals in an interview with CNN in which he said America was “self-humiliating” in insisting that Russia had intervened to help Donald Trump get elected.

Source

Beautiful. The Trump team is now being investigated for its links to Russia and its possible cooperation with Russia to affect the election the way Putin wanted it to go, and for information on this you turn to an official Russian spokesman. Who doesn't even say it happened, he said it "probably" happened, and gave no dates or even names of the Clinton people who allegedly did this. The Russians certainly have you trained well.

PS: Meeting with the Russian ambassador before the election, in an open, upfront manner, to talk about US-Russian issues might be questionable, but it's not even the really objectionable part. It's that the people Trump keeps appointing to Cabinet positions keep meeting the Russian ambassador and them try to DENY it later. That's the stinkbomb.

That is alarming even if you don't add in the fact that Trump's former campaign manager spent many years working for a Kremlin front in Ukraine, was on the list of people who got paid off millions for being part of that Kremlin front organization and has admitted working as a lobbyist for the Kremlin to get the US to pass more Putin-friendly bills and regulations. Not to mention Trump's longstanding relationship with Russian banks run by Russian intelligence operatives.

And that's not all. The Trump-Russia entanglements go on and on. And for clarification on it, you decide to trust official Kremlin spokesmen. Unbelievable.





McGentrix
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 6 Apr, 2017 11:54 am
@Blickers,
Yep, Keep that investigation going. Like I said, I am behind it 100%.

Won't be long until the NSA logs come out showing Rice probably never asked for a single unmasking until July 2016. Then, she went and looked for dirt on Trump and his campaign team. That got "leaked" out and all of it is VERY illegal.

Just wait, this may go all the way back to Obama.
 

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