Usama Bin Ladin goes to bat for John Kerry. Why?

Piffka wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
By the time he got the news, both towers had been struck. How did he leave "50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone." It makes no sense.

I believe you are incorrect on this... do I need to look it up?

Bush had been told about the first tower in them limo on his way to the school. My recollection is he said that he assumed it was an accident. He was told about the second tower while sitting in the classroom.

No need to look it up. We're talking about the time he got the news of the second plane hitting the second tower. That's what UBL/OBL was talking about.

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I think if Bush wanted to go after Osama Bin Laden...and Al Qaeda...he would have done it...instead of squandering personnel, supplies, money...and considerable sympathy and empathy for the United States...by attacking Iraq.

Bush is a joke...and his administration is a joke.

Anyone who claims to be voting for him because he will be tougher on terrorism...is just plain deluding him/herself.

Bush has done more for terrorism than Osama Bin Laden, Mummar Quadaffi, and Saddam Hussein combined.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

sozobe wrote:
No, it's not idiocy, O'Bill. Osama's thing has been to paint the US -- whomever is at the helm -- as a boogeyman coming to wipe out Islam and take their oil. Bush helped take that paranoid rhetoric and make it seem somewhat realistic. That's quite a recruitment tool.

It's arguable, so if you want to argue it, go for it. But it's not idiotic.
Sozobe... do you honestly believe Usama would rather prolong the fight than win it? He strikes me as intelligent and highly motivated man who's chosen what he must feel is the only possibly viable vehicle (terrorism) to advance his goals... not some idiotic barbarian who's sole desire is to promote opposition so he has something to fight against. Please hurt me more because I like fighting back? Sorry darlin... That is an idiotic proposition.

I think from his perspectiv, prolonging it is the only way to win it. Clearly his little slapdash army isn't going to defeat that of a super power. He's shown himself to be a patient man. If it takes 10 or 20 more years for us to deplete ourselves of our resources by fighting 100 different enemies, I think that's probably okay with him.

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With his munitions supply topped up he's sounding pretty smug.

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I think it is idiocy to assume that Bin Laden is going to bat for Kerry. If we had another president in office, do you think he would be praising him?

Have you spoken to Bin Laden? Do you know him personally? Why don't you tell us what his next move is, since you have Bin Laden all figured out?

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I think he's made his one and only move. Now he's just sitting back and waiting for us to self-destruct.

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Ticomayo -- How can you be sure what is in the mind of Usama? As the guilty party, Usama would expect the president to be reacting to the first attack. Why not? It wasn't exactly a sneak raid. The first plane had left its approved route many minutes before. Usama, as many other folks have, is questioning why we were so slow to react.

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Hmm - very biased presentation Bill.

Do you really think he was gonna compliment ANY incumbent?

Sheeesh.

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Ken Robinson on CNN just translated/condensed the entire tape message to; Bin Ladin saying "I'm tanned, rested and ready. Your actions have consequences. Now you have to deal with me.

Freeduck, Bush's advance into the ME cannot help his plight to get us to keep our nose out. That just doesn't make sense.

Kicky, if his words make Bush look foolish, which he clearly tried to illustrate, that is going to bat for Kerry. That's practically the beginning and the end of the Kerry strategy if you haven't noticed. Idea

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Freeduck, Bush's advance into the ME cannot help his plight to get us to keep our nose out. That just doesn't make sense.

Kicky, if his words make Bush look foolish, which he clearly tried to illustrate, that is going to bat for Kerry. That's practically the beginning and the end of the Kerry strategy if you haven't noticed.

Maybe we misjudge his goals, O'B. I don't think he was surprised that we attacked Iraq, do you?

But, thinking it over, this might end up better for Kerry (though no way am I going to agree that he's somehow helping Kerry on purpose). At first I thought that the mere sight of him would send American voters running into GWB's lap. Now I think it might be an unfriendly reminder that Bush didn't finish his task.

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O'Bills point I think

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I'm agreeing, in that case, just not that UBL is doing it for the express purpose of getting Kerry elected.

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Freeduck: His mere presence, nice and comfortable, is a suggestion of Bush's incompetence. The timing couldn't be coincidence. If he didn't believe his actions could motivate Americans; why would he bother doing anything? I suspect Americans will see through it and refuse to bend to his attempt at manipulation. I don't think anyone will change their mind over it. But his list of Bush slights, and the timing of the release, leaves me a pretty clear impression of his motivation. That's how I see it, so far anyway. I'll be interested to read the entire 18 minutes transcript. Is it out yet?

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Well, it is unlike the head of Iran's Security Council saying that Bush's re-election would be in Iran's best interests. Usama did say that neither Kerry nor Bush could save us.

I know you don't like Kerry, O'Bill, but if Usama were going to bat for Kerry, why would he be so mealy-mouthed about it? Really. He seems free to say whatever he feels like. What is odd, to me, is the Usama identifies himself with Lebanon and Palestine, despite no true ties. He is diabolical at finding a crowd and rushing to the front to proclaim himself is their leader.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Kicky, if his words make Bush look foolish, which he clearly tried to illustrate, that is going to bat for Kerry. That's practically the beginning and the end of the Kerry strategy if you haven't noticed.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever with this one.

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O'Bill, I think I agree with you. I would like to see the transcript too, though, before I'd be completely convinced. (I haven't seen it out yet)

It's a hell of a gamble on his part. On the one hand, what you're saying is true and his image is a sign of Bush's incompetence. But on the other hand, in this country we do have a tendency to rally around the incumbent when we feel threatened. When I first heard there was a video out, I immediately thought, oh boy, this is going to help Bush. I see your point now.

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Neither John Kerry nor OBl need to make George Bush look like a fool, he's doing a superb job of that on his own. His stump speech begins to resemble the pronouncements of the former Iraqi Minister of Information. He says things like :"Things are improving everyday." "Freedom is on the march" "The Iraqi people are safer than ever before." One wonders if perhaps when his memoirs are written for him if some semblance of the horrific reality this man and his minions have created will have sunk in.

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Joe Nation wrote:

Neither John Kerry nor OBl need to make George Bush look like a fool, he's doing a superb job of that on his own.

This is true, Joe, but both benefit from his looking like a fool, regardless of how easy it is to accomplish. Bush is certainly less friendly to Muslim beliefs than a reasonable expectation of Kerry will be.

Joe Nation wrote:

His stump speech begins to resemble the pronouncements of the former Iraqi Minister of Information.

I miss him. That guy was a riot! Laughing

Piffka, if came right out and endorsed Kerry, we'd probably rebel at the thought of him leading us to a decision. I don't believe he likes Kerry any more than he does Bush. But it's reasonable that he would expect less trouble in the ME from him. Isn't that why ya'll like him?

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I like John Kerry because I think he will rebuild trust in America and I also think he understands that our country should make decisions based on science, not Texas Baptist beliefs. <since you asked>

Frankly, I think that anything Usama says is bound to be a shove for Bush, since the frightened sheep will remember there is another wolf that has not been caught.

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hate to admit it, but its true, and in addition, according to my sources at the dnc, the kerry campaign has smuggled bin laden in the country from canada and he is about to cast a vote for kerry illegally in cleveland, ohio.

on the other hand, bin laden mentioned why he attacked the US and oddly explained why it would happen again, with the implication that if the US left him alone, he would leave the americans alone.

that takes gall. he kills 3,000 americans then says if we continue to hit back he will attack again?

what gives with that? sounds like he is hoping that we will enter negotiations with his organization and agree to some sort of peace treaty. if that is true, then bush's war on terra' has been successful and bin laden is on the run and is trying to cut the the best deal he can for himself. the fact that he is saying it to both sides indicates that he believes regardless of wins next week that either bush or kerry will carry the fight to al quaeda and he will suffer.

it appears that bush's anti-terrorist operations is effective, yet bin laden thinks that kerry will also carry out a similar policy.

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