100 FACTS AND 1 OPINION

The Iraq war was a war of choice. No one invaded the US. The WMDs were just an assumption.

How f*cking incredibly ignorant to call it defense.

North Korea HAS weapons and HAS threatened to use them. Bush ignores the situation. One hell of a leader, isn't he? If the Iraq war was choice, I guess we'll be attacking North Korea next.

Are you saying you would argue with me about whether the Iraq War was a "war of choice"?

Ticomaya wrote:

Are you saying you would argue with me about whether the Iraq War was a "war of choice"?

Nah. You're entitled to your opinion. Sorry it's wrong.

The Iraq war was a war of choice. No one invaded the US. The WMDs were just an assumption.

gunga, if your country is invaded you clearly have no choice but to go to war. If, on the other hand, you invade a country halfway across the globe, who's military and infrastructure have been weakened by years of economic sanctions, it is clearly your choice.

Whatever bad deeds and bad plans Saddam might have had, there was no 'imminent' danger to befall us if we did not invade. Further, many would speculate that we actually controlled more of the country before the invasion.

It was a bad idea, and a poorly executed one at that. There were more reasons not to go than there were to go. People believe what they want to believe about whether it makes us safer -- that's hard to ascertain, but there's no denying that it was a war of choice.

And I agree with p, on the value of your big chicken and references to France.

There are basically 2 reasons why people vote for Bush:

1) They are Christians and are against gay marriage (or some equally non-important religious reason)

2) They have no clue. A new study proves that Bush supporters have much less clue about the truth than Democrats:

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A new study by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) shows that supporters of President Bush hold wildly inaccurate views about the world. For example, "a large majority [72%] of Bush supporters believe that before the war Iraq had weapons of mass destruction." Most Bush supporters [57%] also believe that the recently released report by Charles Duelfer, the administration's hand-picked weapons inspector, concluded Iraq either had WMD or a major program for developing them. In fact, the report concluded "Saddam Hussein did not produce or possess any weapons of mass destruction for more than a decade before the U.S.-led invasion" and the U.N. inspection regime had "curbed his ability to build or develop weapons."

According to the study, 75% Bush supporters also believe "Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda." Most Bush supporters [55%] believe that was the conclusion of the 9/11 commission. In fact, the 9/11 commission concluded there was no "collaborative relationship" between al-Qaeda and Iraq.

Bush supporters also hold inaccurate views about world public opinion of the war in Iraq and a range of Bush's foreign policy positions.

Here is the poll: http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Report10_21_04.pdf

Here is some info about it: http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df10222004.html

I'd love to hear Bush supporters explain their rationale that Bush is doing a good job of protecting us from terrorism. Anyone?

The Bushies' campaign pitch follows their usual backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe, you should re-elect us to make you safer. Because we haven't caught Osama in three years, you need us to catch Osama in the next four years. Because we didn't bother to secure explosives in Iraq, you can count on us to make sure those explosives aren't used against you.

The above is an excerpt from this: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/opinion/31dowd.html?hp

The Bushies' campaign pitch follows their usual backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe, you should re-elect us to make you safer

Um .... total number of terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 = ZERO.

Let me know if you need anything more.

Um .... total number of terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 = ZERO.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Um .... total number of terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 = ZERO.

Let me know if you need anything more.

I need something more. You're saying that because nothing was attempted, no attack took place, and Bush gets the credit? That's less than default.

I'd love to hear Bush supporters explain their rationale that Bush is doing a good job of protecting us from terrorism. Anyone?

Tico-mayo-san, I'm not going to try to convince you of anything.